pittsburghpingu17
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Post by pittsburghpingu17 on Mar 2, 2016 16:54:10 GMT
Oh wow, he had one good game at the very start of the season and done absolutely nothing since. I can see how that makes him a valuble asset. I'm sure even Josh Scoon had a half decent game for us this season, but I'm hardly jumping at the prospect of him returning. Jeff Lee. 9+13 in 37 games with 61 PIMs. Basically playing on a level with Cullen and Danny points wise. Ahead of both in PIMs. Most picked up whilst on the 3rd line. Did we forget he was MOM at the end of November in a crucial win over Braehead? Or again in an away defeat to Sheffield in December?
Your opinion is based on no facts and pure bias against a player who you've seen play a poor game after several months out injured in a game where the entire team was whitewashed. On his game, Jeff Lee COULD be a valuable asset for us, as he has proven at times this year. What he lacked then was consistency. What he lacks now is match fitness and general fitness that he'll be lucky to recover before the playoffs, that does not make him a poor player as you seem to be suggesting.
Oh, I forgot, the MoM is ALWAYS an accurate reflection, y'know, when Haines got it last night. I've not just watched him play one poor game, I've really only seen him play two good games. What makes him a poor player is what seems to be a general lack of effort, never really skated much with the puck at all (not just last night), don't recall him throwing a hit all season either. We done perfectly well without him and I'd take any other import forward we have over him without a second thought. At least Stewart plays with heart and hits, he's never been a massive points scorer so that's a pretty invalid point.
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rebelukaroehl
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Post by rebelukaroehl on Mar 2, 2016 17:06:29 GMT
Jeff Lee. 9+13 in 37 games with 61 PIMs. Basically playing on a level with Cullen and Danny points wise. Ahead of both in PIMs. Most picked up whilst on the 3rd line. Did we forget he was MOM at the end of November in a crucial win over Braehead? Or again in an away defeat to Sheffield in December?
Your opinion is based on no facts and pure bias against a player who you've seen play a poor game after several months out injured in a game where the entire team was whitewashed. On his game, Jeff Lee COULD be a valuable asset for us, as he has proven at times this year. What he lacked then was consistency. What he lacks now is match fitness and general fitness that he'll be lucky to recover before the playoffs, that does not make him a poor player as you seem to be suggesting.
Oh, I forgot, the MoM is ALWAYS an accurate reflection, y'know, when Haines got it last night. I've not just watched him play one poor game, I've really only seen him play two good games. What makes him a poor player is what seems to be a general lack of effort, never really skated much with the puck at all (not just last night), don't recall him throwing a hit all season either. We done perfectly well without him and I'd take any other import forward we have over him without a second thought. At least Stewart plays with heart and hits, he's never been a massive points scorer so that's a pretty invalid point. They play the same role on the same line with roughly the same minutes, the point isn't invalid you just cannot understand it. That's fine. Never thrown a hit but has 61 penalty minutes, he's a gobby guy right enough eh? No, it must be all that stick work he does. Come on eh? At least TRY to be subjective.
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Post by --G-- on Mar 2, 2016 17:07:09 GMT
Anyone who is paying ticket fees can have an opinion on a player buddy. Good or bad. Sure his (and my) views are based on seeing him play.
“basically playing on a level with danny and cullen” is incorrect. If we look at points per game, Jeff Lee limps in as the lowest ppg for a forward import, but the highest PIM’s average. Not good.
Granted, he is not awful, but he appears (on both paper, and to the eyes of many) to be the weakest import forward we have. And I would take Danny over him all day long. Sure the boy has played a couple of good games, but overall – not good enough and id be glad to see him sitting behind the glass for the remainder of the season.
I am sure he COULD be a great asset, in the same way I am sure wands COULD be a good d-man...but i dont have a trans-parallel-universe transport machine to check that out.
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pittsburghpingu17
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Post by pittsburghpingu17 on Mar 2, 2016 17:31:16 GMT
Oh, I forgot, the MoM is ALWAYS an accurate reflection, y'know, when Haines got it last night. I've not just watched him play one poor game, I've really only seen him play two good games. What makes him a poor player is what seems to be a general lack of effort, never really skated much with the puck at all (not just last night), don't recall him throwing a hit all season either. We done perfectly well without him and I'd take any other import forward we have over him without a second thought. At least Stewart plays with heart and hits, he's never been a massive points scorer so that's a pretty invalid point. They play the same role on the same line with roughly the same minutes, the point isn't invalid you just cannot understand it. That's fine. Never thrown a hit but has 61 penalty minutes, he's a gobby guy right enough eh? No, it must be all that stick work he does. Come on eh? At least TRY to be subjective. Right well looking back at your post in the 'players to keep' thread, he isn't in your list. Surely you must agree with at least something I've said about him..If you're trying to big up his physicality, Dorr has had more fights than him this season and I'm willing to bet anything he's had more hits aswell. Just because he's 6ft2" doesn't mean anything. Also a high amount of PIMs but no fights, like Paquet isn't exactly an amazing thing? They don't play the same role either, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
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Post by swarfiga on Mar 2, 2016 17:31:18 GMT
To be fair most his hits are cracking folk into the boards from behind because he's like Luis Mendoza from the mighty ducks
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rebelukaroehl
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Post by rebelukaroehl on Mar 2, 2016 19:34:52 GMT
They play the same role on the same line with roughly the same minutes, the point isn't invalid you just cannot understand it. That's fine. Never thrown a hit but has 61 penalty minutes, he's a gobby guy right enough eh? No, it must be all that stick work he does. Come on eh? At least TRY to be subjective. Right well looking back at your post in the 'players to keep' thread, he isn't in your list. Surely you must agree with at least something I've said about him..If you're trying to big up his physicality, Dorr has had more fights than him this season and I'm willing to bet anything he's had more hits aswell. Just because he's 6ft2" doesn't mean anything. Also a high amount of PIMs but no fights, like Paquet isn't exactly an amazing thing? They don't play the same role either, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that. So Paddy and Danny, they don't play 3rd line checking forward then no? Jeff Lee played that role for 20+ games in a Flyers jersey. It's not a role it looked like he was used to or liked but it's where he was used. Danny and Paddy have both seen time on the 2nd and 1st lines but, predominantly, they have been on the 3rd line. What role do you think they play? I'm absolutely sure I will understand it, i'm just curious to see what you think their roles are?
What have you said about Jeff Lee?
"Oh wow, he had one good game at the very start of the season and done absolutely nothing since." - Wrong, he's 7+11 in 36 games and a high number of those 36 games were played on the 3rd line whilst he was carrying an injury.
"I've really only seen him play two good games" - That's all down to opinion. I've seen him play about 5. It's far from great but it's all about how you see it I suppose.
"What makes him a poor player is what seems to be a general lack of effort" - He was playing injured for weeks and is only just back from a couple of months out injured, he was blowing out his ass within 10 minutes and will be for some time. Also, lack of effort doesn't make you a poor player, it makes you a lazy player. There is a difference. He's in the same category as Justin Fox for me in that respect. Lazy player, not poor.
I'm not advocating him as Gretzky. Hell, he's not on my list of players to return because I feel we can bring in upgrades but I feel that way about David Brown and he's been our best player recently.
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rebelukaroehl
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Post by rebelukaroehl on Mar 2, 2016 19:42:07 GMT
Anyone who is paying ticket fees can have an opinion on a player buddy. Good or bad. Sure his (and my) views are based on seeing him play. “basically playing on a level with danny and cullen” is incorrect. If we look at points per game, Jeff Lee limps in as the lowest ppg for a forward import, but the highest PIM’s average. Not good. Granted, he is not awful, but he appears (on both paper, and to the eyes of many) to be the weakest import forward we have. And I would take Danny over him all day long. Sure the boy has played a couple of good games, but overall – not good enough and id be glad to see him sitting behind the glass for the remainder of the season. I am sure he COULD be a great asset, in the same way I am sure wands COULD be a good d-man...but i dont have a trans-parallel-universe transport machine to check that out. 0.59PPG is not basically on the same level as 0.63PPG when you've been playing injured in the same role no? Deary me.
My views are based on seeing him play also, or did you think I was just making random facts up? It's subjective to your own opinion. Mine is differing from yours because, from what it looks like, I can look at this subjectively whereas you seem to be focused on paper and on the ice. I'd also not use the majority of Fife fans to back up your opinion. We may be the oldest team in the country but my god do some of our fans not even have a basic understanding of the game.
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Post by --G-- on Mar 2, 2016 19:58:39 GMT
Anyone who is paying ticket fees can have an opinion on a player buddy. Good or bad. Sure his (and my) views are based on seeing him play. “basically playing on a level with danny and cullen” is incorrect. If we look at points per game, Jeff Lee limps in as the lowest ppg for a forward import, but the highest PIM’s average. Not good. Granted, he is not awful, but he appears (on both paper, and to the eyes of many) to be the weakest import forward we have. And I would take Danny over him all day long. Sure the boy has played a couple of good games, but overall – not good enough and id be glad to see him sitting behind the glass for the remainder of the season. I am sure he COULD be a great asset, in the same way I am sure wands COULD be a good d-man...but i dont have a trans-parallel-universe transport machine to check that out. 0.59PPG is not basically on the same level as 0.63PPG when you've been playing injured in the same role no? Deary me.
My views are based on seeing him play also, or did you think I was just making random facts up? It's subjective to your own opinion. Mine is differing from yours because, from what it looks like, I can look at this subjectively whereas you seem to be focused on paper and on the ice. I'd also not use the majority of Fife fans to back up your opinion. We may be the oldest team in the country but my god do some of our fans not even have a basic understanding of the game.
Yes its a difference. You see, 63 comes AFTER 59, therefore its better - the higher the number the better you see;) You also assume other players (with better stats) are not playing with injuries? I never claimed the majority of fans friend, I just said in the "eyes of many" - and given I talk to a fair amount of fans, I think thats a fair statement on my part. And yes, I review a player on stats as well as on the ice. This is correct. Everyone is entitled to a view on players buddy, but lets not go down the route of "you know nothing of hockey" I aint no Jon Snow ;0)
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Post by --G-- on Mar 2, 2016 20:07:27 GMT
To be fair most his hits are cracking folk into the boards from behind because he's like Luis Mendoza from the mighty ducks ha ha, pop quiz: "The speedster from...... ?" (no googling)
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Post by joestoyanovich on Mar 2, 2016 20:54:22 GMT
Lee was disappointing last night that's for sure,but so were many.
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pittsburghpingu17
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Post by pittsburghpingu17 on Mar 2, 2016 21:10:13 GMT
Cullen had nothing to do with the debate either. It's the role Lee/Stewart play, not Lee/Cullen/Stewart that is being debated.
Oh. 5 good games from over 30. Boy's brilliant isn't he?!
It's the same argument everyone had about Ned, he's lazy, but not poor, at least he produced, unlike Lee.
Are you just someone who bought a top with his name on after pre-season and is just refusing to let anyone slag him on that basis alone? Also the, 'I know more about hockey than everyone' kinda attitude is annoying and doesn't help strengthen your argument. He's played VERY FEW good games for us, he doesn't hit, he's lazy, and has a poor PPG, that's why I'm saying he's poor. You're acting like he came here with a broken leg and has played with it for the last 7 seasons of his career. Give it a break. I'd much rather Stewart in any role, no matter what you're trying to paint it as..
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Post by moderator1 on Mar 3, 2016 0:15:32 GMT
****Quick reminder folks to debate your opinions without it getting personal. I've deleted one post already on this thread that's over-stepped the mark so please argue your point as hard as you want, but keep it civil and definitely without the name calling****
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tam
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Post by tam on Mar 3, 2016 9:09:18 GMT
to change the post slightly is the club too loyal to players? how many players have we cut in the last few years 2? for me if a guy has a long term injury get rid other teams have no hesitation in replacing players, we have paid wages to lee and stockton for sitting in the fife lounge for weeks on end
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Post by sparkymark75 on Mar 3, 2016 9:19:36 GMT
Cutting a player that's not performing up to standard or is a bad fit, I've no problem with. But I'm uneasy at the thought of cutting a guy that's injured. Unless he injured himself off ice doing something stupid, it'd be a bit unfair on the guy to cut him for being injured. Plus it sends out a bad message come recruitment time.
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Post by waterboy on Mar 3, 2016 12:02:12 GMT
Flyers have built up a good reputation over the past 5 years with how the imports are treated.
That's not something you just wash over and cut a guy through injury. Hockey is a small world and players that we have brought in over the years all know or will have spoken to someone to get a idea of how the club treats guys. That can make a huge difference during the summer negotiations.
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