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Post by Guest on Mar 25, 2023 11:09:54 GMT
The fact that folk on this board are actually taking about guys from the kestrels being played as a fourth line or on regular ****fs as a solution shows how absolutely clueless they are. Stick out a line of SNL players in the elite and they'd give up goals every shift. The SNL is absolutely miles off even the bottom end of the eihl. And this idea of all the talent who could have made it leaving because of lack off ice time and cos Todd hates locals and getting shifts elsewhere is rubbish too. Not a single one of them has done that. They don't get ice time because they aren't good enough. End of. It's not the 80s or 90s any more. The step up from junior or snl to the flyers is bigger than its ever been. Thats not a dig at the guys playing junior or SNL. But they arent looking to join a 3 / 7 /8 import league. So are you telling me there is no one in snl that has the ability to play limited shifts in a 4th line like Scott Jamieson, Chad Smith, Garry Simpson? Remember only talking about a couple if forwards out in with more experienced centre, maybe one d man like Marty Simpson, Liam Danskin again with more experienced partner? Reece came from Snl last season Kris Inglis at Dundee was direct from Snl. Aye, that what I'm saying. The gulf is huge. Say what you want about Todd as a coach but its not his fault the eihl standard has got so much better and that gulf has got so much bigger. Reece didnae just come from the snl. He played nihl down south too. Scottish teams have it much harder bridging the gap because theres no league like that up here.
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Post by Guest on Mar 25, 2023 11:39:52 GMT
I'm sorry mate but I totally disagree, I have an interest in junior hockey I won't disclose but if you can't see that boys like the Simpsons have all the attributes along with Chad and Reece, ascott Jamieson, Liam Danskin, Caly Robertson, all had the ability whilst playing Snl, all should have got to flyers training and I guarantee there would be enough out of those and others to get limited shifts at flyers. Not to score multiple goals but to give players a rest. SNL is really poor you are totally correct but all of these boys caught at the right age have the potential. How do we explain Tommy Muir, Wando, Torch, Gunny Hamish? All played a poor level none played GB 21s, but with the right coaching and right players with them some performed well. Dundee appear to be able to do it, Kris Inglis? Ben Brown, McBean, McCluskey who ended up at GB training. The best players at snl all have potential and need to be caught early before they stagnate, but to say there's none is very short sighted.
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Post by Gist on Mar 25, 2023 12:42:23 GMT
I would also add that I suspect that Reece would not have been getting a game if it wasn't through necessity, it's cost cutting, they saw it as having no choice. He is small for this league something we all moan about with flyers recruitment but hey presto somehow he is doing ok. Liam Danskin managed to get games for Glasgow played against all the top table teams I went along to watch a couple games in Braehead, he did nothing fancy kept it simple, didn't get huge amounts of shifts in some games more in others but did not look out of place. Unless they get a chance we will never know.
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Post by Guesty on Mar 25, 2023 12:48:16 GMT
I have to say the two biggest talents that did not make it to flyers for whatever reason in the Elite era from Kirkcaldy are Tyler Plews and Marty Simpson. Simpson in particular for me had the size and ability to play elite. I understand there were other factors but both from Snl and more than capable.
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Post by flyerdown on Mar 25, 2023 13:12:15 GMT
Beyond anything else, I will always refuse to believe that with a full junior system in place that the system couldn't over a timespan of 13 years produce at least 1 player who could ice EIHL 4th line minutes. No fan here is asking for or expecting Conor McDavids from it, we'd be happy enough with 3/4 guys to ice 4th line minutes to keep the imports fresh and their performance level at their best for when it really matters in games.
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Post by greyhound on Mar 25, 2023 13:31:15 GMT
I wonder if we think any of the forwards mentioned are just as good if not better than the likes of Anderson from last season and Bafaro this season.Certainly with Reece and Bafaro there's not much in it. Flyers appear happy to develop Canadian youngsters and don't try at KIHC level. There is no interaction or contribution with the juniors and they reaping what they have sewn. Nothing.
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Post by Guest on Mar 25, 2023 13:59:26 GMT
Plenty of delusion on here as usual.
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Post by greyhound on Mar 25, 2023 14:02:11 GMT
Really? Can you expand? Having had involvement with Fife juniors firstly as a player then a coach and a parent for now about 30 years, I'd love to hear what's delusional.
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Post by Guest on Mar 25, 2023 14:50:08 GMT
Really? Can you expand? Having had involvement with Fife juniors firstly as a player then a coach and a parent for now about 30 years, I'd love to hear what's delusional. Thinking that Cochrane is as good as Bafaro. Thinking any of the SNL guys mentioned in this thread apart from Reece are good enough for the eihl. Listen I'm not knocking these guys or the junior development system which does a great job. I've been involved with lots of junior hockey over a long time too. It isnt there fault that a 14 import league is too big a jump up from the SNL. There not bad players. But when the likes of Wands, Muir etc were breaking in, it was an 8 import league. With 14 imports the level is just to high if theres not something in between. Same reason very few Brits made the superleague back in the day and the ones that did came through a 3 import league as a stepping stone. The eihl is built around full time pro hockey and to suit a very small number of arena teams with rich owners who can bankroll a level of hockey beyond what the other six teams can do. Everyone else is just making up numbers. Run a 9/10 import league and theres space for guys like Jamieson, Anderson, Simpson etc. But the big teams dinnae want that. Fife are stuck in a league they don't really want to be in but its the only game in town. Until is blows up like the superleague we're gonna be stuck scrabbling round the bottom half hoping to make the playoffs and get a bit lucky in knockout games against the big teams.
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Post by thebluewellies on Mar 25, 2023 15:44:47 GMT
Really? Can you expand? Having had involvement with Fife juniors firstly as a player then a coach and a parent for now about 30 years, I'd love to hear what's delusional. Thinking that Cochrane is as good as Bafaro. Thinking any of the SNL guys mentioned in this thread apart from Reece are good enough for the eihl. Listen I'm not knocking these guys or the junior development system which does a great job. I've been involved with lots of junior hockey over a long time too. It isnt their fault that a 14 import league is too big a jump up from the SNL. They’re not bad players. But when the likes of Wands, Muir etc were breaking in, it was an 8 import league. With 14 imports the level is just too high if theres not something in between. Same reason very few Brits made the superleague back in the day and the ones that did came through a 3 import league as a stepping stone. The eihl is built around full time pro hockey and to suit a very small number of arena teams with rich owners who can bankroll a level of hockey beyond what the other six teams can do. Everyone else is just making up numbers. Run a 9/10 import league and theres space for guys like Jamieson, Anderson, Simpson etc. But the big teams dinnae want that. Fife are stuck in a league they don't really want to be in but its the only game in town. Until is blows up like the superleague we're gonna be stuck scrabbling round the bottom half hoping to make the playoffs and get a bit lucky in knockout games against the big teams. A very sensible post, one thing I disagree with is that I feel we could be a mid table team along with your Manchester’s, Coventry, and any of the stadium teams having a bad season like Nottingham.
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Post by greyhound on Mar 25, 2023 15:51:44 GMT
Well all I would say to you is to write off all the boys in the snl I think is short sighted. If boys like Cochrane can come through and play GB 21s alongside the best the whole country has to offer, then surely caught at the right time, with the right coaching they have a chance, otherwise we will never have another Kris Inglis, Sam McCluskey, Reece Cochrane again. Which to me doesn't make sense. I think there's a common consensus on here and most folk I speak to that Scott Jamieson did have something about him, he should have been given a better chance, another snl boy. I can only hope the coaches change their attitude and give them a go, what have they got to lose?
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Mar 25, 2023 19:49:36 GMT
The reason snl buys not getting a chance is simple the coaches don't trust them never have never will, and it's been like that since the brits that were playing when we joined this league all stopped it moved on , make a mistake benched for weeks but if an import makes a mistake or doesn't try he gets back on next shift that would put you off right there The reason is they are not good enough to get a regular shift ..name one from the kestrels who could step up and slot in
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Post by flyerdown on Mar 25, 2023 23:08:16 GMT
The reason is they are not good enough to get a regular shift ..name one from the kestrels who could step up and slot in None of them will be, because our coaching team have done naff all with the Kestrels in the 13 years we've been EIHL. If they had done something, we'd have developed a couple of players by now able to fill in on the 4th line at the very least, maybe a really good player could have done some PK minutes. Alas none of that work was done, all those years wasted.
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Post by coloradoflyer01 on Mar 26, 2023 8:03:00 GMT
The reason is they are not good enough to get a regular shift ..name one from the kestrels who could step up and slot in None of them will be, because our coaching team have done naff all with the Kestrels in the 13 years we've been EIHL. If they had done something, we'd have developed a couple of players by now able to fill in on the 4th line at the very least, maybe a really good player could have done some PK minutes. Alas none of that work was done, all those years wasted. Said that as well from the start get the at that time better training, strength and conditioning from a younger age and get them doing things nutritional as well feed the body feed the mind as when they get to kestrels age some of them could have been physically and mentally ready and training with the flyers, but nae why bother giving people a chance, I mean when Todd and hutchy started out in Canada someone had to take chances on them
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Post by Guest on Mar 26, 2023 10:59:12 GMT
The reason snl buys not getting a chance is simple the coaches don't trust them never have never will, and it's been like that since the brits that were playing when we joined this league all stopped it moved on , make a mistake benched for weeks but if an import makes a mistake or doesn't try he gets back on next shift that would put you off right there The reason is they are not good enough to get a regular shift ..name one from the kestrels who could step up and slot in Exactly this. The idea that we should be putting kestrels out to kill penalties is fine if we want to give up powerplay goals all the time, buy these guys are way off the standard needed. Getting them training with the flyers wouldn't be enough to get them there either. We've seen that when they've tried it. They need game time in a league where the standard is between the snl and eihl. Sticking them out to give up goals in the eihl every time they step on the ice isnt the answer. UK hockey is a broken system, especially in Scotland. The only way to make it possible for young Brits to step up is to reduce imports but we know thats not gonna happen.
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