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Post by waterboy on Jul 24, 2015 10:19:39 GMT
Clan are showing Flyers how to do pretty much everything; recruitment, marketing, grow, etc Had a look at their team page on elite prospects and its scary to see the experience they have coming into this season. 1837 games played in the AHL, that's between 9 different players Keith and McIver with over 500 games. Jackman only played 20 AHL games. NHL - Ric Jackman is obviously top with 231 games but McIver Keith and Meyer have 36, 27, 20 games. That's a hell of a lot of experience. Their first line defence Jackman and McIver - NHL GP 267 AHL GP 528 Not to mention the goalie they have!! NHL experience: 317 GP SHL experience: 25 GP Allsvenskan experience: 145 GP Liga experience: 57 GP KHL experience: 110 GP Czech experience: 4 GP AHL experience: 1837 GP DEL experience: 225 GP NLA experience: 144 GP
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Post by flyersforlife01 on Jul 24, 2015 11:00:43 GMT
Clan are showing Flyers how to do pretty much everything; recruitment, marketing, grow, etc Had a look at their team page on elite prospects and its scary to see the experience they have coming into this season. 1837 games played in the AHL, that's between 9 different players Keith and McIver with over 500 games. Jackman only played 20 AHL games. NHL - Ric Jackman is obviously top with 231 games but McIver Keith and Meyer have 36, 27, 20 games. That's a hell of a lot of experience. Their first line defence Jackman and McIver - NHL GP 267 AHL GP 528 Not to mention the goalie they have!! NHL experience: 317 GP SHL experience: 25 GP Allsvenskan experience: 145 GP Liga experience: 57 GP KHL experience: 110 GP Czech experience: 4 GP AHL experience: 1837 GP DEL experience: 225 GP NLA experience: 144 GP Yes they may have experience, but at what cost. What is the average age of these guys? Why have they decided to play in our league? All these guys are at the end of their career and maybe they are past it, just because they've played in the NHL doesn't make them great players at this stage in their career. Even the younger players that came over when there was the lockout didn't show anything to say they play in the NHL. I can remember the flyers signing a guy called Steve Gatzos who played 89 NHL games and 211 AHL games, he was absolutely rank rotten as he was at the end of his career and was wearing a knee brace due to an injury occurred earlier in his career.
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Post by waterboy on Jul 24, 2015 12:03:37 GMT
Had a look at their team page on elite prospects and its scary to see the experience they have coming into this season. 1837 games played in the AHL, that's between 9 different players Keith and McIver with over 500 games. Jackman only played 20 AHL games. NHL - Ric Jackman is obviously top with 231 games but McIver Keith and Meyer have 36, 27, 20 games. That's a hell of a lot of experience. Their first line defence Jackman and McIver - NHL GP 267 AHL GP 528 Not to mention the goalie they have!! NHL experience: 317 GP SHL experience: 25 GP Allsvenskan experience: 145 GP Liga experience: 57 GP KHL experience: 110 GP Czech experience: 4 GP AHL experience: 1837 GP DEL experience: 225 GP NLA experience: 144 GP Yes they may have experience, but at what cost. What is the average age of these guys? Why have they decided to play in our league? All these guys are at the end of their career and maybe they are past it, just because they've played in the NHL doesn't make them great players at this stage in their career. Even the younger players that came over when there was the lockout didn't show anything to say they play in the NHL. I can remember the flyers signing a guy called Steve Gatzos who played 89 NHL games and 211 AHL games, he was absolutely rank rotten as he was at the end of his career and was wearing a knee brace due to an injury occurred earlier in his career. You cant seriously be putting Meyer Keith McIver of today into the same bracket as Gatzos a guy who played for Flyers 25 years ago?? The guy who turned up halfway through our relegation season which was a nightmare by the time he arrived yet he still put up a shed load of points in a handful of games. Meyer Keith we have seen and they are good players. I am willing to bet they will all be very good for the Clan even Jackman and Brooks despite their age. Both guys are experienced pros who look after themselves, no different to someone like Frankie Morris. I guess time will tell once the season gets underway. Answer me this who out of Meyer Keith Jackman McIver Holt Brooks Leavitt would you have been disappointed in if Flyers had signed them. oh the average age of the 9 with AHL games is 31. I remember Flyers signing a guy at 36 a few years back with NHL experience and he turned out to be pretty good....Doug Smail! Wonder if we all thought "why is he coming here" or if he was past it. I'm pretty sure Braehead will have done their homework before bringing these guys in.
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Post by flyer007 on Jul 24, 2015 12:41:32 GMT
There is no doubting the strength of the clan on paper a couple of interesting variables to take into account. The CHL took a lot out of Nottingham last year will this have an affect on the Clan I think it might. The fixture list. They don't have a home game in their first 8 and have less games at home on a Saturday which may affect their energy levels.
I also think we cannot compare until we fully know how we will shape up. Bryan Pitton in nets. 2 first line forwards to come to play on the line centred by Dingle and a 3rd line forward. Plus another D man. 5 signings still to come that will dictate how we perform this season.
Also the game is not played on paper nobody thought Dundee would win the Gardiner with the team they had but they did. All will be to play for over the next 8 months
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Post by flyersforlife01 on Jul 24, 2015 12:44:43 GMT
Yes they may have experience, but at what cost. What is the average age of these guys? Why have they decided to play in our league? All these guys are at the end of their career and maybe they are past it, just because they've played in the NHL doesn't make them great players at this stage in their career. Even the younger players that came over when there was the lockout didn't show anything to say they play in the NHL. I can remember the flyers signing a guy called Steve Gatzos who played 89 NHL games and 211 AHL games, he was absolutely rank rotten as he was at the end of his career and was wearing a knee brace due to an injury occurred earlier in his career. You cant seriously be putting Meyer Keith McIver of today into the same bracket as Gatzos a guy who played for Flyers 25 years ago?? The guy who turned up halfway through our relegation season which was a nightmare by the time he arrived yet he still put up a shed load of points in a handful of games. Meyer Keith we have seen and they are good players. I am willing to bet they will all be very good for the Clan even Jackman and Brooks despite their age. Both guys are experienced pros who look after themselves, no different to someone like Frankie Morris. I guess time will tell once the season gets underway. Answer me this who out of Meyer Keith Jackman McIver Holt Brooks Leavitt would you have been disappointed in if Flyers had signed them. oh the average age of the 9 with AHL games is 31. I remember Flyers signing a guy at 36 a few years back with NHL experience and he turned out to be pretty good....Doug Smail! Wonder if we all thought "why is he coming here" or if he was past it. I'm pretty sure Braehead will have done their homework before bringing these guys in. You seem to be missing a couple of points that I'm making. 1/ Just a few seasons ago we had a few NHL guys in the league, the guy at Nottingham was rubbish the games I seen him and the guy at Coventry didn't look great either (He stood out Last season and was one of the highest point scorers in his team). These guys were young, not has beens. Point is that just because you've played in the NHL, this doesn't make you a great player over here. 2/ What difference does it make if it was 25 years ago or now, the NHL is supposed to be the best league in the world. Gatzos got 35 points in the show, but by the time he got to the Flyers he was finished. How much points have all the Braehead guys got when they've been in the NHL. 3/ Doug Smail had come straight from the NHL to the flyers, when was the last time these guys played in the show. 4/ Out of the guys at Braehead, I would only have Holt and Leavitt. Would rather have young hungry players over any has been who is only over here to push up the bank balance.
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Post by waterboy on Jul 24, 2015 13:29:33 GMT
You cant seriously be putting Meyer Keith McIver of today into the same bracket as Gatzos a guy who played for Flyers 25 years ago?? The guy who turned up halfway through our relegation season which was a nightmare by the time he arrived yet he still put up a shed load of points in a handful of games. Meyer Keith we have seen and they are good players. I am willing to bet they will all be very good for the Clan even Jackman and Brooks despite their age. Both guys are experienced pros who look after themselves, no different to someone like Frankie Morris. I guess time will tell once the season gets underway. Answer me this who out of Meyer Keith Jackman McIver Holt Brooks Leavitt would you have been disappointed in if Flyers had signed them. oh the average age of the 9 with AHL games is 31. I remember Flyers signing a guy at 36 a few years back with NHL experience and he turned out to be pretty good....Doug Smail! Wonder if we all thought "why is he coming here" or if he was past it. I'm pretty sure Braehead will have done their homework before bringing these guys in. You seem to be missing a couple of points that I'm making. 1/ Just a few seasons ago we had a few NHL guys in the league, the guy at Nottingham was rubbish the games I seen him and the guy at Coventry didn't look great either (He stood out Last season and was one of the highest point scorers in his team). These guys were young, not has beens. Point is that just because you've played in the NHL, this doesn't make you a great player over here. 2/ What difference does it make if it was 25 years ago or now, the NHL is supposed to be the best league in the world. Gatzos got 35 points in the show, but by the time he got to the Flyers he was finished. How much points have all the Braehead guys got when they've been in the NHL. 3/ Doug Smail had come straight from the NHL to the flyers, when was the last time these guys played in the show. 4/ Out of the guys at Braehead, I would only have Holt and Leavitt. Would rather have young hungry players over any has been who is only over here to push up the bank balance. 1. Matt Beleskey the guy who just signed for the Boston Bruins for $19,000,000 over 5 years. Yup clearly a dud!! A good few EIHL fans thought he was very good some considering him as top 3 to have played in the league, there was a topic on the hockey forum a while back discussing this. The guys playing in the NHL are generally role players, coming to a league to be asked to be the star player just isn't in some players make up, doesn't make them a bad player. Braehead have 9 guys - half their team with experience at the AHL level. you must admit that this does put them in a very strong place in our league. 2.The point is that Gatzos played in the NHL in the early 80's when points were scored at a faster rate than they are today. The game has developed and moved on massively since then. Goalies are far better players are bigger stronger and fitter. How many 80's NHL players trained all year round and thought about Nutrition. Sport in general has moved on in the last 30 years. These guys are far better and more prepared than they were 25/30 years ago. Hence why when they hit 30 they are still fit enough to play and not broken and looking for an paid Holiday. 3. Not sure what difference that makes, Smail was 36 coming from the top league in the world to the British Heineken League. I will give a different comparison then Daniel Goneau played 53 NHL GP 244 AHL GP and played for the Flyers for one season in the BNL. He was a terrific player for us, that's the calibre we were signing 10 years ago and that's what the Clan are doing now. 4. Meyer Keith Jackman McIver Brooks Pitt Fritsch are all past it then??? Going to make a bold statement here but I will say you are very wrong with that. These guys together as a team will finish way higher than us. As it stands their imports are of a higher quality than ours (on paper) I don't think to many Flyers fans would mind swapping for a few more of their guys. We will see as the season goes who is right!
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Post by coloradoflyer on Jul 24, 2015 14:17:00 GMT
There is no doubting the strength of the clan on paper a couple of interesting variables to take into account. The CHL took a lot out of Nottingham last year will this have an affect on the Clan I think it might. The fixture list. They don't have a home game in their first 8 and have less games at home on a Saturday which may affect their energy levels. I also think we cannot compare until we fully know how we will shape up. Bryan Pitton in nets. 2 first line forwards to come to play on the line centred by Dingle and a 3rd line forward. Plus another D man. 5 signings still to come that will dictate how we perform this season. Also the game is not played on paper nobody thought Dundee would win the Gardiner with the team they had but they did. All will be to play for over the next 8 months so is pitton signed then or are we still guessing he is
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Post by scoles1 on Jul 24, 2015 14:53:32 GMT
We could only wish to have a roster shaping up like braehead. And that hurts saying that.
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Post by nm1 on Jul 24, 2015 15:32:47 GMT
Clan have a better roster than us so far, end of. Any argument to suggest otherwise just sounds like petty jealousy. However we aren't finished, and may end up with a good team. I suspect a lot of this chemistry, good in the room etc is mostly luck. Success this season will be winning Gardiner conference, winning the Challenge cup or getting to playoff final. Do i fancy us to do any of those, not really.
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Post by flyer007 on Jul 24, 2015 16:32:58 GMT
There is no doubting the strength of the clan on paper a couple of interesting variables to take into account. The CHL took a lot out of Nottingham last year will this have an affect on the Clan I think it might. The fixture list. They don't have a home game in their first 8 and have less games at home on a Saturday which may affect their energy levels. I also think we cannot compare until we fully know how we will shape up. Bryan Pitton in nets. 2 first line forwards to come to play on the line centred by Dingle and a 3rd line forward. Plus another D man. 5 signings still to come that will dictate how we perform this season. Also the game is not played on paper nobody thought Dundee would win the Gardiner with the team they had but they did. All will be to play for over the next 8 months so is pitton signed then or are we still guessing he is Still rumour as far as I know. I am hoping it's true though
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Post by amazepux on Jul 24, 2015 16:56:58 GMT
Fantastic discussion here about Braeheids calibre of signngs..I agree with both viewpoints to some extent..they are high quality on paper and Braehead will have to balance this against euro hockey...some of these guys may be short term dependant on any euro-cup run. The Panthers struggled with this balance last year. I think the best way forward is to balance some quality experience with younger hungry players with ambition...so far we've got the second hungry bit...it is a risk bringing in too nany ex nhl/ahl players imo..there may be coasters and egos and i think its true that some may not be able to adapt their specific role and apply it to elite league...i suppose thats where mgt skills come in...maybe we've got a couple of experienced guys already signed...along with BPitts?
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Post by flyersforlife01 on Jul 24, 2015 17:13:00 GMT
You seem to be missing a couple of points that I'm making. 1/ Just a few seasons ago we had a few NHL guys in the league, the guy at Nottingham was rubbish the games I seen him and the guy at Coventry didn't look great either (He stood out Last season and was one of the highest point scorers in his team). These guys were young, not has beens. Point is that just because you've played in the NHL, this doesn't make you a great player over here. 2/ What difference does it make if it was 25 years ago or now, the NHL is supposed to be the best league in the world. Gatzos got 35 points in the show, but by the time he got to the Flyers he was finished. How much points have all the Braehead guys got when they've been in the NHL. 3/ Doug Smail had come straight from the NHL to the flyers, when was the last time these guys played in the show. 4/ Out of the guys at Braehead, I would only have Holt and Leavitt. Would rather have young hungry players over any has been who is only over here to push up the bank balance. 1. Matt Beleskey the guy who just signed for the Boston Bruins for $19,000,000 over 5 years. Yup clearly a dud!! A good few EIHL fans thought he was very good some considering him as top 3 to have played in the league, there was a topic on the hockey forum a while back discussing this. The guys playing in the NHL are generally role players, coming to a league to be asked to be the star player just isn't in some players make up, doesn't make them a bad player. Braehead have 9 guys - half their team with experience at the AHL level. you must admit that this does put them in a very strong place in our league. 2.The point is that Gatzos played in the NHL in the early 80's when points were scored at a faster rate than they are today. The game has developed and moved on massively since then. Goalies are far better players are bigger stronger and fitter. How many 80's NHL players trained all year round and thought about Nutrition. Sport in general has moved on in the last 30 years. These guys are far better and more prepared than they were 25/30 years ago. Hence why when they hit 30 they are still fit enough to play and not broken and looking for an paid Holiday. 3. Not sure what difference that makes, Smail was 36 coming from the top league in the world to the British Heineken League. I will give a different comparison then Daniel Goneau played 53 NHL GP 244 AHL GP and played for the Flyers for one season in the BNL. He was a terrific player for us, that's the calibre we were signing 10 years ago and that's what the Clan are doing now. 4. Meyer Keith Jackman McIver Brooks Pitt Fritsch are all past it then??? Going to make a bold statement here but I will say you are very wrong with that. These guys together as a team will finish way higher than us. As it stands their imports are of a higher quality than ours (on paper) I don't think to many Flyers fans would mind swapping for a few more of their guys. We will see as the season goes who is right! Let's put it in another term then, who would you rather have? Kyle Haines or Drew Bannister, I know who I would rather have. Casey Haines or Meyer/Keith, I know who I would rather have. Just because you've played NHL doesn't mean your going to be a star over here. If you seen Matt Beleskey when he was in the uk, do you honestly think he would be worth that type of contract.
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Post by yzerman19 on Jul 24, 2015 18:00:12 GMT
Clan will win the league this season! As a Fife fan for 25 years I would love us to be in the mix with the big boys but that's never going to happen in this era.
A successful season would be us making the playoffs in Nottingham.
We need to finish our hits, every single player needs to do this. I know from experience of playing if I got hit hard one shift next time it does cross your mind about going in hard again in the corners. We seem to never hit, Fulton did do it then stopped after 10 or so games.
I just want to see some good hockey this season because last season wasn't the most entertaining I've seen at Fife ice rink
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Post by jrismahero on Jul 24, 2015 18:44:17 GMT
clan will finish in top 4 but dont think they will win league, all the southern teams have beefed up think Panthers will win it closley followed by Giants
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Post by zamboni on Jul 24, 2015 18:46:48 GMT
Clan will win the league this season! As a Fife fan for 25 years I would love us to be in the mix with the big boys but that's never going to happen in this era. A successful season would be us making the playoffs in Nottingham. We need to finish our hits, every single player needs to do this. I know from experience of playing if I got hit hard one shift next time it does cross your mind about going in hard again in the corners. We seem to never hit, Fulton did do it then stopped after 10 or so games. I just want to see some good hockey this season because last season wasn't the most entertaining I've seen at Fife ice rink Clan will be in the mix but I think your looking through purple goggles there is 5 other teams that have built strong squads until you see these units in action it pure guessing at this point, throwing money at a project doesn't always work, look at Westgarth big name on a paid holiday and a healthy scratch at last seasons play offs
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