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Post by flyer007 on Mar 13, 2014 0:53:41 GMT
Fulton will go onto bigger things than the EIHL all these rumours about braehead are just that.
I don't see him back in fife and I don't see him back in the Gardiner conference. I think Belfast or Sheffield would be a better bet if he was to stay elite. He is a very good player but we need some size upfront so changes have to be made and for me Lukacevic is the guy to build our franchise around he has ability which very few players in the league possess.
We can still make if yea it will be tough but this weekend will decide matters. 4 points and were back in the hunt
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Post by Dstar1512 on Mar 13, 2014 7:41:58 GMT
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Post by ckbell63 on Mar 13, 2014 7:45:07 GMT
Based on tonight's performance,Fulton,Haines and Lukacevic would be the only imports I'd bring back. Roehl looks uninterested, a like nickerson but maybe it's time the flyers manned up a bit and got a dirty player. Every other team seems to niggle after the play but flyers don't. The arguments saying the referees are against the flyers is absolute c***,we know there bad we should learn! Our defence isn't mobile enough apart from Haines,dacostas slow and attacks far too often. If we're going to sign an enforcing defenseman we need a stay at home one not and offensive minded one like Nickerson. You honestly think Flyers players don't niggle after the play (Jordan Fulton??) and that Nickerson is an offensive defenceman? Have to agree finchy. Fulton does niggle and Nickerson is not an offensive dman. Whilst it was nice to see guys get a game in the 3rd v Caps we did lose momentum. Could have let them play the last few shifts perhaps? It is about momentum and confidence. I fear ours has gone now. It was a good month though.
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Post by ckbell63 on Mar 13, 2014 7:50:51 GMT
Haines and Ned interested Braehead before we got them. If we don't move quickly they will move somewhere else, maybe Braehead?
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Post by coloradoflyer on Mar 13, 2014 8:10:03 GMT
yeah i heard haines almost signed for clan but came to us
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Post by scoles1 on Mar 13, 2014 9:33:18 GMT
yeah i heard haines almost signed for clan but came to us Haines openly admitted in his last interview that he was first in talks with Braehead and they didnt want him. It still baffles me watching the video of Nickerson that fans think they can taunt someone who is at the end of the day a human being whilst he is already filed to the brim with adrenaline and anger without potentially getting a slap. At the end of the day I think the calmest of people would struggle with walking past a fan who was giving it as much as that fan was. It also highlights how quickly social media jumped on him last night even from people within our fanbase saying he hit a disabled person.
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Post by daviejojo on Mar 13, 2014 9:53:45 GMT
Watching the video, I don't actually think Nickerson will see an increased ban. All the stories about him hitting someone in a wheelchair is complete nonsense. Yes he made a gesture, but it was in no way a real threat, he didn't even break his stride to the dressing room. I don't condone the gesture, but it was nothing more than that. Hull actually need to consider their security at their arena, this isn't the first time there has been words between fans and players, I'd be a nightmare if I sat there, Id probably have been slapped a few times!!!
So, for me, the Nickerson debate should end here. He got his match, which tbh, was hard to tell if justified from the video clip, but that should be the end of it, a 1 game ban.
The bigger issue, is how the team just falls apart when things don't go right. We have player of undoubted quality, that would warrant building a team around. I would suggest, Fulton, Reber, Ned, Roehl and Haines. They would be the 5 I would bring back, but as stated above, we need them signed now, or 1 or 2 will very quickly find themselves signed by some of the so called top teams in the league, who in fairness, won't faff about when it comes to a signing policy. Fife have ABSOLUTELY no reason not to sign guys now, there is no longer any uncertainty about which league we're going to be in, or how the league is going to run etc, so get guys, who have deserved a new contract signed up, or risk starting from scratch AGAIN for EIHL season 4.
However.....the biggest change we need, is a change in the head coach. As he said earlier, "I'm not there to motivate the team", so I have no confidence that we'll have the team fired up for the weekend, and what could very easily become a damp squid of a pack the barn event.
We need to put things into perspective here. We have had a pretty poor season, yes, we maybe ran the play offs close in the end, but we have very much underachieved, and it's easy for Todd to blame the guys, blame the officials, but I've never yet heard him shoulder any of the responsibility himself. There have been some baffling decisions at times, and my thoughts are already well known, so I won't bore you again, but lets show some ambition as a club, the infrastructure is there, the fan base is there, but too many are prepared to accept a half hearted, and mediocre approach, and that needs to change. If we had made the play offs (which mathematically we still can, but I very much doubt we will), it would have in many ways papered over the cracks that have been almost a gulf in size at times this year, this result has simply brought us all crashing back down to earth with a bang.
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Post by jflyer on Mar 13, 2014 9:55:37 GMT
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Post by joestoyanovich on Mar 13, 2014 10:23:39 GMT
Good video that clears that up. He didnt hit the fan just made a wee move towards them that made them jump back. You can see though from where I was sitting right up the far end of that side of the rink how it could have looked like something had happened. You have to wonder as well what would had happened at Kirkcaldy if an opposition player had squirted water on the fans behind the penalty bench or made a threatening gesture to one of our fans? Mayhem perhaps. Poor performance from Flyers overall, never really looked like winning that game. The last month or so's good form has masked to an extent what has been a really disappointing season.
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Post by daviejojo on Mar 13, 2014 10:25:19 GMT
Good video that clears that up. He didnt hit the fan just made a wee move towards them that made them jump back. You can see though from where I was sitting right up the far end of that side of the rink how it could have looked like something had happened. You have to wonder as well what would had happened at Kirkcaldy if an opposition player had squirted water on the fans behind the penalty bench or made a threatening gesture to one of our fans? Mayhem perhaps. Poor performance from Flyers overall, never really looked like winning that game. The last month or so's good form has masked to an extent what has been a really disappointing season. Totally agree.
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Post by joestoyanovich on Mar 13, 2014 11:49:05 GMT
I know Davie, what gets me is the potential that exists at Kirkcaldy to have a top notch team out on the ice given the support we have.
I've been to the last 3 Hull away game and I don't think that the total attendance of these 3 games matches what we get for 1 game.
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Post by daviejojo on Mar 13, 2014 12:00:58 GMT
I know Davie, what gets me is the potential that exists at Kirkcaldy to have a top notch team out on the ice given the support we have. I've been to the last 3 Hull away game and I don't think that the total attendance of these 3 games matches what we get for 1 game. Totally agree again...that's 2 posts I've agreed with in 1 day, think I need a lie down :-) Fife Flyers is a Gold Mine for a willing, and innovative owner. Muir said before the first season "Let's see if the fans turn up, we've taken the gamble to go Elite, now it's up to the fans" Todd said this year "We're a fan financed club, we don't have the massive sponsors etc, and rely on our gates to build a team" Now for me, we're a 9th placed club, but according to the Live TV Broadcasts, we see our crowds up 15% this year, compared to last, and they are way more than season 1. So what more proof do the ownership need that the Fife crowd will back this team to the hilt. This is a low risk investment. The guys are only on 1 year deals, they have 2 week release clauses, so even in the event the crowd didn't show, they could get out of any financial mess very quickly. As the movie once said "Build it, and they will come" With crowds of 1600-2000+ for the 2nd half of what's, let be honest, a disappointing 75th anniversary season on the ice, is proof further of the loyalty of the fans. Imagine if we were winning the Conference, or we were challenging in 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc, which is well within our grasp, the place would be packed out. I cannot understand some of the decisions that are made. Just make some fairly simple changes, and this club and franchise will rocket to the top, and to where most of us think the club should be, challenging for trophies year on year
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Post by fifeflyer11 on Mar 13, 2014 12:29:39 GMT
last night was just a night to forget for the team and the fans, we have to turn our attention to Saturday now and focus on getting the 2 points against a very good giants team, get 2 points there and playoffs are defo back in sight! cmon we can do it lets get behind the team!
seriously hope the rumours of braehead signing fulton, haines or whoever is not true, we need these types of players back
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Post by finchy on Mar 13, 2014 12:56:11 GMT
I know Davie, what gets me is the potential that exists at Kirkcaldy to have a top notch team out on the ice given the support we have. I've been to the last 3 Hull away game and I don't think that the total attendance of these 3 games matches what we get for 1 game. Totally agree again...that's 2 posts I've agreed with in 1 day, think I need a lie down :-) Fife Flyers is a Gold Mine for a willing, and innovative owner. Muir said before the first season "Let's see if the fans turn up, we've taken the gamble to go Elite, now it's up to the fans" Todd said this year "We're a fan financed club, we don't have the massive sponsors etc, and rely on our gates to build a team" Now for me, we're a 9th placed club, but according to the Live TV Broadcasts, we see our crowds up 15% this year, compared to last, and they are way more than season 1. So what more proof do the ownership need that the Fife crowd will back this team to the hilt. This is a low risk investment. The guys are only on 1 year deals, they have 2 week release clauses, so even in the event the crowd didn't show, they could get out of any financial mess very quickly. As the movie once said "Build it, and they will come" With crowds of 1600-2000+ for the 2nd half of what's, let be honest, a disappointing 75th anniversary season on the ice, is proof further of the loyalty of the fans. Imagine if we were winning the Conference, or we were challenging in 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc, which is well within our grasp, the place would be packed out. I cannot understand some of the decisions that are made. Just make some fairly simple changes, and this club and franchise will rocket to the top, and to where most of us think the club should be, challenging for trophies year on year 1. We're not a 9th placed team until the final league table tells us that. 2. There must be 9 other teams in the league who think they should be challenging for the Conference, top 4 etc.- why do we have this divine right again? Our crowds are up but still 6th of 7th in the league? 3. "It's not my job to motivate the team" zzzzzzzzz. Been done to death and you're taking it out of context AGAIN. Why keep beating him with this stick? 4. Todd never takes responsibility? He's said UMPTEEN times the buck stops with him and Danny! Why shouldn't he mention refs etc when the rest of us do!! The players ARE responsible too!! 5. If the Flyers are such a sure fire 'gold mine' when are you going to organise a consortium to buy them??! You might even manage it yourself if you show the bank the plans you drew up last year! EVERY time we have a bad loss it's groundhog day.
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Post by daviejojo on Mar 13, 2014 14:21:02 GMT
Totally agree again...that's 2 posts I've agreed with in 1 day, think I need a lie down :-) Fife Flyers is a Gold Mine for a willing, and innovative owner. Muir said before the first season "Let's see if the fans turn up, we've taken the gamble to go Elite, now it's up to the fans" Todd said this year "We're a fan financed club, we don't have the massive sponsors etc, and rely on our gates to build a team" Now for me, we're a 9th placed club, but according to the Live TV Broadcasts, we see our crowds up 15% this year, compared to last, and they are way more than season 1. So what more proof do the ownership need that the Fife crowd will back this team to the hilt. This is a low risk investment. The guys are only on 1 year deals, they have 2 week release clauses, so even in the event the crowd didn't show, they could get out of any financial mess very quickly. As the movie once said "Build it, and they will come" With crowds of 1600-2000+ for the 2nd half of what's, let be honest, a disappointing 75th anniversary season on the ice, is proof further of the loyalty of the fans. Imagine if we were winning the Conference, or we were challenging in 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc, which is well within our grasp, the place would be packed out. I cannot understand some of the decisions that are made. Just make some fairly simple changes, and this club and franchise will rocket to the top, and to where most of us think the club should be, challenging for trophies year on year 1. We're not a 9th placed team until the final league table tells us that. - I meant 9th placed team now, obviously that might very well change, it was more in context of where we are today. 2. There must be 9 other teams in the league who think they should be challenging for the Conference, top 4 etc.- why do we have this divine right again? Our crowds are up but still 6th of 7th in the league? - I don't think it's a devine right at all, but for me, the club should be at the other end of the table, not where we are. I believe we have the infrastructure, and fan base to support a successful team quite easily. Obviously you never quite know where any season will go, but I don't think we should be struggling down the wrong end year on year. 3. "It's not my job to motivate the team" zzzzzzzzz. Been done to death and you're taking it out of context AGAIN. Why keep beating him with this stick? - Just putting it in the context of the post. In my opinion, and it's just mine, but I don't think he's a particularly good motivator, happy of course to be proved wrong on Saturday. 4. Todd never takes responsibility? He's said UMPTEEN times the buck stops with him and Danny! Why shouldn't he mention refs etc when the rest of us do!! The players ARE responsible too!! - I agree to a point, he does say the buck stops with him. But he never seems to do much about it. With the way we started the year, I reckon pretty much every club apart from us would have made wholesale changes. You can argue either way that it shows good loyalty to the team in sticking with them, but you could also say it shows lack of ambition to make changes that probably should have been made. There hasn't been much from what I've seen that suggests he's taking ultimate responsibility for what has been an underachieved season. Of course it's not over yet, so time will tell. 5. If the Flyers are such a sure fire 'gold mine' when are you going to organise a consortium to buy them??! You might even manage it yourself if you show the bank the plans you drew up last year! - I would love too! Although probably not quite as easy it sounds. There would have to be a desire to sell in the first place, and I don't suspect there would be a great desire to do this. There are obviously risks, as there is in any business, but the way Ice Hockey runs in the UK, I don't see it as a huge risk in terms of short term cash flow, the supporters back the club to the hilt, it's time for the club to back itself. I'm sure I am one of just many who would love the chance to own and manage the club, sadly, financially, it's well out of my league. EVERY time we have a bad loss it's groundhog day. - I don't think that's too fair, I've been pretty consistent on my thoughts on this, and not just after defeats. Also, when credit has been due, I've been right on it. Happy to say well done when it's due
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