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Post by sparkymark75 on May 23, 2015 10:28:46 GMT
So we're pretty much going with the same set of Brits then? Yet again our lack of ambition is being shown up by a club with a "smaller" budget. Doesn't always come down to budget. A young guy like Moore,looking to put himself in the shop window, probably made his decision for hockey reasons. Maybe felt his opportunities for playing and learning from players/coaches who could continue his development was better in Dundee. Which is just as damning an indictment of how the club is perceived/ran.
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Post by zamboni on May 23, 2015 13:18:50 GMT
Doesn't always come down to budget. A young guy like Moore,looking to put himself in the shop window, probably made his decision for hockey reasons. Maybe felt his opportunities for playing and learning from players/coaches who could continue his development was better in Dundee. Which is just as damning an indictment of how the club is perceived/ran. Until you see what the full squad is how can you criticise anything? There is a famous Fife saying about complaining about something until it is finished....
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Post by fifer21 on May 23, 2015 19:15:19 GMT
So we're pretty much going with the same set of Brits then? Yet again our lack of ambition is being shown up by a club with a "smaller" budget. How do you know this? Has Todd told you were going with the same Brits? Was informed it came down to money, Tam Muir offered him peanuts so he went to Dundee, also been told beanie going back to kestrels has he is fed up with A. the fact flyers yet to speak to him B. lack of ice time
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Post by langtouner on May 23, 2015 19:32:25 GMT
I agree there should of been an offer in but we need to make better offers we can certainly outbid Dundee and Edinburgh for a signature I would bet we were not prepared to offer a full time contract and Dundee were. TM doesn't seem to want to pay Brits much more than a hundred quid a week.
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Post by flyer31 on May 23, 2015 20:07:56 GMT
I agree there should of been an offer in but we need to make better offers we can certainly outbid Dundee and Edinburgh for a signature I would bet we were not prepared to offer a full time contract and Dundee were. TM doesn't seem to want to pay Brits much more than a hundred quid a week. That's what I've been saying all along, it isn't the coaches Thats holding us back it's lack of ambition by the owners.
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Post by finchy on May 23, 2015 21:14:06 GMT
I sometimes stick up for the club,but have to say Craig Moore signing for Stars has alarm bells going off in my head. I know for sure that he wanted to come back to the UK and continue his further education and was talking to 'a few clubs' but surely Flyers should have been in pole position and it's a massive chance missed? Even with a full quota and this guy we'd be improving ourselves considerably? Can't see it would have broken the bank either and it's supposedly the owners mission to have Fifers playing for Flyers! If we'd lost out to a southern team or even Braehead I might have understood but a team with a 3rd of our support?
Stars have re-signed Dolan and will most likely have a full quota of imports- I doubt Moore will have a bigger role there than in Fife if he'd come here so what is the problem?
I don't ever want to criticising our local boys but Todd has 3 or 4 of them that he clearly doesn't trust to put out on the ice. If we end up signing these lads again for a FIFTH year (and none of them are youngsters) we're really not progressing. Hope I'm wrong and there's something up our sleeves but I just don't see any other available Brits out there that can come in and improve us. If we also go with less than a full quota then we're in serious trouble.
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Post by langtouner on May 23, 2015 21:38:34 GMT
I would bet we were not prepared to offer a full time contract and Dundee were. TM doesn't seem to want to pay Brits much more than a hundred quid a week. That's what I've been saying all along, it isn't the coaches Thats holding us back it's lack of ambition by the owners. Agree completely. Owner is stuck in the SNL and we are being overtaken by everyone else.
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Post by flyer31 on May 23, 2015 21:41:03 GMT
I sometimes stick up for the club,but have to say Craig Moore signing for Stars has alarm bells going off in my head. I know for sure that he wanted to come back to the UK and continue his further education and was talking to 'a few clubs' but surely Flyers should have been in pole position and it's a massive chance missed? Even with a full quota and this guy we'd be improving ourselves considerably? Can't see it would have broken the bank either and it's supposedly the owners mission to have Fifers playing for Flyers! If we'd lost out to a southern team or even Braehead I might have understood but a team with a 3rd of our support? Stars have re-signed Dolan and will most likely have a full quota of imports- I doubt Moore will have a bigger role there than in Fife if he'd come here so what is the problem? I don't ever want to criticising our local boys but Todd has 3 or 4 of them that he clearly doesn't trust to put out on the ice. If we end up signing these lads again for a FIFTH year (and none of them are youngsters) we're really not progressing. Hope I'm wrong and there's something up our sleeves but I just don't see any other available Brits out there that can come in and improve us. If we also go with less than a full quota then we're in serious trouble. Excellent post.
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Post by langtouner on May 23, 2015 21:45:01 GMT
I sometimes stick up for the club,but have to say Craig Moore signing for Stars has alarm bells going off in my head. I know for sure that he wanted to come back to the UK and continue his further education and was talking to 'a few clubs' but surely Flyers should have been in pole position and it's a massive chance missed? Even with a full quota and this guy we'd be improving ourselves considerably? Can't see it would have broken the bank either and it's supposedly the owners mission to have Fifers playing for Flyers! If we'd lost out to a southern team or even Braehead I might have understood but a team with a 3rd of our support? Stars have re-signed Dolan and will most likely have a full quota of imports- I doubt Moore will have a bigger role there than in Fife if he'd come here so what is the problem? I don't ever want to criticising our local boys but Todd has 3 or 4 of them that he clearly doesn't trust to put out on the ice. If we end up signing these lads again for a FIFTH year (and none of them are youngsters) we're really not progressing. Hope I'm wrong and there's something up our sleeves but I just don't see any other available Brits out there that can come in and improve us. If we also go with less than a full quota then we're in serious trouble. I'm afraid you are not wrong. This is a business that has no plan beyond next week, if it even has a plan at all. He is not thinking about how the ageing Brits will be replaced, he'll cross that bridge when he comes to it, but to qualify as a Brit to play for the Flyers, you'll need to be prepared to sign a part time contract for not much more than a fish supper and sit on your **** for the season!
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Post by riverrat on May 23, 2015 21:50:45 GMT
Do the directors get involved in individual contract negotiations? I always imagined they would give the coaches a budget and let them get on with it.
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Post by flyer31 on May 23, 2015 22:22:46 GMT
Do the directors get involved in individual contract negotiations? I always imagined they would give the coaches a budget and let them get on with it. [/qu ote] That's how it should be, but the impression you get is that TM has the last word.
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Post by nobabody on May 23, 2015 23:11:39 GMT
I sometimes stick up for the club,but have to say Craig Moore signing for Stars has alarm bells going off in my head. I know for sure that he wanted to come back to the UK and continue his further education and was talking to 'a few clubs' but surely Flyers should have been in pole position and it's a massive chance missed? Even with a full quota and this guy we'd be improving ourselves considerably? Can't see it would have broken the bank either and it's supposedly the owners mission to have Fifers playing for Flyers! If we'd lost out to a southern team or even Braehead I might have understood but a team with a 3rd of our support? Stars have re-signed Dolan and will most likely have a full quota of imports- I doubt Moore will have a bigger role there than in Fife if he'd come here so what is the problem? I don't ever want to criticising our local boys but Todd has 3 or 4 of them that he clearly doesn't trust to put out on the ice. If we end up signing these lads again for a FIFTH year (and none of them are youngsters) we're really not progressing. Hope I'm wrong and there's something up our sleeves but I just don't see any other available Brits out there that can come in and improve us. If we also go with less than a full quota then we're in serious trouble. If you're right, then my 70 mile round trip won't be getting made every Saturday, only the novelty of elite League kept me coming defeat after defeat in season 1, season 2 saw us take a step forward, season 3 had it's ups and downs and finished on a high, season 4 up and down, some great results but ultimately failed to live up to expectations, but hey thats sport. But if we're signing the same Brit core (minus Horne), not icing them, showing no improvement, hearing the same old excuses from the coaches, then gamecentrelive and premiersports will get my attention more Saturdays evenings than not
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Post by zamboni on May 24, 2015 5:49:50 GMT
I sometimes stick up for the club,but have to say Craig Moore signing for Stars has alarm bells going off in my head. I know for sure that he wanted to come back to the UK and continue his further education and was talking to 'a few clubs' but surely Flyers should have been in pole position and it's a massive chance missed? Even with a full quota and this guy we'd be improving ourselves considerably? Can't see it would have broken the bank either and it's supposedly the owners mission to have Fifers playing for Flyers! If we'd lost out to a southern team or even Braehead I might have understood but a team with a 3rd of our support? Stars have re-signed Dolan and will most likely have a full quota of imports- I doubt Moore will have a bigger role there than in Fife if he'd come here so what is the problem? I don't ever want to criticising our local boys but Todd has 3 or 4 of them that he clearly doesn't trust to put out on the ice. If we end up signing these lads again for a FIFTH year (and none of them are youngsters) we're really not progressing. Hope I'm wrong and there's something up our sleeves but I just don't see any other available Brits out there that can come in and improve us. If we also go with less than a full quota then we're in serious trouble. Finchy agree with what your saying but we don't know what the full package on offer was the further education bit might have just clinched it, Dundee has local Universities and maybe the combination of studying and daily practice/ playing in the City and cutting out the travel clinched it, on paper Dundee have had arguably more success in the EIHL than Fife, is a Conference win better than a Quarter final appearance at Nottingham? The players wont care much about the size of fan following as long as they get the deal they are prepared to accept. The young lads heart would be to play in Fife but his head is telling him Dundee as the all round better package for him personally I suspect. Anybody got pals at St-Andrews Uni that could make 6 places available now that has to be attractive?
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Post by ronniemac on May 24, 2015 16:46:01 GMT
Craig wanted to sign for Fife and money was no stumbling block but a serious lack of interest didn't help, Stars moved quicker ....end of story.
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Post by finchy on May 24, 2015 17:18:47 GMT
I fully agree that Stars may well be able to offer study sponsorship and the lad would have simply been taking the offer he felt most comfortable with. If anything it makes it more galling. Why do we not have these options available to players after all this time?
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