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Post by RaithVPars on Mar 31, 2015 18:18:02 GMT
He's obviously doing something that we're no seeing on the ice!
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Post by nobabody on Mar 31, 2015 22:06:43 GMT
have to keep Ned, runs the pp and 12th top points scorer in the league, and Boaby too at 14th, canny pass up that kind of points production, if Boaby fails to deliver next season then it may be time to let him go or slip down the lines. Glad to hear Haines has ties and maybe gettin onto the coaching staff in some capacity. I'd like to see only a few changes, a bit more power/physicality up front and another at the back. Think Kyle might be done (sadly) so a quality Brit replacement needed there. A serious and honest look at our Brit pack, either find them a role and play them or move them on and upgrade - says me that doesn't run the club - oh and i think a nettie is required as did Kevin not say he was back for one last season before hanging them up? Murphy maybe ?
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Post by coloradoflyer on Apr 1, 2015 7:00:55 GMT
murphy has been to injury prone the last 3 years wouldn't surprise me if he is done also
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mavor1987
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Post by mavor1987 on Apr 2, 2015 18:55:00 GMT
Bobby,Milam,Luka,Nickerson and Haines the only returnees?
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Post by harlan on Apr 2, 2015 19:33:05 GMT
Bobby,Milam,Luka,Nickerson and Haines the only returnees? IMO and in order. Maybe but I hope not, no, no, maybe and no
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Post by sparkymark75 on Apr 2, 2015 19:33:50 GMT
Bobby,Milam,Luka,Nickerson and Haines the only returnees? If that's the case the rest of the team need to be hard working, fast and tough.
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Post by zamboni on Apr 2, 2015 20:18:09 GMT
See Chris Frank has officially retired on Elite Prospects Only Slipsgerald left for Matt to Box with.....if hes back
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Post by charlieconway96 on Apr 3, 2015 8:51:13 GMT
Bobby,Milam,Luka,Nickerson and Haines the only returnees? IMO and in order. Maybe but I hope not, no, no, maybe and no For any football fans out there I would like to draw one major comparison between a well known footballer and one of our own players. I always feel Bobby is Ice hockey's answer to Kris Boyd. For any of those who dont know Boyd he's the Scottish Premier Leagues all time leading goal scorer. Boyd regularly scored 25+ goals a season for Rangers albeit against all the bottom six teams in the league. I think he only ever scored against Celtic once and was also dropped for big games in europe and was also found out against Championship level clubs in England. His fortunes representing the national team were similair, he would bang them in against the Faroe Islands but again against serious opposition he found himself out his depth. I feel Bobby is of a similair mould, I would like to see a comparison of his scoring stats between Gardiner & Erdhart conference teams. Even last weekend against Sheffield I thought Bobby struggled to get in the game, however if were Dundee on the other side of the pad he propbably would have bagged a couple of goals.I know this is another age old debate but I feel Flyers would be a better club if we were to replace Bobby with a strong two-way player that can still produce a resonable number of points. Im fully prepared for all you stat warriors out there to point out the numbers he's put on the board over the last three seasons but stats arent everything in Hockey. We have three players in the top 15 point scorers in the league and we barely finished 8th.
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Post by hockeylover on Apr 3, 2015 9:11:52 GMT
Rumour on the Clan forum is that Stefan Meyer is to retire! Huge loss to UK hockey if true.
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Post by finchy on Apr 3, 2015 9:25:33 GMT
Rumour on the Clan forum is that Stefan Meyer is to retire! Huge loss to UK hockey if true. You reckon UK hockey will ever recover if it loses Chris Frank AND Stefan Meyer in the same close season?
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Post by waterboy on Apr 3, 2015 12:13:38 GMT
I feel Bobby is of a similair mould, I would like to see a comparison of his scoring stats between Gardiner & Erdhart conference teams. Even last weekend against Sheffield I thought Bobby struggled to get in the game, however if were Dundee on the other side of the pad he propbably would have bagged a couple of goals.I know this is another age old debate but I feel Flyers would be a better club if we were to replace Bobby with a strong two-way player that can still produce a resonable number of points. Im fully prepared for all you stat warriors out there to point out the numbers he's put on the board over the last three seasons but stats arent everything in Hockey. We have three players in the top 15 point scorers in the league and we barely finished 8th. When your a goal scorer and nothing else and you score 3 goals over the last 17 games of the season stats are everything in hockey. Its hard to argue with you about replacing Bobby when you look at his stats. But I will give it a go Stats for this season: Conference scoring = 57% against Gardiner teams (in those last 17 games he scored 3 goals,we played against Gardiner teams 12 times) ironically his scoring looks better against Erdhart teams but when you dig a bit deeper its not so clear cut. Against Gardiner teams 39 pts in 37 games 0.95 ppg Against Erdhart Teams 25 pts in 25 games 1.00 ppg (Without Nottingham 14pts in 19 games 0.74 ppg) In those last 17 games 6 pts in 17 games 0.35 ppg Pts against each team Bel 5 Bra 6 Car 2 Cov 3 Dun 15 Edi 14 Hul 4 Not 11 She 4 Take Dundee and Edinburgh out as they were pretty much awful against us its pretty clear why he is so high up our scoring charts. 45% of his pts came agaisnt 2 teams. 63% of his pts came against 3 teams. Dun+Edi 20 games 29 pts 1.45 ppg Rest 42 games 35 pts 0.83 ppg - Nott 36 Games 24 pts 0.66 ppg TBH just after the new year I was ready to drop him as he was playing just horrible but I checked out his points and was stunned to see him with so many points (52pts in 39 games). So you know what I go OK at least he is contributing, when that stops its easy to see why he is a target (12pts in 23 games) I have defended the guy a few times because natural goal scorers are hard to find but when his numbers show such a drop off its hard to defend him. BUT, how we played this season was not built around bringing the best out of Bobby. Dumping the puck every shift or expecting him to skate it into the zone and set up plays. Utter stupidity. It's simply not his game. He was at his most effective with Jason Pitton and Casey Haines, hey guess what a balanced line. A big winger who can take it into the zone and crash the net a terrific skilled centreman who can skate it in and set up the play so the scorer can stick it in the net. Bring the guy back but give him line mates and a system that play to his strengths, I do think we would see Bobby back at his best. If we dont want to do that then dont bring him back. If he is to come back his fitness needs to improve.
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Post by finchy on Apr 3, 2015 12:22:43 GMT
Superb post Waterboy- good to see a bit of balance on the whole Bobby debate. It's too black and white to some people.
The Pitton-Haines-Chaumont line was the best we've had in the EIHL, and nobody could doubt BC's contribution to that.It's too simple for folk to say 'replace Bobby with a 2 way player' as we already have those with guys like Fulton and Reber, as well as responsible centre's. The key is to get the line combinations right.
Bobby has been a good producer for Flyers and whether its time to move on or not, I do feel people can sometimes be a bit disrespectful towards his contribution.
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Post by coloradoflyer on Apr 3, 2015 13:25:30 GMT
bobby elite
clan he played 54 games 2010-2011 he had 53 points
following year he went to fort wayne 66 games 66 points a point a game in the CHL
the year he came to us , he played 18 games for the clan had 16 points then then 37 games for us for 64
last year 59 games 65 points
this year 60 games 64 points
total elite
games played 228 - total points 262 that is 1.15 points per game.
in the CHL he is 0.93 points per game from 243 games
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Post by waterboy on Apr 3, 2015 13:38:40 GMT
His first season with us was just amazing, 1.73 ppg. Last season it was 1.19 ppg this its dropped again to 1.03 ppg.
His Flyers career stats:
Games Goals Assists Points PPG 158 80 114 194 1.23
Not the kind of production we should just throw away so easily.
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Post by swarfiga on Apr 3, 2015 14:14:04 GMT
Spot on, Iv said it here aswell don't waste wages on the guy unless you put beside him which has been proven works, your power forward and your creative centre. He's played with neither since they left. But because they don't have a clue what they're signing is it worth keeping him every year in the hope they get players like Pitton and Haines
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