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Post by dysartflyer on Oct 31, 2016 15:41:04 GMT
Yes we probably still need to make minor changes but........I've had discussions with a Stars supporting friend who thought that Flyers only won the games against Stars because Stars were the worst of two poor teams. Analysis of the league stats shows that Stars have a weak offence and their problems are much worse than any Flyers have. Both have great net-minders but Flyers are 2nd top scorers in the league and 5th in goals conceded Flyers are 4th P10 RW6 F33 A28 Stars are 10th P9 RW2 F18 A33. Flyers have Dingle =1st in league P10 G8 A5 P13, Fox =4th P8 G6 A6 P12, Sisca =11th P10 G4 A7 P11, Moyer and Thinel both =19th P10 G2 A7 and then Stars top scorer is Scarsella =32nd P9 G3 A4 P7 and Flyers also have Pacquet at =32nd P8 G3 A4 P7. There’s Stars problem in a nutshell. I think that all Flyers lack is a big tough guy to back up skilled players and of course to add another couple of Brits to avoid imports being overplayed. I don't think we are big enough and moneyed enough to challenge the big boys but with some more consistency we may be getting into better shape. We certainly need another forward in to cover Stockton's injury. Your thoughts please but make it constructive not abusive as these are just my opinions.
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Post by waterboy on Oct 31, 2016 16:16:45 GMT
Yet again Flyers have the makings of a very good team, Owen Moyer Dingle etc give the club a spine to build a very good team around. Goal scoring was never going to be an issue with some of the guys we have brought in.
I take my hat of to Fox and Paquet they have come back far better which I admit I didn't expect as both were poor last year.
Flyers Issue for me yet again is to much of the same style of player and not enough depth which is the same as a number of previous squads. Considering we have benched our local guys pretty much all year and choose to play short and kill our aging import squad just baffles me.
I've said it before, we will turn in some very good games (Manchester, Nottingham at Home) and some terrible ones (Braehead, Sheffield at home).
I don't see a huge mystery in how we can be better, make at least 2 changes Issacs and Stockton out (not out for Stockton but out injured) Bring in 2 Physical big power forwards (yes who can fight) and we would be better.
Lastly use the British boys every game every week, we signed them so use them non of this running 2 and a bit lines nonsense. Don't bench them for a mistake play and coach them. After all is that not Hutchy's job!
Those 2 changes alone would make me want to watch this team no matter if they win or lose.
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Post by sparkymark75 on Oct 31, 2016 17:48:26 GMT
Yes we probably still need to make minor changes but........I've had discussions with a Stars supporting friend who thought that Flyers only won the games against Stars because Stars were the worst of two poor teams. Analysis of the league stats shows that Stars have a weak offence and their problems are much worse than any Flyers have. Both have great net-minders but Flyers are 2nd top scorers in the league and 5th in goals conceded Flyers are 4th P10 RW6 F33 A28 Stars are 10th P9 RW2 F18 A33. Flyers have Dingle =1st in league P10 G8 A5 P13, Fox =4th P8 G6 A6 P12, Sisca =11th P10 G4 A7 P11, Moyer and Thinel both =19th P10 G2 A7 and then Stars top scorer is Scarsella =32nd P9 G3 A4 P7 and Flyers also have Pacquet at =32nd P8 G3 A4 P7. There’s Stars problem in a nutshell. I think that all Flyers lack is a big tough guy to back up skilled players and of course to add another couple of Brits to avoid imports being overplayed. I don't think we are big enough and moneyed enough to challenge the big boys but with some more consistency we may be getting into better shape. We certainly need another forward in to cover Stockton's injury. Your thoughts please but make it constructive not abusive as these are just my opinions. Your Dundee Stars supporting friend was probably too begrudging to simply acknowledge the better team won and like Dundee's coach, refuse to give us any praise. Fife never won because they were the better team, but because they threw both games away is his take on it. This weekend was my first look at Dundee. My initial impressions are they are fast and hard working, but they have a poor defence (with Poulin going walkies pretty much every shift!). They rely heavily on Scarsella for their creativity and Fallon to keep it close at the back. |
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Post by tackleberry on Oct 31, 2016 19:20:51 GMT
Given the tough start we've had I would happily have taken 12 points from the first 10 league games if offered that before a puck was dropped, after a promising start to the challenge cup we lost our last 6 games. On the playing front I would say out of the imports, Owen, Moyer, Paquet, Dingle, Stockton and Fox have been stand outs, Brooks, Haines, Thinel and Sisca can do better and I would like to see a physical no nonsense defenceman in for either Turon, Jackman or Isaacs, and a powerful forward to replace either Finnucci or Schaber, that would be us carrying an extra import when Stockton returns. The Brits once again must be scratching their heads, after some decent performances Tommy and Wando find themselves only getting limited ice time. How Gunny never got a shift on Saturday really puzzles me as we were really poor for over 40 minutes ( and that's being polite )Going forward I predict if there are no changes to the squad we might just sneak 8th place, if we can add a tough defenceman and a power forward we could finish as high as 5th or 6th.
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Post by sparkymark75 on Oct 31, 2016 19:38:30 GMT
Sheffield lose Mosienko late last week and are already announcing a replacement tomorrow morning. This is why we get frustrated with the club.
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Post by johndabomb on Oct 31, 2016 20:17:32 GMT
As frustrating as the lack of big, physical players who will stick up for themselves is I can understand we've signed a team that doesn't have that side to them and will stick with it. Bar the Braehead games I don't think we've really been exposed too badly in this area although in my opinion we're still weaker for missing players like these.
The truly unforgivable thing though is the treatment and use of our Brits. Muir and Wands have shown this season that they can keep it solid and contribute to us winning games and Gunn is capable of holding down a place on the third line. All three of them should be playing as many minutes as needed to help keep the imports fresh. Wilson and Scoon aren't at that level but I'm sure with work could be moulded into a high energy line with someone like Smith from the Kestrels that would eat up some minutes or individually pull the odd shift on the PK instead of running Dingle into the ground.
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Post by zamboni on Oct 31, 2016 21:14:20 GMT
Couple of adjustments and we can go further than we have before this season
All teams have improved this season
One thing that sticks out is the quality of the goal tenders they all seem like top notch guys
I missed the Storm game at FIA so missed Clemente but the whole team had an off night
Flyers really do have a gem in Shane Owen but I am noticing he is now a target receiving a lot of attention from teams with little or no retaliation from our guys
Fitzgerald knocked Owen over and got away with it,how often did Fitzgerald go near Kevin Regan?
I really hope Todd is going to deliver two changes and as others have said why cant we have fourth line we have the numbers just mix them in and give them a chance its a long haul we don't want all our star players burned out by Christmas
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Post by happydaysdancer on Nov 1, 2016 18:28:05 GMT
Fitzgerald went elbows in face against Stewart vs Coventry and they have klotz so it didn't make any difference to him. It's his modus operandi
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Post by stewartgibson on Nov 1, 2016 19:03:57 GMT
Fitzgerald went elbows in face against Stewart vs Coventry and they have klotz so it didn't make any difference to him. It's his modus operandi ooooooo modus operandi |
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Post by RedBird on Nov 1, 2016 19:20:38 GMT
Fitzgerald went elbows in face against Stewart vs Coventry and they have klotz so it didn't make any difference to him. It's his modus operandi Was a horrible hit on Stewart and one that was easily avoidable from Fitzgerald. It certainly does make you question those that say a tough guy in the ranks would stop this thing happening. Hope DOPS come down on him but I doubt that will happen. |
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Post by waterboy on Nov 1, 2016 20:00:29 GMT
Fitzgerald went elbows in face against Stewart vs Coventry and they have klotz so it didn't make any difference to him. It's his modus operandi Was a horrible hit on Stewart and one that was easily avoidable from Fitzgerald. It certainly does make you question those that say a tough guy in the ranks would stop this thing happening. Hope DOPS come down on him but I doubt that will happen. Watch the highlights from Sunday Fitzy had to answer the bell for that hit. Klotz did exactly what he was brought in to do. One of the few times Fitzy has been in trouble during a fight in this country. |
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Post by RedBird on Nov 1, 2016 20:07:50 GMT
Was a horrible hit on Stewart and one that was easily avoidable from Fitzgerald. It certainly does make you question those that say a tough guy in the ranks would stop this thing happening. Hope DOPS come down on him but I doubt that will happen. Watch the highlights from Sunday Fitzy had to answer the bell for that hit. Klotz did exactly what he was brought in to do. One of the few times Fitzy has been in trouble during a fight in this country. Yip agree, he definitely struggled in that one taking some bombs from Klotz. The point I was trying to make was having Klotz in the lineup didn't stop him doing what he did on Saturday and taking Stewart out of the weekend. Ok he had to answer for it the next game but he had already done the damage to Coventry. |
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Post by sparkymark75 on Nov 1, 2016 20:17:18 GMT
Watch the highlights from Sunday Fitzy had to answer the bell for that hit. Klotz did exactly what he was brought in to do. One of the few times Fitzy has been in trouble during a fight in this country. Yip agree, he definitely struggled in that one taking some bombs from Klotz. The point I was trying to make was having Klotz in the lineup didn't stop him doing what he did on Saturday and taking Stewart out of the weekend. Ok he had to answer for it the next game but he had already done the damage to Coventry. Exactly. He got a sore face, Stewart has concussion and will miss a few games. Not exactly great for Coventry is it? |
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Post by waterboy on Nov 1, 2016 20:20:32 GMT
Watch the highlights from Sunday Fitzy had to answer the bell for that hit. Klotz did exactly what he was brought in to do. One of the few times Fitzy has been in trouble during a fight in this country. Yip agree, he definitely struggled in that one taking some bombs from Klotz. The point I was trying to make was having Klotz in the lineup didn't stop him doing what he did on Saturday and taking Stewart out of the weekend. Ok he had to answer for it the next game but he had already done the damage to Coventry. true but who after watching that goes near Stewart in the future knowing Klotz is waiting for you. That's the difference, yes you will get a few like Fitzy who will still do these things but the vast majority of guys will not even attempt it after watching that. Which is the whole point these tough guys are a deterrent. How many hits did flyers guys throw after Fitzy did his antics a few weekends back! |
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Post by RedBird on Nov 1, 2016 20:28:17 GMT
Yip agree, he definitely struggled in that one taking some bombs from Klotz. The point I was trying to make was having Klotz in the lineup didn't stop him doing what he did on Saturday and taking Stewart out of the weekend. Ok he had to answer for it the next game but he had already done the damage to Coventry. true but who after watching that goes near Stewart in the future knowing Klotz is waiting for you. That's the difference, yes you will get a few like Fitzy who will still do these things but the vast majority of guys will not even attempt it after watching that. Which is the whole point these tough guys are a deterrent. How many hits did flyers guys throw after Fitzy did his antics a few weekends back! Well Fitzgerald for one in my opinion. I wasn't at the Sheffield game so can't comment on it but what the play on Saturday shows is that guys will still take liberties even when the big guys are playing. Oh and I'd love to see us have one BTW 😉 |
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