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Post by zamboni on Apr 12, 2024 20:22:19 GMT
You wonder why Coolen didn’t call time out in second when it started to go south
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Post by guest on Apr 12, 2024 20:23:34 GMT
Its not over till its over, but i think al save my pennies on next game
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Post by watcher on Apr 12, 2024 20:23:58 GMT
Some of our plays from behind our own goal were absolutely criminal tonight, leading to at least 3 of Steelers goals.
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Post by newflyer95 on Apr 12, 2024 20:30:14 GMT
FS just remembered I have tickets for Sunday. At least the bar and food queue will be quiet
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Post by Guest on Apr 12, 2024 20:31:28 GMT
Whole team were poor tonight, lots of give aways, couldn't pass to each other, when we went down instead of trying to keep score close started chasing it and gave away more. Some of our big players look a bit tired the last few weeks. I'd say it is a very tall order unless we can get a couple of quick ones, the problem will be not conceding.
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Post by Guest on Apr 12, 2024 20:45:20 GMT
Whole team were poor tonight, lots of give aways, couldn't pass to each other, when we went down instead of trying to keep score close started chasing it and gave away more. Some of our big players look a bit tired the last few weeks. I'd say it is a very tall order unless we can get a couple of quick ones, the problem will be not conceding. Same drivel as usual in here. We didnae play our best but thata cos Steelers didnae let us because they are th best team in the league my miles. Anyone who actually expected us to go to Sheffield and beat them was kidding themselves. Give your heads a wobble lads. Ill be there on Sunday to cheer on the team and thank them for their efforts this year. They deserve that.
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Post by stewartgibson on Apr 12, 2024 20:51:46 GMT
Not one for usually calling out individuals but some perfomances there tonight are absolutely gutless. I’ll start with the coach though, what the hell was the game plan there? We’ve got defencman constantly pinching on every play and giving up odd man rushes, this has been happening for weeks and clearly isnt being addressed. Surely we have to go down there clog up the neutral zone and keep it tight. Individuals Wehrs, Pouteau and Pavlovs have to be called out, wheres the compete and fight for the jersey? This is the ****ing playoffs. Pilon as well, he cant do anything other play physical yet completely refuses to do it yet everyone thinks he’s something special, i dont get it. The tie is most likely done but this doesnt come down to being out skilled, we were completely out worked and for me thats unacceptable especially in a play off game where its do or die. Players not coming ready to play and fight for the jersey. Game comes down to naive coaching and individuals miles off it.
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Post by --G-- on Apr 12, 2024 20:52:50 GMT
Why come on here and read it then guest? The post your own brand of nonsense.
No one expected a win. But we hoped we would have kept it closer than a 5 goal difference.
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Post by guest on Apr 12, 2024 20:56:09 GMT
Thank them for their efforts Lol, mind give them a pat on the back as well
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Post by Gus on Apr 12, 2024 21:00:08 GMT
Not one for usually calling out individuals but some perfomances there tonight are absolutely gutless. I’ll start with the coach though, what the hell was the game plan there? We’ve got defencman constantly pinching on every play and giving up odd man rushes, this has been happening for weeks and clearly isnt being addressed. Surely we have to go down there clog up the neutral zone and keep it tight. Individuals Wehrs, Pouteau and Pavlovs have to be called out, wheres the compete and fight for the jersey? This is the ****ing playoffs. Pilon as well, he cant do anything other play physical yet completely refuses to do it yet everyone thinks he’s something special, i dont get it. The tie is most likely done but this doesnt come down to being out skilled, we were completely out worked and for me thats unacceptable especially in a play off game where its do or die. Players not coming ready to play and fight for the jersey. Game comes down to naive coaching and individuals miles off it. Spot on, we gave them goals. After 1st we were in the game and competing then gave away poor goals, Steelers didn't need much skill to score at least 6 of their goals tonight, not sure how anyone could watch that and think otherwise. And I agree that the plan should have been to keep it tight not to push constantly and leave players unmarked.
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Post by stewartgibson on Apr 12, 2024 21:15:03 GMT
Not one for usually calling out individuals but some perfomances there tonight are absolutely gutless. I’ll start with the coach though, what the hell was the game plan there? We’ve got defencman constantly pinching on every play and giving up odd man rushes, this has been happening for weeks and clearly isnt being addressed. Surely we have to go down there clog up the neutral zone and keep it tight. Individuals Wehrs, Pouteau and Pavlovs have to be called out, wheres the compete and fight for the jersey? This is the ****ing playoffs. Pilon as well, he cant do anything other play physical yet completely refuses to do it yet everyone thinks he’s something special, i dont get it. The tie is most likely done but this doesnt come down to being out skilled, we were completely out worked and for me thats unacceptable especially in a play off game where its do or die. Players not coming ready to play and fight for the jersey. Game comes down to naive coaching and individuals miles off it. positives from the game are the consistency from the same four forwards who have carried us the majority of the year in Lajuenesse, Osterberg, Humitz and Chiodo. Laj and Osterberg really good given Sheffield probably matched their best defensive pairings against them, they looked good a lot of the night barring Osterbergs mistake on goal 8 or 9 i think it was. Humitz be disappointed he never sunk 1 or 2 more tonight but i thought he was our best player all night. Chiodo really good at driving play and playing with confidence, has been superb this second half of the season with adding numbers to his game. Only defenceman with passmarks for me tonight was Giles, thought he was superb. Only one that didnt look like they were skating in concrete.
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Post by Guest on Apr 12, 2024 22:51:57 GMT
Not one for usually calling out individuals but some perfomances there tonight are absolutely gutless. I’ll start with the coach though, what the hell was the game plan there? We’ve got defencman constantly pinching on every play and giving up odd man rushes, this has been happening for weeks and clearly isnt being addressed. Surely we have to go down there clog up the neutral zone and keep it tight. Individuals Wehrs, Pouteau and Pavlovs have to be called out, wheres the compete and fight for the jersey? This is the ****ing playoffs. Pilon as well, he cant do anything other play physical yet completely refuses to do it yet everyone thinks he’s something special, i dont get it. The tie is most likely done but this doesnt come down to being out skilled, we were completely out worked and for me thats unacceptable especially in a play off game where its do or die. Players not coming ready to play and fight for the jersey. Game comes down to naive coaching and individuals miles off it. Spot on, we gave them goals. After 1st we were in the game and competing then gave away poor goals, Steelers didn't need much skill to score at least 6 of their goals tonight, not sure how anyone could watch that and think otherwise. And I agree that the plan should have been to keep it tight not to push constantly and leave players unmarked. To be clear do you actually think the plan was to leave players unmarked? How about giving Sheffield some credit for getting themselves unmarked. They are a bloody good team. Individual mistakes come when guys are tired..guys are tired when they are up against better opposition every shift and getting worn down. Thats what Steelers did. They wore us down. It was close after the first but we couldnae maintain that level when we were chasing the puck so much. Thats what happens when the opposition are better. Making out our guys didnt try or made stupid decisions is doing them a disservice and forgetting about mental errors that come from being ground down. Thats what I saw tonight. Tough to watch but not unexpected at all and it doesnae mean than all of a sudden our players are ***** and the coach doesnae know what he's doing. We screwed up badly against Dundee on Sunday. Thats whats put us in this hole. We should of been playing Cardiff or Belfast where we would have had a chance. Nobody is beating Sheffield.theres a reason theyve won the league and the cup already.
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Post by zamboni on Apr 12, 2024 23:08:25 GMT
Spot on, we gave them goals. After 1st we were in the game and competing then gave away poor goals, Steelers didn't need much skill to score at least 6 of their goals tonight, not sure how anyone could watch that and think otherwise. And I agree that the plan should have been to keep it tight not to push constantly and leave players unmarked. To be clear do you actually think the plan was to leave players unmarked? How about giving Sheffield some credit for getting themselves unmarked. They are a bloody good team. Individual mistakes come when guys are tired..guys are tired when they are up against better opposition every shift and getting worn down. Thats what Steelers did. They wore us down. It was close after the first but we couldnae maintain that level when we were chasing the puck so much. Thats what happens when the opposition are better. Making out our guys didnt try or made stupid decisions is doing them a disservice and forgetting about mental errors that come from being ground down. Thats what I saw tonight. Tough to watch but not unexpected at all and it doesnae mean than all of a sudden our players are ***** and the coach doesnae know what he's doing. We screwed up badly against Dundee on Sunday. Thats whats put us in this hole. We should have been playing Cardiff or Belfast where we would have had a chance. Nobody is beating Sheffield.theres a reason theyve won the league and the cup already. Agree with most of this Listen to Coolens interview and Fox They play 3 lines and 5 d we wore them down 1st period we matched them and could have been more ahead 2 nd period Steelers changed line combos Coolen says we lost 2 players Wehrs and someone hurt their thumb Owen wasn’t at his best tonight either Too many turnovers and passing was poor Sunday it’s 1 and done Has anybody beat Steelers by 5 goal margin this season Doubt it But at least we got there If we had come up the road 2 down would’ve been a lot happier But will be there on Sunday not expecting a miracle though
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Post by stewartgibson on Apr 13, 2024 0:22:48 GMT
Spot on, we gave them goals. After 1st we were in the game and competing then gave away poor goals, Steelers didn't need much skill to score at least 6 of their goals tonight, not sure how anyone could watch that and think otherwise. And I agree that the plan should have been to keep it tight not to push constantly and leave players unmarked. To be clear do you actually think the plan was to leave players unmarked? How about giving Sheffield some credit for getting themselves unmarked. They are a bloody good team. Individual mistakes come when guys are tired..guys are tired when they are up against better opposition every shift and getting worn down. Thats what Steelers did. They wore us down. It was close after the first but we couldnae maintain that level when we were chasing the puck so much. Thats what happens when the opposition are better. Making out our guys didnt try or made stupid decisions is doing them a disservice and forgetting about mental errors that come from being ground down. Thats what I saw tonight. Tough to watch but not unexpected at all and it doesnae mean than all of a sudden our players are ***** and the coach doesnae know what he's doing. We screwed up badly against Dundee on Sunday. Thats whats put us in this hole. We should of been playing Cardiff or Belfast where we would have had a chance. Nobody is beating Sheffield.theres a reason theyve won the league and the cup already. There’s no disputing Steelers are a good team, theyre top 5 ive seen in our time in the elite league era. However our game plan whatever it was tonight showed them absolutely no respect, the amount of times our D pinched meant it had to have been something that was told to be done by the coach and we never adapted all game, that simply falls on the coach but he’s done a good job this year so we can cut him some slack. Again some of the plays simply dont come down to tired mistakes, we’ve seen Wehrs come in and simply refuse to move his feet at any point, he plays scared and refuses to engage in any physical battle. Regular season fair enough but this is playoff hockey, it’s completely unacceptable. I can’t remember if its goal 5,6 or 7 but steelers chip it in deep and Wehrs just completely gives up on it, he does this on a weekly basis, it’s a complete lack of compete level and do the little things to win. Pouteau deary me, how many times is he going to step up and try make a big hit and the guy just walks round him? He’s miles off the level for me and continues to make the same bone head plays and doesnt seem to learn from it. Im sure he’s a nice guy off ice but he doesnt have the skating ability to play in the league. Now i get guys are tired and that’s fine to use that as a reasoning but we’ve literally went down there scored 4 and somehow not gave ourselves a chance in Kirkcaldy. Defensively we’ve been poor all year and that reflects in the goals we’ve conceded this year. Now that doesn’t all fall on the defencemen, our three centres in Pavlovs, Shirley and Pilon are really weak defensively and it kills us, im not sure on the face off stats but id imagine theyre pretty poor also. Im no sure whats happened to Pilon, pretty evident he’s not a great skater or puck handler but he was exciting to watch when he was chippy and played with energy but not sure whats happened there, maybe suffocating him playing down the middle. All in all a poor night for the club, and i think Coolen wouldve taken a lesson from it and who he can trust in big games and who shy’d away from the pressure of a high intensity game.
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Post by flyer007 on Apr 13, 2024 5:18:32 GMT
In fairness to Pavlovs I think he is usually very sound defensively and shored us up when he came in as was good on face offs and has an active stick. Because he’s not the fastest skater out there you don’t always see it. His issues arise when he tries to play offensively like the giveaway for Balmas breakaway. There is a reason he’s a Latvian international and that’s his defensive game.
We lost the game because of individual errors, and conceding goals off the rush and second opportunities where we didn’t get the puck out at the time of asking. I think Wehrs was injured so I’ll let him off tonight but as a collective group we were all over the place.
Humitz and Pulkinnen were skating hard from the get go but what does Shirley give us. He needs to play much more physical for a man of his size and is so passive out there and not strong along the boards.
This group has a great core we need to hang on to the following and then look for upgrades:
- Osterberg - TLJ - Humitz - Pavlovs - Pulkinnen - Chiodo
- Giles - Makela
As others have pointed out defense is where our problem lies. We held Sheffield to one goal with 4 D (one of which was Pavlovs) but since then have got away from the defensive side of the game.
I hope the guys leave it all out there on Sunday and don’t just go through the motions they need to leave the rink on a positive note. I don’t expect us to qualify but I hope we give Sheffield a proper test and show them what Flyers hockey is all about
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