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Post by tackleberry on Nov 13, 2015 16:13:14 GMT
Interesting that Tod has came out and said that although it was an entertaining game he was a bit disappointed in aspects of our performance in the 8 - 3 win over Caps, " we were loose, we took too many chances " preferring the style of hockey we played in the 2 - 0 win over Clan. I'm sorry but whilst the win over Clan was big, for the first 50 mins of that game there was zilch to get excited about, if it had been against any other team a lot of the fans who frequent the bar might just have decided to stay in there during the third period. It is one thing not signing an enforcer to keep the fans entertained but to then prefer a negative style of hockey I fear he is becoming to Ice Hockey what Scrooge was to Christmas.
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Post by harlan on Nov 13, 2015 17:36:17 GMT
I have said on a few occasions that I never thought that this team was going to be an exciting team to watch and that I thought that we would see more one goal games with this team than we would see blow outs and nothing I have seen has really changed my mind with that. I think that Dutiaume has tried to model this years team on last years Clan, effective but far from flashy or exciting.
This then comes down to our, us the fans, mindset. Do we want a team to play run and gun hockey like Edinburgh are playing this year and the style that we have sort of been used to or do we want a team that will grind out one goal games and have an opportunity to win every night. Is it enough to win or do we have to win in a certain way and if so what way is that? Do we as fans need to change how we view hockey now with so many imports in the game, a thing that is only going to increase again next season. Are games going to be attritional and far less open as seasons go on?
I can see where Dutiaume is coming from with his view of the Capitals game because I thought we were getting a little over confident and trying things that we probably shouldn't have been trying when we were easily in front and that sometimes leads players to starting to do these sort of things every game and it becomes harder to rein them in from doing that on a weekly basis and that can lead to mistakes that can cost us games.
If we are playing in tight games such as the Clan game then every player knows that any mistake can cost that type of game so they are less likely to try anything "flashy" and more likely to stick to a game plan and that will hopefully bring more rewards and the more games players play like that the more likely they are to continue to play like that as the season progresses.
So do we want entertainment or do we want a winning team and can the two things exist in this league?
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Nov 13, 2015 17:36:53 GMT
Totally agree, the Edinburgh game is one of the few games I feel I actually was entertained with, if this is Todd's theory we will be playing to empty rink by end of the season, it's a really selfish attitude to play for his own rep rather than to entertain the fans and give them value for money, between the boring team style and lack of conversation opportunities due to the annoying fud on the microphone, I really can't say that I'm enjoying my night out at the hockey (and that's after 30 seasons)
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Post by tackleberry on Nov 13, 2015 21:55:02 GMT
I have said on a few occasions that I never thought that this team was going to be an exciting team to watch and that I thought that we would see more one goal games with this team than we would see blow outs and nothing I have seen has really changed my mind with that. I think that Dutiaume has tried to model this years team on last years Clan, effective but far from flashy or exciting. This then comes down to our, us the fans, mindset. Do we want a team to play run and gun hockey like Edinburgh are playing this year and the style that we have sort of been used to or do we want a team that will grind out one goal games and have an opportunity to win every night. Is it enough to win or do we have to win in a certain way and if so what way is that? Do we as fans need to change how we view hockey now with so many imports in the game, a thing that is only going to increase again next season. Are games going to be attritional and far less open as seasons go on? I can see where Dutiaume is coming from with his view of the Capitals game because I thought we were getting a little over confident and trying things that we probably shouldn't have been trying when we were easily in front and that sometimes leads players to starting to do these sort of things every game and it becomes harder to rein them in from doing that on a weekly basis and that can lead to mistakes that can cost us games. If we are playing in tight games such as the Clan game then every player knows that any mistake can cost that type of game so they are less likely to try anything "flashy" and more likely to stick to a game plan and that will hopefully bring more rewards and the more games players play like that the more likely they are to continue to play like that as the season progresses. So do we want entertainment or do we want a winning team and can the two things exist in this league? I respect your opinion Harlan, you obviously know your stuff, but I don't see how you can say that Tod has modelled this years team on the Clan of last season, the Clan last season had Fitzgerald, Salters and Frank in their line up, all tough players, we have none of that in our squad. Also if we want to rein the players in, preventing them from expressing themselves, maybe showing a bit of individual skill when we are winning easily it's time to get the robots in. The problem I have is that Tod seems to think we played a better brand of Ice Hockey in the 2 - 0 win against Clan over the 8 - 3 win against Caps, all I can say to that is that along with the hands in his pockets Tod must have had his eyes closed for the first 50 minutes of that Clan game.
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Post by finchy on Nov 13, 2015 22:53:43 GMT
I agree with the sentiments on this thread- the quality of entertainment at FIA is currently very poor. Like many, it won't stop me going and hoping we win but I'm not looking forward to Saturday nights. The cheese-fest that accompanies it and the farcical team entrances etc., just compounds it all.
When you're not going to win the league you need other things to excite you- maverick forwards, tough guys, great netminders, passion from the stands etc. It's so disheartening to hear Todd continually making reference to players sticking rigidly to plans and you can see there's nobody prepared to pull a move or try something different now. I never thought beating Clan would be anything less than a euphoric feeling but the night we beat them 2-0 was, as others have said, torture for 50 minutes and hard to get too excited about even when we got the 2 points.
If you choose to play this brand of hockey you better hope you win 90 percent of your home games as if you lose playing like this it has fans who know their hockey debating whether they want to go back next week. You need to give the fans what they want and I'm surprised, given our history of open attractive hockey that we've gone down this route.
As for the comment about run and gun hockey or competing every night, I don't think this style does guarantee we compete every night. I feel when we go down a goal or 2 we've not got it in us to get back in a game. I think when we play the big boys away from home we'll continue to see a lot of 5-1 type scorelines.
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Post by ronniemac on Nov 13, 2015 23:54:58 GMT
Sorry but Todds vision for the game doesn't inspire me, as far as i can see that's 2 hands in pockets staring at the FIA floor. The 2 nil result against Clan could very easily have went the other way with the ENG reminiscent of most Flyers seasons in the EIHL ........wondering where you will be in the standings after the last period of the last game of the season.
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Post by brunchie19 on Nov 14, 2015 3:53:29 GMT
Going brave this weekend, gonna get the stream and see if it's more entertaining, I haven't been to the rink for a few weeks now and it's frustrating me, I love hockey I want to look forward to the weekend and enjoy the games but right now I just can't justify paying so much and getting so little in return, I get the same feeling after a night at the FIA as I do going to the scrappies, ripped off, but Like I said, I'm going to get the stream..... Wish me luck .
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Post by ckbell63 on Nov 14, 2015 4:48:21 GMT
I have avoided the last 3 games as I was fed up with listening to Todd and the same excuses. As I said before he is not inspiring. We need an upbeat coach with passion and a team that plays that way. A coach that can give you entertainment. I might go to the storm game as last time they were a good attacking team so they may make it entertaining. Also my mum misses an evening out since I started my boycot. Instead of going to every game I may relent and choose the odd game based on potential entertainment value provided by the opposition.
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Post by harlan on Nov 14, 2015 9:35:07 GMT
I have said on a few occasions that I never thought that this team was going to be an exciting team to watch and that I thought that we would see more one goal games with this team than we would see blow outs and nothing I have seen has really changed my mind with that. I think that Dutiaume has tried to model this years team on last years Clan, effective but far from flashy or exciting. This then comes down to our, us the fans, mindset. Do we want a team to play run and gun hockey like Edinburgh are playing this year and the style that we have sort of been used to or do we want a team that will grind out one goal games and have an opportunity to win every night. Is it enough to win or do we have to win in a certain way and if so what way is that? Do we as fans need to change how we view hockey now with so many imports in the game, a thing that is only going to increase again next season. Are games going to be attritional and far less open as seasons go on? I can see where Dutiaume is coming from with his view of the Capitals game because I thought we were getting a little over confident and trying things that we probably shouldn't have been trying when we were easily in front and that sometimes leads players to starting to do these sort of things every game and it becomes harder to rein them in from doing that on a weekly basis and that can lead to mistakes that can cost us games. If we are playing in tight games such as the Clan game then every player knows that any mistake can cost that type of game so they are less likely to try anything "flashy" and more likely to stick to a game plan and that will hopefully bring more rewards and the more games players play like that the more likely they are to continue to play like that as the season progresses. So do we want entertainment or do we want a winning team and can the two things exist in this league? I respect your opinion Harlan, you obviously know your stuff, but I don't see how you can say that Tod has modelled this years team on the Clan of last season, the Clan last season had Fitzgerald, Salters and Frank in their line up, all tough players, we have none of that in our squad. Also if we want to rein the players in, preventing them from expressing themselves, maybe showing a bit of individual skill when we are winning easily it's time to get the robots in. The problem I have is that Tod seems to think we played a better brand of Ice Hockey in the 2 - 0 win against Clan over the 8 - 3 win against Caps, all I can say to that is that along with the hands in his pockets Tod must have had his eyes closed for the first 50 minutes of that Clan game.
When I said I thought that Dutiaume had modelled this years team on last years Clan team I didn't mean in personnel, I meant in style and how they grinded out wins in an unspectacular way and maybe I should have made that clearer. As I said previously I can see where he is coming from with the Clan win, he wants the players to get into the habits of that win rather than the habits in the latter stages of the Capitals win
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Post by tackleberry on Nov 14, 2015 12:00:57 GMT
I respect your opinion Harlan, you obviously know your stuff, but I don't see how you can say that Tod has modelled this years team on the Clan of last season, the Clan last season had Fitzgerald, Salters and Frank in their line up, all tough players, we have none of that in our squad. Also if we want to rein the players in, preventing them from expressing themselves, maybe showing a bit of individual skill when we are winning easily it's time to get the robots in. The problem I have is that Tod seems to think we played a better brand of Ice Hockey in the 2 - 0 win against Clan over the 8 - 3 win against Caps, all I can say to that is that along with the hands in his pockets Tod must have had his eyes closed for the first 50 minutes of that Clan game.
When I said I thought that Dutiaume had modelled this years team on last years Clan team I didn't mean in personnel, I meant in style and how they grinded out wins in an unspectacular way and maybe I should have made that clearer. As I said previously I can see where he is coming from with the Clan win, he wants the players to get into the habits of that win rather than the habits in the latter stages of the Capitals win With respect, on what are you basing your opinion that Clan ' grinded out wins ' last season? In most of our games with Clan last season they won at a canter and didn't have to be neither gritty or spectacular to beat us.
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Post by harlan on Nov 14, 2015 12:11:17 GMT
When I said I thought that Dutiaume had modelled this years team on last years Clan team I didn't mean in personnel, I meant in style and how they grinded out wins in an unspectacular way and maybe I should have made that clearer. As I said previously I can see where he is coming from with the Clan win, he wants the players to get into the habits of that win rather than the habits in the latter stages of the Capitals win With respect, on what are you basing your opinion that Clan ' grinded out wins ' last season? In most of our games with Clan last season they won at a canter and didn't have to be neither gritty or spectacular to beat us. I thought that Clan were a very boring team to watch last season and didn't have to play great hockey to win games. I thought that they played "negative" hockey and that their intention was to stop opposition from playing and they clogged the neutral zone a lot to do that. I know that sounds daft and is the whole intention of winning games but I absolutely hated watching them last season, probably because of how I have been brought up in watching the Flyers and how used I am to watching us play and now I am having to watch a team play in the similar way as to the very style I hated last season
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Post by elaine59 on Nov 14, 2015 13:23:07 GMT
Bad enough listening to Todds comments on games but when Nic Rioux says the team were " TIRED " after a home game on Saturday. It doesn't fill you with confidence. Stars played us after long bus journey and were the better team. Is it a fitness problem?
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Post by tackleberry on Nov 14, 2015 14:17:17 GMT
With respect, on what are you basing your opinion that Clan ' grinded out wins ' last season? In most of our games with Clan last season they won at a canter and didn't have to be neither gritty or spectacular to beat us. I thought that Clan were a very boring team to watch last season and didn't have to play great hockey to win games. I thought that they played "negative" hockey and that their intention was to stop opposition from playing and they clogged the neutral zone a lot to do that. I know that sounds daft and is the whole intention of winning games but I absolutely hated watching them last season, probably because of how I have been brought up in watching the Flyers and how used I am to watching us play and now I am having to watch a team play in the similar way as to the very style I hated last season Yes you are having to watch us play in a boring style down to negative coaching but you actually agree with Todd anti hockey Dutiaume that players should stick to his rigid game plan at all times
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Post by tackleberry on Nov 14, 2015 14:18:37 GMT
C'mon Todd, take the shackles off the players and let's get a 4 point weekend.
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Post by Touche on Nov 14, 2015 23:02:02 GMT
Zero entertainment value this evening anyway. Think we'll all agree that one.
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