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Post by swarfiga on Jul 10, 2017 17:36:23 GMT
The problem can't solely lie with Todd and Hutchins, you've got to think there's issues on both sides with helping each other out
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Post by johndabomb on Jul 10, 2017 18:28:25 GMT
He took a healthy dose of grief on flyers Facebook this morning from a couple ex players before comments were deleted They'd be better saying it to his face instead of on the Flyers Facebook page. Plewsy would knock him out.
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Post by swarfiga on Jul 10, 2017 18:53:06 GMT
Your point being?
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Jul 10, 2017 19:45:15 GMT
They'd be better saying it to his face instead of on the Flyers Facebook page. Plewsy would knock him out. That's maybe why Plewsy never had any career in hockey to speak of. And of course a great example to set
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Post by boschman76 on Jul 10, 2017 20:00:51 GMT
That's a laugh he couldn't knock himself out unless it was with a cheap shot
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Post by stewartgibson on Jul 10, 2017 20:17:48 GMT
They'd be better saying it to his face instead of on the Flyers Facebook page. Plewsy would knock him out. grow up
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Post by johndabomb on Jul 10, 2017 21:01:28 GMT
Calm down. I'm only suggesting that it's probably best he sticks to Facebook rather than face to face confrontations.
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Post by fflyers on Jul 10, 2017 21:01:29 GMT
Last season Flyers trained on a Thursday night, immediately followed by the under 20's. Not once did Hutchins stay for even 5 minutes at any point during the entire season. I don't care what anyone says but thats inexcusable, him getting the 18's job is almost comical. He's never shown any interest in junior development at either Fife or especially in Dundee. Bulking up the CV it looks like. ***** player, worse coach
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Post by finchy on Jul 11, 2017 8:18:11 GMT
Last season Flyers trained on a Thursday night, immediately followed by the under 20's. Not once did Hutchins stay for even 5 minutes at any point during the entire season. I don't care what anyone says but thats inexcusable, him getting the 18's job is almost comical. He's never shown any interest in junior development at either Fife or especially in Dundee. Bulking up the CV it looks like. ****e player, worse coach I'm sure whoever is responsible for the appointment has good reason for giving him the gig. I don't know enough to judge his coaching but to say he was a poor player is just absolute nonsense. An agitator (who was also prepared to drop them in his peak years) that put up very decent scoring numbers. Good to see it finally acknowledged on this thread as well that communication is a 2 way thing. There cant be another club like this in world sport where there's so much animosity towards it from it's own people. To suggest 1 or 2 people are solely responsible for alleged poor relations between KIHC and Flyers is laughable.
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Post by greyhound on Jul 11, 2017 9:39:08 GMT
There are a couple of problems with the way kihc is run and way flyers are run that get in the way of it being one club one philosophy. Flyers have a hard enough time sorting their own team out so don't want to also be responsible for juniors coming through. If they did they would have to contribute cash which they also dont like to give away. The ex player coaches at kihc have no loyalty to the club hence their own kids jumping ship at the first opportunity this negativity filters through all the team's towards the flyers. The ex player coaches are in the main coaching their own kids and that's why they are there. All of them at some point have fallen out with flyers again not a great relationship. Bar plewsy who is a cracking coach who genuinely tries to better all his players, the rest are very limited in their coaching so unless the player is talented they are not coached to be better. Like the flyers kihc needs swept out and to be run to its full potential. Both are bring run behind the times.
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Post by fflyers on Jul 11, 2017 23:03:17 GMT
There are a couple of problems with the way kihc is run and way flyers are run that get in the way of it being one club one philosophy. Flyers have a hard enough time sorting their own team out so don't want to also be responsible for juniors coming through. If they did they would have to contribute cash which they also dont like to give away. The ex player coaches at kihc have no loyalty to the club hence their own kids jumping ship at the first opportunity this negativity filters through all the team's towards the flyers. The ex player coaches are in the main coaching their own kids and that's why they are there. All of them at some point have fallen out with flyers again not a great relationship. Bar plewsy who is a cracking coach who genuinely tries to better all his players, the rest are very limited in their coaching so unless the player is talented they are not coached to be better. Like the flyers kihc needs swept out and to be run to its full potential. Both are bring run behind the times. Why should they have 'loyalty' to a club that has given them nothing in return. True the kihc is practically run by ex pros, however that is not a negative whatsoever, kihc is the best junior set up in the country, results have proven that, the juniors havent dropped out of top 2 in scotland in 10+ years in every age group, and also beating english competition consistently. If not ex pros, then who else? Joe blogs off the street whos been to a couple flyers games and thinks he knows the sport. No thanks, thats how most of the clubs in scotland are ran and hence how they lose to kihc juniors in double figures every game.
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Post by coloradoflyer on Jul 12, 2017 7:51:28 GMT
the main problem is there is no structure in place from the top down so that the elite team can eventually take the best brits we produce and make them fife flyers players, no instead we leave them to come through juniors then let them go, and to say we are team that prides it's self on local talent give me a break
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Post by swarfiga on Jul 12, 2017 8:40:28 GMT
the main problem is there is no structure in place from the top down so that the elite team can eventually take the best brits we produce and make them fife flyers players, no instead we leave them to come through juniors then let them go, and to say we are team that prides it's self on local talent give me a break Very true, from the outside looking in and even when I was playing it's 2 separate clubs, the flyers and KIHC, the whole thing needs to be one club IF they actually want to produce their own talent
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Jul 12, 2017 9:05:39 GMT
There are a couple of problems with the way kihc is run and way flyers are run that get in the way of it being one club one philosophy. Flyers have a hard enough time sorting their own team out so don't want to also be responsible for juniors coming through. If they did they would have to contribute cash which they also dont like to give away. The ex player coaches at kihc have no loyalty to the club hence their own kids jumping ship at the first opportunity this negativity filters through all the team's towards the flyers. The ex player coaches are in the main coaching their own kids and that's why they are there. All of them at some point have fallen out with flyers again not a great relationship. Bar plewsy who is a cracking coach who genuinely tries to better all his players, the rest are very limited in their coaching so unless the player is talented they are not coached to be better. Like the flyers kihc needs swept out and to be run to its full potential. Both are bring run behind the times. Why should they have 'loyalty' to a club that has given them nothing in return. True the kihc is practically run by ex pros, however that is not a negative whatsoever, kihc is the best junior set up in the country, results have proven that, the juniors havent dropped out of top 2 in scotland in 10+ years in every age group, and also beating english competition consistently. If not ex pros, then who else? Joe blogs off the street whos been to a couple flyers games and thinks he knows the sport. No thanks, thats how most of the clubs in scotland are ran and hence how they lose to kihc juniors in double figures every game. Fife juniors are successful in part due to the sheer numbers that play, and the reason for this is the Flyers...it's them that gets kids interested due to there high profile in the area. No other club in Scotland is as prolific in there home area, also you say flyers don't help juniors, they allow displays and collections on match nights which I am sure is a nice little earner.
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Post by finchy on Jul 12, 2017 9:41:42 GMT
There are a couple of problems with the way kihc is run and way flyers are run that get in the way of it being one club one philosophy. Flyers have a hard enough time sorting their own team out so don't want to also be responsible for juniors coming through. If they did they would have to contribute cash which they also dont like to give away. The ex player coaches at kihc have no loyalty to the club hence their own kids jumping ship at the first opportunity this negativity filters through all the team's towards the flyers. The ex player coaches are in the main coaching their own kids and that's why they are there. All of them at some point have fallen out with flyers again not a great relationship. Bar plewsy who is a cracking coach who genuinely tries to better all his players, the rest are very limited in their coaching so unless the player is talented they are not coached to be better. Like the flyers kihc needs swept out and to be run to its full potential. Both are bring run behind the times. Why should they have 'loyalty' to a club that has given them nothing in return. True the kihc is practically run by ex pros, however that is not a negative whatsoever, kihc is the best junior set up in the country, results have proven that, the juniors havent dropped out of top 2 in scotland in 10+ years in every age group, and also beating english competition consistently. If not ex pros, then who else? Joe blogs off the street whos been to a couple flyers games and thinks he knows the sport. No thanks, thats how most of the clubs in scotland are ran and hence how they lose to kihc juniors in double figures every game. I'm genuinely interested as to why so many local ex-Flyers appear to hate the club so much. What is they expect 'in return' from Flyers that players from other clubs presumably get? Serious question, as to many outsiders like me the animosity seems totally bizarre- but guessing there must be a reason of sorts.
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