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Post by lukac on Jan 20, 2016 1:52:33 GMT
It all just goes to show you that there is no will at the very top to change anything to make any improvement. As if to say you have top league hockey what more do you want. The silence from the top is deafening, we all remember the meeting in the very start of the elite campaign, surprising we haven't had anymore isn't it. To me it looks like it's a nice little earner owning the flyers so let's just keep our heads down and ignore any flak.
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flyersforlife01
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Post by flyersforlife01 on Jan 20, 2016 12:39:32 GMT
What everyone seems to forget is that every team is improving every year, I honestly think that the Flyers have improved every year since entering the elite. The main problem is that we are getting out coached and the balance of the team isn't correct. Todd should move upstairs and hand over the head coach role to Danny. I know people will say that he has been a part of the problem, but it was Danny that wanted Nickerson and I think the team would be more physical under him.
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ronniemac
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Post by ronniemac on Jan 20, 2016 13:36:51 GMT
Why is it that the teams with the most enforcers are at the sharp end of the league, could Todd have got that wrong whilst under estimating the EIHL in the first place (his own words, couple that with several other gaffs it would be fair to say that he is not the man to take Flyers to any glory, 5 years has been a good enough reward for his service in any case, you never know perhaps another team could be waiting to snap him up.
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Post by waterboy on Jan 20, 2016 13:38:43 GMT
What everyone seems to forget is that every team is improving every year, I honestly think that the Flyers have improved every year since entering the elite. The main problem is that we are getting out coached and the balance of the team isn't correct. Todd should move upstairs and hand over the head coach role to Danny. I know people will say that he has been a part of the problem, but it was Danny that wanted Nickerson and I think the team would be more physical under him. When you say improved every year what are you basing that on? Here's my thoughts : Spoiler - its very negative but its how I see it. We have been knocked out the challenge cup at the same point each season (tonight will more than likely see that continue) we are not going to win the conference Stars and Clan have to many games in hand and we don't have enough of a gap on either of them. League wise we finished 7th 7th 8th and are currently 7th with the blaze hot on our heels. Winning percentage each season (not including season 1) 44% 46% 42% and so far this year 48% with a very hard end to our season to come facing teams going for the title. Not one local player added from KIHC over the past 5 years that weren't already with the team when we started in the EIHL. Brits all still part timers in a fulltime professional league. The hockey is **** boring to watch this season despite bringing in 11 new imports. No fights or team toughness if you want to call it that we are the softest team in the league, barely any excitement to talk off. We have made improvements off the ice (still plenty to do on that front though) Social media is there but could be so much better. Flyers TV became good under Ross but has dropped of in quality and content since season 12/13 IMO. The hockey is worse than every to watch, we still cant string decent results together. Our coach still talks about the same problems with our team as he has done every season yet nothing is done to fix it. Crowds have dropped this year (I think so anyway cant be exact but it certainly feels that way). People leaving before games are over - cant recall that happening on a scale like it has this season! Folk on here and in other social media platforms in general have had enough of the way this club/team is being managed. To the point where folk have openly stated they wont return or will only choose certain games (myself included In that) unless changes are made. Over the past month Dutes talks about making changes like he did last year and the year before etc etc. It gets boring after a while. Interviews after games from our Head Coach we could all write them down before they happen. Progress, improving you say. Cardiff over the last 2 years that's improvement Braehead over the past 5 years yup them too. Dundee terrible last year changes made difference is easy to see. I wish I had a far more positive outlook towards the team and management of it but I simply don't see anything other than missed opportunities and ways we could be so much better!!
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Post by bobdee on Jan 20, 2016 13:38:53 GMT
Cannot agree that we have improved every year. Coach has been in situ for 5 years and has not developed a worthwhile team in my view. Not many team sports retain a coach for that length of time without real improvement being shown.
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flyersforlife01
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Post by flyersforlife01 on Jan 20, 2016 15:20:27 GMT
Cannot agree that we have improved every year. Coach has been in situ for 5 years and has not developed a worthwhile team in my view. Not many team sports retain a coach for that length of time without real improvement being shown. You obviously don't get what I'm saying when I say that we have improved. For the first time we have run with full complement of imports from the start and are currently running with a spare. If you were to play this years team against any of the previous seasons teams, I think this years team would win. As previously stated, I think the problem once again this year is down to the coaching and wrong mix of imports. There isn't any poor imports this year that's poor, it's Todd that has brought in too many players that are similar. If I was the coach I would have the following players on each line. Power forward, sniper, play maker, stay at home defenceman and a offensive minded defenceman. Within these guys there should be at least two guys that can fight if and when required.
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Post by langtouner on Jan 20, 2016 15:43:04 GMT
I may be off the mark here but these big budget arena teams also have huge overheads that flyers simply don't for example housing in these cities, ice costs, arena rent for games etc. I wouldn't be that surprised if we aren't too far behind in terms of profit by the end of the year. I believe Simms (yes he's a complete tool) has said the same in the past. I think you are spot on. It would not surprise me at all if we are not the most profitable team in the league. I heard that Braehead pay £10000 a week for ice, which is probably more than we pay on the players salaries.
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ronniemac
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Post by ronniemac on Jan 20, 2016 16:32:38 GMT
I've noticed people that were lost from the BNL days that come back have already disappeared again ( apart from Crow & Todds buddy the statistition on the bench ) due to whats on offer, there are 1000 people less than the Nickerson days because the FRANCHISE player left the building and reputedly he wanted to stay, the galling fact is that knowledgable fans could put a team on the ice that could fill the building most weeks and achieve upwards of 50 hockey. Flyers need a new broom that can build bridges with the fans, get rid of a lot of the game night crew dross, work with junior development because the import bubble will burst at some point and bring in a squad with the right mix of skill and muscle to rebuild Fortress Fife and make it a place to fear along the lines of the old and famous Durham Flu.
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Post by bobdee on Jan 20, 2016 16:42:43 GMT
Cannot agree that we have improved every year. Coach has been in situ for 5 years and has not developed a worthwhile team in my view. Not many team sports retain a coach for that length of time without real improvement being shown. You obviously don't get what I'm saying when I say that we have improved. For the first time we have run with full complement of imports from the start and are currently running with a spare. If you were to play this years team against any of the previous seasons teams, I think this years team would win. As previously stated, I think the problem once again this year is down to the coaching and wrong mix of imports. There isn't any poor imports this year that's poor, it's Todd that has brought in too many players that are similar. If I was the coach I would have the following players on each line. Power forward, sniper, play maker, stay at home defenceman and a offensive minded defenceman. Within these guys there should be at least two guys that can fight if and when required. We may be running with a spare as you put it, but to me the improvement on the ice is not visible, for whatever reason.
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Post by harlan on Jan 20, 2016 16:52:58 GMT
You obviously don't get what I'm saying when I say that we have improved. For the first time we have run with full complement of imports from the start and are currently running with a spare. If you were to play this years team against any of the previous seasons teams, I think this years team would win. As previously stated, I think the problem once again this year is down to the coaching and wrong mix of imports. There isn't any poor imports this year that's poor, it's Todd that has brought in too many players that are similar. If I was the coach I would have the following players on each line. Power forward, sniper, play maker, stay at home defenceman and a offensive minded defenceman. Within these guys there should be at least two guys that can fight if and when required. We may be running with a spare as you put it, but to me the improvement on the ice is not visible, for whatever reason. And yet at this moment in time we have a league record of having won more games than we have lost, something that has never happened since we joined the elite league. That's not improvement?
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Post by bobdee on Jan 20, 2016 16:58:54 GMT
We may be running with a spare as you put it, but to me the improvement on the ice is not visible, for whatever reason. And yet at this moment in time we have a league record of having won more games than we have lost, something that has never happened since we joined the elite league. That's not improvement? Waterboy's stat of 48% must be wrong then.
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Post by andi renson on Jan 20, 2016 17:08:57 GMT
According to the Elite League site, we have won 16 and lost 17 of the 33 league games played.
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Post by langtouner on Jan 20, 2016 17:11:33 GMT
I've noticed people that were lost from the BNL days that come back have already disappeared again ( apart from Crow & Todds buddy the statistition on the bench ) due to whats on offer, there are 1000 people less than the Nickerson days because the FRANCHISE player left the building and reputedly he wanted to stay, the galling fact is that knowledgable fans could put a team on the ice that could fill the building most weeks and achieve upwards of 50 hockey. Flyers need a new broom that can build bridges with the fans, get rid of a lot of the game night crew dross, work with junior development because the import bubble will burst at some point and bring in a squad with the right mix of skill and muscle to rebuild Fortress Fife and make it a place to fear along the lines of the old and famous Durham Flu. Another great post. Lot of good posts on this thread. Whilst their are four owners, effectively Flyers is run by one person. It would be much better if we could have a consortium of owners to give different perspectives, new ideas and fresh blood. All of the junior teams should be Fife Flyers U10s U12s etc. including the Kestrels. It should be in every imports contracts that they have to do at least 2 hours a week helping coach all age groups including the Kestrels. We would then have a proper club, where the imports are more involved and helping develop the future, and not what is at best, a mediocre business. Why do we have volunteers? does TM have volunteer drivers driving his trucks? If everything is done by volunteers then you are not going to get the most professional output. Do we do anything, just one thing better than any other team? OK maybe the Stovies! We have the worst website, DJ isn't great but better than Edinburgh or Braehead, highlights are not great, car park is shocking, and so on. Unfortunately though nothing will change and we'll be having the same discussions in ten years.
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Post by tackleberry on Jan 20, 2016 18:17:52 GMT
We may be running with a spare as you put it, but to me the improvement on the ice is not visible, for whatever reason. And yet at this moment in time we have a league record of having won more games than we have lost, something that has never happened since we joined the elite league. That's not improvement? I will be very surprised if we have won more than we've lost when all our games are completed.
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Post by harlan on Jan 20, 2016 18:41:57 GMT
According to the Elite League site, we have won 16 and lost 17 of the 33 league games played. So how do we get to have 34 points from 16 wins? Stats are great aren't they? It gives us a winning percentage, something we haven't had before
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