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Post by waterboy on Aug 17, 2016 16:15:50 GMT
It's his first season doing it just his way with no Danny. I'm happy to give him benefit of the doubt. If we end up doing well this season then this thread is comedy gold. If we don't then it's fair to ask Todd to move on. Roll on the new season Sorry but are you suggesting that the previous seasons failings were down to Danny being there? Are you forgetting Todd got it drastically wrong in our first season which to be fair to him he put his hands up to that. Any failings over the past 5 seasons lie at Todd's door. He is the Head Coach the buck stops at him for every EIHL season so far.
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Post by happydaysdancer on Aug 17, 2016 16:37:20 GMT
No I'm not - the first season was an eye opener for all concerned and the directors wouldn't go with the required number of imports to start with at very short notice. The whole timeframe to do things and not knowing what crowds would come was a big factor in my opinion
I'm not apportioning any blame on any season, I'm saying this is his first full season on his own which is a fact & I'm prepared to wait and see what happens.
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Post by swarfiga on Aug 17, 2016 17:33:27 GMT
Todd out
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Post by zamboni on Aug 17, 2016 18:38:05 GMT
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Aug 17, 2016 18:56:41 GMT
He can keep on looking then, not the kind of wow signing we desperately need
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Post by nm1 on Aug 17, 2016 21:13:01 GMT
Don't think there will be a wow signing, more likely to sign Richard Hartman or Jeff Hutchins, both in the right age bracket, live local, are available and assistant coach material. And Hutchins could be our enforcer lol.
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Post by swarfiga on Aug 18, 2016 6:12:35 GMT
Wands back, not good enough
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Aug 18, 2016 7:15:12 GMT
Wands back, not good enough Directors won't allow money for British signings ...it's a ”local” team, not much Todd can do there's a limited selection, ie none
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Post by jambitink on Aug 18, 2016 8:20:14 GMT
Wands back, not good enough Directors won't allow money for British signings ...it's a ”local” team, not much Todd can do there's a limited selection, ie none Theres plenty he could do about it. If he was a credible coach he would issue an ultimatium and walk if the directors didnt give him the support he needed. He wont though and this is the reason he still has a job because he nothing more than a yes man.
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Post by bobdee on Aug 18, 2016 8:24:38 GMT
Wands back, not good enough Directors won't allow money for British signings ...it's a ”local” team, not much Todd can do there's a limited selection, ie none If it is a local team how many players have we developed from KIHC. Cheapskates.
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Aug 18, 2016 8:34:49 GMT
Directors won't allow money for British signings ...it's a ”local” team, not much Todd can do there's a limited selection, ie none If it is a local team how many players have we developed from KIHC. Cheapskates. Said it before but who exactly is ready to play for flyers, bean who did not quite make it is away back to kestrels and has walked into the captaincy and will probably be there best player, says it all really, Everyone totally over estimates the talent we have at junior level that are ready for elite, And on the subject of Todd leaving, any other coach who comes in would face exactly the same problems with the directors position on local talent.
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Post by flyersforlife01 on Aug 18, 2016 9:01:19 GMT
If it is a local team how many players have we developed from KIHC. Cheapskates. Said it before but who exactly is ready to play for flyers, bean who did not quite make it is away back to kestrels and has walked into the captaincy and will probably be there best player, says it all really, Everyone totally over estimates the talent we have at junior level that are ready for elite, And on the subject of Todd leaving, any other coach who comes in would face exactly the same problems with the directors position on local talent. We need a coach and imports that go through all levels of the juniors to help these guys become better players, hopefully KIHC will then start producing elite level players. They say that the elite league isn't a development league, that doesn't mean the Flyers couldn't be the team to stop that trend.
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Post by taz on Aug 18, 2016 9:10:15 GMT
Im pretty sure there are ex kihc players now playing elite level for other clubs and in other leagues. Players that were shunned by Flyers and given the chance by other teams who believe in them.
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Post by waterboy on Aug 18, 2016 9:17:09 GMT
If it is a local team how many players have we developed from KIHC. Cheapskates. Said it before but who exactly is ready to play for flyers, bean who did not quite make it is away back to kestrels and has walked into the captaincy and will probably be there best player, says it all really, Everyone totally over estimates the talent we have at junior level that are ready for elite, And on the subject of Todd leaving, any other coach who comes in would face exactly the same problems with the directors position on local talent. Fairly sure we have already had this debate but here my take on it: Beanie wasn't the kestrels best player last season, he played almost every game in the league for them and finished 6th in team scoring 20 pts from 16 games. Liam Cassidy (who Todd told to find another club) finished with 35 pts from 15 games. Beanie is a good player at the SNL level but we had better. 20 years old 6'5" 200+ lbs who Edinburgh picked up straight away.
Its not about having juniors that are Elite ready just standing around waiting on Todd shouting for them to turn up when it suits him, the club need to be pro active in developing these guys so that they can make the step up. That takes time and investment, take Tyler Plews as an example. He spent last summer in Canada with Riley Emmerson. He sat on the bench for chunks of games to start with but got odd shifts, ended up through various issues playing more and more minutes and by all accounts did well that's as an 18 year old kid that the Flyers wouldn't even bring up to train with the team. He has spent parts of this summer in Belfast working out with Colin Shields at his gym getting ready for this season and he is still learning and developing as a young player.
Seem to remember more than a few saying he couldn't play at this level when he was still at Fife, the kid has proved that to be wrong. The talent is there but it needs the right development and structure around it to make these guys capable of playing at this level.
Take the top 2 or 3 prospects and sign them fulltime to the Flyers, would you rather see them on the bench learning or Torch and Scoonie (not digging at those 2 but you get my point). How did Todd develop as a 16 year old kid he played fulltime hockey in the OHL on the ice everyday. Todd has had years to put roots down in our junior system and have players coming through. Like it or not he has failed massively on that front.
He continually goes on about us being a club for local players etc etc yet we have let good prospects walk away as they know there is no chance of getting a foot in the door at the Flyers old boys club.
Just think of the progress Liam Kirk and Cole Shudra have made since they played against our Falcons in the U20's final last season, A full summer training with Danny Mawer and Steelers top players. A full training camp and icetime in pre season games and now involved in tonights CHL opening game. That time and investment will pay of huge for the Steelers in years to come and its fair to say they will be light years ahead of any of the guys that played for the falcons that day that we will still have at our club in 3 years time. That is how you develop young guys not by having them on for a few training sessions and saying they are not fast enough and telling them to not come back. I will say it again its in the hands of the club and the Head Coach to do something about it so far they simply haven't bothered.
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Post by ronniemac on Aug 18, 2016 10:50:20 GMT
Todd is Head Coach and has the final say so the buck stops with him, so far every season we have seen the same old....same old, when the system's not working OK it's dump and chase (mostly without the chase) lets see if we say the same at the end of March.
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