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Post by nobabody on Dec 10, 2012 22:26:24 GMT
was having a we trawl on youtube today which started with Datsyuk best compilation, an awesome watch by the way, but i later came across this which made me think about player safety at FIA.
It looks like a mix of Willie Nics boarding last season and Chaumonts excursion Saturday. Now in our season and a bit in the EIHL we've had 3 concussions, or is it 4? and now Peacocks injury. This seems like a lot to me, so isn't it time to seriously review the rink safety ?
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Post by sparkymark75 on Dec 10, 2012 23:10:04 GMT
The Peacock incident and the one above can happen at any rink. I am concerned about our plexi though. Not so much the solidness of the glass but the lack of give in the boards and glass, hence the concussions.
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Post by flyer007 on Dec 10, 2012 23:14:00 GMT
He hits his head of the glass between the benches which would not happen at the FIA so different issue.
Peacock injury complete accident ok if glass went to blue line it wouldnt have happened but you can't blame the rink for that one if it meets EIHL standards.
4 concussions I think, Maxi, Cohey, Stewie and Willie Nic so you might be right because the boards are very stiff at the FIA.
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Post by tam on Dec 11, 2012 7:28:59 GMT
to me its more about the refereeing standards and the illegal hits that are going unpunished, stewies hit was clearly from behind and to the head, bobby chamounts hit over the boards to me had a bit of charging to it to have enough force to put him over the boards by peacock, who i am sure was also responsible for cohens concussion last year, .
also i think if they put plexi all the way round at kirkcaldy you wouldnt see half the ice, at edinburgh and dundee you sit higher up above the glass
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Post by kdd on Dec 11, 2012 9:04:01 GMT
i think if they put plexi all the way round at kirkcaldy you wouldnt see half the ice, at edinburgh and dundee you sit higher up above the glass That makes no sense - you can see through the glass! If you sit in section A or J near the Fife Lounge you have to watch through the glass and you can see just fine. The glass should be all the way up the penalty box side - the only gap should be at the players benches. You could argue that Peacock should have thought about his check a bit more as there was no glass there, but one thing is for sure - if the glass was there he wouldn't have got that injury. If I was Belfast I'd be complaining to the League on the player safety issue. That's not to say glass down that side would stop all freak accidents, but it would certainly reduce the number of them. As for the the stiffness of the boards/glass - I've commented many a time how unsafe it looks to me compared to more modern facilities. There was also an interview with Matt Cohen on the Flyers website where he stated the boards were to firm and responsible for injuries - he should know. Again, I'd be complaining to the League if I were any other team. I guess the problem is that the amount of money involved in getting a modern board/glass system that suits the way the game is played in the EIHL would be huge. |
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Post by flyersfaninfife on Dec 11, 2012 12:06:52 GMT
You could argue that Peacock should have thought about his check a bit more as there was no glass there, but one thing is for sure - if the glass was there he wouldn't have got that injury. If I was Belfast I'd be complaining to the League on the player safety issue. That's not to say glass down that side would stop all freak accidents, but it would certainly reduce the number of them. The reason Peacock got injured was because he wasn't happy in just making a clean hit but wanted to finish it off in style by putting his man over the boards... looks spectacular when guys get hit into the bench and over the boards but also carries a degree of risk. Unfortunately for Peacock the skate of Chamount came up and caught him in the face. Just one of those things and could happen in all rinks/arenas around the UK and world. As for the glass... I like the amount we have as it still has the feel of old skool hockey up the boards with the safety factor behind the nets, I have to agree the stanchions that hold the glass are way to stiff and will continue to cause injuries unless fixed. |
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Post by Goalie on Dec 11, 2012 20:51:24 GMT
what happened in that clip can and will happen in any rink in this country, FACT, complain to the league, why, its not even a legal requierment to have plexi in the rink, as stated by tom muir.
that doesnt take away from the fact that our boards are too sturdy, but unless you have a spare £150.000 for the "safe" board/glass system (which still causes injuries i may add) then that aint going to change anytime soon
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Post by kdd on Dec 11, 2012 21:10:46 GMT
what happened in that clip can and will happen in any rink in this country, FACT, complain to the league, why, its not even a legal requierment to have plexi in the rink, as stated by tom muir. that doesnt take away from the fact that our boards are too sturdy, but unless you have a spare £150.000 for the "safe" board/glass system (which still causes injuries i may add) then that aint going to change anytime soon What happened in that clip is not the same as what happened to Peacock. In every other EIHL rink there would be glass where Peacock made the check so it would have prevented his injury this time. Obvioulsy you can't prevent the same thing happening at the benches as there can't be glass there. But, if you can prevent even 1 horrific injury like that happening again, then we should. Also, I'm pretty sure it is a requirement of the EIHL to have glass which has nothing to do with it being a legal requirement. I'm guessing what we have is the minimum required to meet the EIHL rules. Did someone not say Nottingham weren't happy with the glass situation earlier in the season and that the Flyers had been ordered by the league to get it sorted for next season? Don't know if this is true or not. |
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Post by creased on Dec 12, 2012 1:10:39 GMT
A new board system is a must, 4 players concussions, these injury's cost us big time, i am sure if wee tommy got naild intae thum and came away with bad concussion and was out for weeks on end there would be some action taken. This will happen year in year out until they get it fixed, Its in the club/rinks best interests to do so, or they will be paying top class imports to sit on the bench/lounge with long term or even career threatening injury's, Common Sense. Surely!!!! COYF,  |
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Post by The Horse™ on Dec 12, 2012 1:47:55 GMT
If "wee tommy" as you put it, "got nailed into them" again as you put it and had a concussion, I would bet he would still be at his work on Monday morning  |
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Post by beanster on Dec 12, 2012 8:23:05 GMT
If "wee tommy" as you put it, "got nailed into them" again as you put it and had a concussion, I would bet he would still be at his work on Monday morning Is he not working Sunday as well then ??  |
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Post by ronniemac on Dec 12, 2012 12:39:53 GMT
Concussions, skate cuts and even death has happened in rinks WITH all the ultimate precautions and equipment in place, i don't think you could ever eliminate injuries its unfortunately part of the game.
All of the above can happen at centre - ice so where would you begin to solve that?
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Post by The Horse™ on Dec 12, 2012 12:53:41 GMT
make the players play in inflatable suits on top of their gear ;D
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Post by nobabody on Dec 12, 2012 14:51:31 GMT
Concussions, skate cuts and even death has happened in rinks WITH all the ultimate precautions and equipment in place, i don't think you could ever eliminate injuries its unfortunately part of the game. All of the above can happen at centre - ice so where would you begin to solve that? eliminating injuries is impossible, it's about minimising the risk due to foreseeable circumstances, whether thats ensuring players wear appropriate kit, the rink itself is safe or that certain behaviours are punished appropriately, they all play a part. |
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Post by kdd on Dec 12, 2012 15:11:55 GMT
Concussions, skate cuts and even death has happened in rinks WITH all the ultimate precautions and equipment in place, i don't think you could ever eliminate injuries its unfortunately part of the game. All of the above can happen at centre - ice so where would you begin to solve that? eliminating injuries is impossible, it's about minimising the risk due to foreseeable circumstances, whether thats ensuring players wear appropriate kit, the rink itself is safe or that certain behaviours are punished appropriately, they all play a part. Exactly. You are always going to get injuries in a physical game, but there will be proportionately more injuries at the FIA because of lack of glass down the penalty box side and the stiffness of the boards/glass all around, both of which can be sorted. Money is obviously the barrier, but I don't see how you can deny they should both be sorted if money was no object. |
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