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Post by harlan on Aug 23, 2015 8:01:43 GMT
There are youtube videos of Paquet, Fox, Rioux, Lee and Stockton all standing up for their team mates when required. I also haven't seen any tweets from imports saying that they will be here next Tuesday so if you can share where you have seen these it will be appreciated. I have seen a tweet from Fox saying that he will be here on Sun and I know that Paquet, Lee and Dingle are here then as well. I do agree about the depth and it will be interesting to see how we cope with that and what we do when we need to do it Number of fights as a pro (stats from drop your gloves) Paquet 3 Fox 4 Lee 4 Dingle 4 Caig 5 Rioux 3 Cullen 1 Dorr 0 Haines 2 Stockton 0 Delahey 2 These don't include any fights in junior but the only guy with any decent number is Delahey with 17. To me this suggests that we don't really have guys who get to involved in fighting perhaps they didn't need to as their teams always had others to take care of that. Flyers have tweeted today that the imports don't arrive until next week, Fox tweeted last sunday that he leaves for Scotland in 9 days- so that has him arriving on Tuesday. Cardiff are starting pre season games tonight. We are already behind other teams as we approach the new season, not exactly the best way to begin but thats just my opinion. Yeah and drop your gloves is a very valuable source of information! Like every website it relies on fans to update it on a regular basis and I wouldn't trust it one bit I am not saying we have a team of fighters but we do have a number of guys who can take care of themselves and that IMO is much better than having to rely on just 1 guy who is going to be stupid enough to continually get himself suspended time after time. When Janssen gets himself banned for 9 games this season it won't make a blind bit of difference to Nottingham but for us having anybody sit out for any length of time id huge and I would rather have different people being able to stand up for the team than the refs having just 1 person to target. Fox tweeted on Aug 14th that he leaves for Scotland in 9 days that makes it today that he comes, he reaffirmed that yesterday. He will be here today. The only one that is going to not be here either today or tomorrow is Rioux The only teams we are behind are Clan, Devils and Steelers but we will have a full week on the ice, more or less, with all of the guys being able to skate whenever they want
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Post by swarfiga on Aug 23, 2015 8:07:59 GMT
Number of fights as a pro (stats from drop your gloves) Paquet 3 Fox 4 Lee 4 Dingle 4 Caig 5 Rioux 3 Cullen 1 Dorr 0 Haines 2 Stockton 0 Delahey 2 These don't include any fights in junior but the only guy with any decent number is Delahey with 17. To me this suggests that we don't really have guys who get to involved in fighting perhaps they didn't need to as their teams always had others to take care of that. Flyers have tweeted today that the imports don't arrive until next week, Fox tweeted last sunday that he leaves for Scotland in 9 days- so that has him arriving on Tuesday. Cardiff are starting pre season games tonight. We are already behind other teams as we approach the new season, not exactly the best way to begin but thats just my opinion. Yeah and drop your gloves is a very valuable source of information! Like every website it relies on fans to update it on a regular basis and I wouldn't trust it one bit I am not saying we have a team of fighters but we do have a number of guys who can take care of themselves and that IMO is much better than having to rely on just 1 guy who is going to be stupid enough to continually get himself suspended time after time. When Janssen gets himself banned for 9 games this season it won't make a blind bit of difference to Nottingham but for us having anybody sit out for any length of time id huge and I would rather have different people being able to stand up for the team than the refs having just 1 person to target. Fox tweeted on Aug 14th that he leaves for Scotland in 9 days that makes it today that he comes, he reaffirmed that yesterday. He will be here today. The only one that is going to not be here either today or tomorrow is Rioux The only teams we are behind are Clan, Devils and Steelers but we will have a full week on the ice, more or less, with all of the guys being able to skate whenever they want Your confidence is admirable Harlan
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Post by harlan on Aug 23, 2015 8:10:00 GMT
This year we have upgraded on every position except in goals. Imagine this team with Regan or pitts in goals.. I think we could maybe challange the clan for the conference. Not a chance with Brown Regan and Pitts are game winners, brown isn't Hope I'm proved wrong Brown came to Fife and won twice last season and very nearly took Hull to the play off finals behind a D and a team that gave up a helluva lot of chances, the only netminder that had more ice time and faced more shots than him was Stewart at Coventry. We won't need to rely on Brown as much as we did Pitton or Regan as with this team I don't see him having to do as much work as either of them did as we have a much more solid looking D in front of him than we have had since we came into the league
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Post by harlan on Aug 23, 2015 8:40:23 GMT
This year we have upgraded on every position except in goals. Imagine this team with Regan or pitts in goals.. I think we could maybe challange the clan for the conference. Not a chance with Brown Regan and Pitts are game winners, brown isn't Hope I'm proved wrong Even with Regan or Pitts in goal the Flyers would be no where near Braehead. Brown is not the weak link in this team I'm afraid. He led Hill to the playoff weekend, Flyers didn't even make the finals so he can't be that bad. The league as a whole has improved from last year (Including Flyers). On paper 'I feel' that Flyers are not as strong as the other teams and will be lucky to beat Edinburgh. I really feel that Todd is out of touch with the league and hockey for that matter. I think Bobby and Ned will both have good seasons playing under a more professional coaching system. Both decent players but they shy away from the physical side and Todd thought Dump and chase was a good tactic? Saying that, Im not sure he knows any other tactics. Without opening up the enforcer debate, I've seen a few people say that the team have players that are prepared to drop the gloves etc. No point dropping the gloves if you are getting beat. The fighting part of the game is about 'enforcing'. Not going to enforce anything taking a pasting from a true heavyweight. I'll probably be portrayed as being negative for this post and that would be very accurate. Not one thing this summer has made me feel positive about the season ahead and I challenge anyone to highlight any posistives. I'd be very interesting to see what others view as positive. In my view the final signing was a chance to put all the wrongs right and announce someone exciting that will make people excited for the pre-season friendly. But once you 'Copy and paste' the link for Rioux' stats (why they don't put in a live link in the press realise is beyond me), its just another average player to round of an off-season of signing average players. I think I'll give the game a miss next week and judge from game reports whether its worth spending time and money on watching this team I too have reservations but I don't share the majority of your views. I have no idea what you mean by positive is but to me it's a positive thing that for the first time we are starting with a full compliment of imports and not handicapping ourselves right from the start. 13 imports will be wearing Flyers jerseys on Sept 5, compared to the last 4 seasons that is huge I also don't see that we have signed average players. We look like we have a team this year, emphasis on team, rather than a bunch of individuals and a very "fluid" team as it looks like all 3 centres can play on any of the lines and all 4 wingers can play first or second line and we also have a guy in Dorr that looks like he is capable of putting up numbers like Chaumont did but he will do that mostly from the second line I think. We aren't going to win the league, we never will. Not in my lifetime anyway but we should be challenging for conference, challenge cup and play offs on a regular basis. I don't think that you are negative, maybe you are the realistic one and I am the blinkered one, time will tell with that. What I do know though is that like the majority of people that follow this club we are both passionate about it and want the best for it and like everybody else we know that we could probably do a lot of things better if we were in charge
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Post by sparkymark75 on Aug 23, 2015 10:31:10 GMT
I also think Todd is under massive pressure this year, and if it doesn't work could be his last. Last year the buzzword was upgrade and that turned out to be nonsense. This year it's team toughness..... so what happens when fitzgerald, jansen, nickerson, clarkson, emmerson, jackman (the list goes on) runs the goalie..... with all due respect to our current squad anyone who steps up to tackle one of those guys could be in for a serious injury. Are we relying on referees and DOPS to keep teams on the straight and narrow.....really...... My suspicion, and I hope I'm wrong, is we'll struggle....again....we'll also not be providing the entertaining winning fisticuffs of the last 2 seasons and crowds will drop, then we may see changes. Due to our lack of imagination I wouldn't be surprised to see a 6'5 guy with a beard before the end of the season! I really hope I'm wrong but my confidence in the team is a little low after one and a half poor seasons in the last 2, just my opinion mind. Funnily enough, we had an enforcer for one and a half of those last two poor seasons you refer to and it didn't seem to do us much good with regards the league or conference did it? I'm sure I also saw a statistic from last season which showed we had one of the lowest number of fights. If people only go to the hockey to watch the fights, they they need to think about watching a different sport.
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Post by waterboy on Aug 23, 2015 10:35:39 GMT
Number of fights as a pro (stats from drop your gloves) Paquet 3 Fox 4 Lee 4 Dingle 4 Caig 5 Rioux 3 Cullen 1 Dorr 0 Haines 2 Stockton 0 Delahey 2 These don't include any fights in junior but the only guy with any decent number is Delahey with 17. To me this suggests that we don't really have guys who get to involved in fighting perhaps they didn't need to as their teams always had others to take care of that. Flyers have tweeted today that the imports don't arrive until next week, Fox tweeted last sunday that he leaves for Scotland in 9 days- so that has him arriving on Tuesday. Cardiff are starting pre season games tonight. We are already behind other teams as we approach the new season, not exactly the best way to begin but thats just my opinion. Yeah and drop your gloves is a very valuable source of information! Like every website it relies on fans to update it on a regular basis and I wouldn't trust it one bit I am not saying we have a team of fighters but we do have a number of guys who can take care of themselves and that IMO is much better than having to rely on just 1 guy who is going to be stupid enough to continually get himself suspended time after time. When Janssen gets himself banned for 9 games this season it won't make a blind bit of difference to Nottingham but for us having anybody sit out for any length of time id huge and I would rather have different people being able to stand up for the team than the refs having just 1 person to target. Fox tweeted on Aug 14th that he leaves for Scotland in 9 days that makes it today that he comes, he reaffirmed that yesterday. He will be here today. The only one that is going to not be here either today or tomorrow is Rioux The only teams we are behind are Clan, Devils and Steelers but we will have a full week on the ice, more or less, with all of the guys being able to skate whenever they want Harlan you seem determined to prove me wrong, this thread is asking what I think. I have answered what I expect to see (hope I'm wrong) and the fact is nothing jumps out to me that we have signed players that will all stand up and be counted when the time comes. Looking at these guys games in the ECHL last season the game sheets on the ECHL website confirm exactly what drop your gloves put up. If these guys do all stand up and defend each other I will be really happy but I just don't see it. It looks more like Todd is still trying to replicate what Mo did back in the BNL and beat teams on the power play and not take penalties. Times have changed in in the EIHL today that won't work. Look as far as I'm concerned imports arriving late today or tomorrow is to late they should have been here last week, like it or not I see that as a mistake that puts us behind other teams. Coventry have been tweeting pics of their imports arriving last week and Matt Nickerson is already in Belfast as is the rest of his team. They have been training with Colin Shields at his gym in Belfast the past week (check out his twitter feed) they started their pre season camp on the 14th. Nottingham started their camp last week. So thats Clan Steelers Devils Panthers and Giants that we are behind in preparations for the season. Will be interesting to see the fitness levels of the 2 teams when we play Belfast in 6 days they have been training for a week already we ares still waiting on guys getting in the country. The fact that they will be 10 days ahead of the Flyers in training will show, but we will just accept the same lines from Todd after the game "they have been on the ice longer, its good to see what out guys will be able to do once they get up to speed and full fitness" etc etc.
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Post by redtussell44 on Aug 23, 2015 10:40:52 GMT
I also think Todd is under massive pressure this year, and if it doesn't work could be his last. Last year the buzzword was upgrade and that turned out to be nonsense. This year it's team toughness..... so what happens when fitzgerald, jansen, nickerson, clarkson, emmerson, jackman (the list goes on) runs the goalie..... with all due respect to our current squad anyone who steps up to tackle one of those guys could be in for a serious injury. Are we relying on referees and DOPS to keep teams on the straight and narrow.....really...... My suspicion, and I hope I'm wrong, is we'll struggle....again....we'll also not be providing the entertaining winning fisticuffs of the last 2 seasons and crowds will drop, then we may see changes. Due to our lack of imagination I wouldn't be surprised to see a 6'5 guy with a beard before the end of the season! I really hope I'm wrong but my confidence in the team is a little low after one and a half poor seasons in the last 2, just my opinion mind. Funnily enough, we had an enforcer for one and a half of those last two poor seasons you refer to and it didn't seem to do us much good with regards the league or conference did it? I'm sure I also saw a statistic from last season which showed we had one of the lowest number of fights. If people only go to the hockey to watch the fights, they they need to think about watching a different sport. Low number of fights.... Now why would that be? Oh maybe because we had the best enforcer in the league? How many times did opposition players turned Nicker down? He practically had to chase big Clarkson to fight him. Always kept the opposition in check. And now we don't have that. So please, kept proving me right that you don't know the concept of an enforcer. Maybe you should think about watching another sport.
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Post by sparkymark75 on Aug 23, 2015 10:43:50 GMT
Yeah and drop your gloves is a very valuable source of information! Like every website it relies on fans to update it on a regular basis and I wouldn't trust it one bit I am not saying we have a team of fighters but we do have a number of guys who can take care of themselves and that IMO is much better than having to rely on just 1 guy who is going to be stupid enough to continually get himself suspended time after time. When Janssen gets himself banned for 9 games this season it won't make a blind bit of difference to Nottingham but for us having anybody sit out for any length of time id huge and I would rather have different people being able to stand up for the team than the refs having just 1 person to target. Fox tweeted on Aug 14th that he leaves for Scotland in 9 days that makes it today that he comes, he reaffirmed that yesterday. He will be here today. The only one that is going to not be here either today or tomorrow is Rioux The only teams we are behind are Clan, Devils and Steelers but we will have a full week on the ice, more or less, with all of the guys being able to skate whenever they want Harlan you seem determined to prove me wrong, this thread is asking what I think. I have answered what I expect to see (hope I'm wrong) and the fact is nothing jumps out to me that we have signed players that will all stand up and be counted when the time comes. Looking at these guys games in the ECHL last season the game sheets on the ECHL website confirm exactly what drop your gloves put up. If these guys do all stand up and defend each other I will be really happy but I just don't see it. It looks more like Todd is still trying to replicate what Mo did back in the BNL and beat teams on the power play and not take penalties. Times have changed in in the EIHL today that won't work.Look as far as I'm concerned imports arriving late today or tomorrow is to late they should have been here last week, like it or not I see that as a mistake that puts us behind other teams. Coventry have been tweeting pics of their imports arriving last week and Matt Nickerson is already in Belfast as is the rest of his team. They have been training with Colin Shields at his gym in Belfast the past week (check out his twitter feed) they started their pre season camp on the 14th. Nottingham started their camp last week. So thats Clan Steelers Devils Panthers and Giants that we are behind in preparations for the season. Will be interesting to see the fitness levels of the 2 teams when we play Belfast in 6 days they have been training for a week already we ares still waiting on guys getting in the country. The fact that they will be 10 days ahead of the Flyers in training will show, but we will just accept the same lines from Todd after the game "they have been on the ice longer, its good to see what out guys will be able to do once they get up to speed and full fitness" etc etc. Indeed they have, the higher levels of the sport are doing away with the "enforcer" role and most teams in Europe don't even have one.
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Post by sparkymark75 on Aug 23, 2015 10:47:03 GMT
Funnily enough, we had an enforcer for one and a half of those last two poor seasons you refer to and it didn't seem to do us much good with regards the league or conference did it? I'm sure I also saw a statistic from last season which showed we had one of the lowest number of fights. If people only go to the hockey to watch the fights, they they need to think about watching a different sport. Low number of fights.... Now why would that be? Oh maybe because we had the best enforcer in the league? How many times did opposition players turned Nicker down? He practically had to chase big Clarkson to fight him. Always kept the opposition in check. And now we don't have that. So please, kept proving me right that you don't know the concept of an enforcer. Maybe you should think about watching another sport. I know exactly what the role of an enforcer is, but I go to the hockey to watch the hockey. As I already said, we had an enforcer for the last couple of seasons, and what good did it do us other than giving some fans the excitement of a potential circus show? Wasn't helped when the DJ played "Fear the Beard" every time he raised an eyebrow.
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Post by swarfiga on Aug 23, 2015 10:48:44 GMT
Low number of fights.... Now why would that be? Oh maybe because we had the best enforcer in the league? How many times did opposition players turned Nicker down? He practically had to chase big Clarkson to fight him. Always kept the opposition in check. And now we don't have that. So please, kept proving me right that you don't know the concept of an enforcer. Maybe you should think about watching another sport. I know exactly what the role of an enforcer is, but I go to the hockey to watch the hockey. As I already said, we had an enforcer for the last couple of seasons, and what good did it do us other than giving some fans the excitement of a potential circus show? Wasn't helped when the DJ played "Fear the Beard" every time he raised an eyebrow. There's the common thing, all things wrong with the flyers, sack him and I think we'll win the league!!! :;
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Post by mavor1987 on Aug 23, 2015 11:12:49 GMT
Low number of fights.... Now why would that be? Oh maybe because we had the best enforcer in the league? How many times did opposition players turned Nicker down? He practically had to chase big Clarkson to fight him. Always kept the opposition in check. And now we don't have that. So please, kept proving me right that you don't know the concept of an enforcer. Maybe you should think about watching another sport. I know exactly what the role of an enforcer is, but I go to the hockey to watch the hockey. As I already said, we had an enforcer for the last couple of seasons, and what good did it do us other than giving some fans the excitement of a potential circus show? Wasn't helped when the DJ played "Fear the Beard" every time he raised an eyebrow. Sparky has hit it on the head. Too many people have been fixated on who nickerson was going to lamp next. Lets face it the last two years it pretty much has been the nickerson show at FIA.
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Post by redtussell44 on Aug 23, 2015 11:39:03 GMT
I know exactly what the role of an enforcer is, but I go to the hockey to watch the hockey. As I already said, we had an enforcer for the last couple of seasons, and what good did it do us other than giving some fans the excitement of a potential circus show? Wasn't helped when the DJ played "Fear the Beard" every time he raised an eyebrow. Sparky has hit it on the head. Too many people have been fixated on who nickerson was going to lamp next. Lets face it the last two years it pretty much has been the nickerson show at FIA. First thing you need to do is climb out sparky's ****. It had been the Nickerson show, you know why? Flyers have never had a player like him before. Fans were all too familiar with players like Liddiard running riot in Kirkcaldy with zero repercussions. Not to forget he was also a solid D man. People forget that part. The night Nicker got kicked out for punching Jeff Smith behind the bench, there was a queue out the door for kids to get their picture with him. Where all the kids there to see him fight every week? Away from his on-ice duties he was one of the most approachable flyers to talk to. I went to the flyers most weeks to watch my team win, I also knew with Nicker on the team there would be no taking liberties against the flyers and if anyone got too close to Regan, Nicker was there. And I can't wait to see the look on people's faces when he comes to Kirkcaldy during the season and do the exact same against the flyers.
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Post by jambitink on Aug 23, 2015 11:59:23 GMT
I also think Todd is under massive pressure this year, and if it doesn't work could be his last. Last year the buzzword was upgrade and that turned out to be nonsense. This year it's team toughness..... so what happens when fitzgerald, jansen, nickerson, clarkson, emmerson, jackman (the list goes on) runs the goalie..... with all due respect to our current squad anyone who steps up to tackle one of those guys could be in for a serious injury. Are we relying on referees and DOPS to keep teams on the straight and narrow.....really...... My suspicion, and I hope I'm wrong, is we'll struggle....again....we'll also not be providing the entertaining winning fisticuffs of the last 2 seasons and crowds will drop, then we may see changes. Due to our lack of imagination I wouldn't be surprised to see a 6'5 guy with a beard before the end of the season! I really hope I'm wrong but my confidence in the team is a little low after one and a half poor seasons in the last 2, just my opinion mind. Funnily enough, we had an enforcer for one and a half of those last two poor seasons you refer to and it didn't seem to do us much good with regards the league or conference did it? I'm sure I also saw a statistic from last season which showed we had one of the lowest number of fights. If people only go to the hockey to watch the fights, they they need to think about watching a different sport. I don't go to the games to watch fights either but its hockey and the fact is a number of casual fans will go along to see a fight. So even from a commercial point of view it makes sense to have an enforcer. This has been discussed to death though. I agree with all nm1 said.
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Post by jambitink on Aug 23, 2015 12:03:14 GMT
Even with Regan or Pitts in goal the Flyers would be no where near Braehead. Brown is not the weak link in this team I'm afraid. He led Hill to the playoff weekend, Flyers didn't even make the finals so he can't be that bad. The league as a whole has improved from last year (Including Flyers). On paper 'I feel' that Flyers are not as strong as the other teams and will be lucky to beat Edinburgh. I really feel that Todd is out of touch with the league and hockey for that matter. I think Bobby and Ned will both have good seasons playing under a more professional coaching system. Both decent players but they shy away from the physical side and Todd thought Dump and chase was a good tactic? Saying that, Im not sure he knows any other tactics. Without opening up the enforcer debate, I've seen a few people say that the team have players that are prepared to drop the gloves etc. No point dropping the gloves if you are getting beat. The fighting part of the game is about 'enforcing'. Not going to enforce anything taking a pasting from a true heavyweight. I'll probably be portrayed as being negative for this post and that would be very accurate. Not one thing this summer has made me feel positive about the season ahead and I challenge anyone to highlight any posistives. I'd be very interesting to see what others view as positive. In my view the final signing was a chance to put all the wrongs right and announce someone exciting that will make people excited for the pre-season friendly. But once you 'Copy and paste' the link for Rioux' stats (why they don't put in a live link in the press realise is beyond me), its just another average player to round of an off-season of signing average players. I think I'll give the game a miss next week and judge from game reports whether its worth spending time and money on watching this team I too have reservations but I don't share the majority of your views. I have no idea what you mean by positive is but to me it's a positive thing that for the first time we are starting with a full compliment of imports and not handicapping ourselves right from the start. 13 imports will be wearing Flyers jerseys on Sept 5, compared to the last 4 seasons that is huge I also don't see that we have signed average players. We look like we have a team this year, emphasis on team, rather than a bunch of individuals and a very "fluid" team as it looks like all 3 centres can play on any of the lines and all 4 wingers can play first or second line and we also have a guy in Dorr that looks like he is capable of putting up numbers like Chaumont did but he will do that mostly from the second line I think. We aren't going to win the league, we never will. Not in my lifetime anyway but we should be challenging for conference, challenge cup and play offs on a regular basis. I don't think that you are negative, maybe you are the realistic one and I am the blinkered one, time will tell with that. What I do know though is that like the majority of people that follow this club we are both passionate about it and want the best for it and like everybody else we know that we could probably do a lot of things better if we were in charge I agree that starting the season with the full compliment of Imports is a bonus. Makes it all the more frustrating they won't get in another Brit that would be an upgrade on Gunn and the 3rd line wouldn't be such a weak link. Anyway, we all want the same thing at the end of the day, so hopefully a successful season and push for a trophy or two.
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Post by mavor1987 on Aug 23, 2015 14:40:09 GMT
Sparky has hit it on the head. Too many people have been fixated on who nickerson was going to lamp next. Lets face it the last two years it pretty much has been the nickerson show at FIA. First thing you need to do is climb out sparky's ****. It had been the Nickerson show, you know why? Flyers have never had a player like him before. Fans were all too familiar with players like Liddiard running riot in Kirkcaldy with zero repercussions. Not to forget he was also a solid D man. People forget that part. The night Nicker got kicked out for punching Jeff Smith behind the bench, there was a queue out the door for kids to get their picture with him. Where all the kids there to see him fight every week? Away from his on-ice duties he was one of the most approachable flyers to talk to. I went to the flyers most weeks to watch my team win, I also knew with Nicker on the team there would be no taking liberties against the flyers and if anyone got too close to Regan, Nicker was there. And I can't wait to see the look on people's faces when he comes to Kirkcaldy during the season and do the exact same against the flyers. Touchy touchy! Because i agree with someones point im crawling. You'll be at Clan and Caps games all season anyway!!
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