Flyers 3 : 1 Clan (League) 18/03

[waterboy]

Mar 19, 2017 10:40:34 GMT Dirty Lyle said:

Mar 19, 2017 10:23:58 GMT waterboy said:

His on positioning during the game is awful, he should be close to the goals at moments like that but he was at the hash marks against the boards with about 3 or 4 players between him and the goals. He had no idea where the puck was he just blew the whistle assuming the keeper had it.

The guy needs some serious help/training because he has no idea how to control a game, look at the situation with the little brawl close to the end. Fine it happens but he then sees Keith challenge Paquet who is in the penalty box (things were really close to boiling over then) its easy to solve give him a ten minute misconduct and dressing room him. But no he just lets him come back on at the end.

The fights at the end and clan clear their bench and then our guys follow suit that could really have kicked off!

Plus the abuse he was continually recieved from Finnerty and Clan players but he was too frightened to act, refused to penalise blatent penalties if it would put Clan 2 men down...Like i said before they were in his head from the Dundee game, he is a terrible and weak referee

Finnerty should face a fine for his comments after the game during his clan interview, going on about how they knew they would be on the PK more with that ref etc. Totally undermining Halas. Yes he is awful but coaches cant get away with that, he is basically accusing the guy of bias against them.

[zamboni]

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Paval let things go last night for both teams
Finnerty should get a fine for his comments

[ronniemac]

On the subject of referees.

The main concern with Referees is the lack of applicants for the jobs.
This creates a problem when people retire or even just pack the sport in, as you need at least 3 stripeys in an EIHL game (it actually needs 4 now) some guys get fast tracked to a league above their stature which is not their fault it's just they are actually available.
Again a problem raises it's head......experience, it doesn't matter how many times / years you have been on the line when you move to the centre it is an entirely different ball game so basically you start your apprenticeship all over again.
What people will not grasp is how different the game is on ice compared to elevated seating in the stands, it is much faster than you think, bodies get in your vision lines, instant decisions have to be made and hockey players can be very sneaky at times.
On a personal side be prepared to be without your family / friends at weekends, like travelling and spend many unpaid hours doing the road trips.
After all that is said and done I would urge anybody that would like to be involved with the sport to give it a go, it can be a lot of fun, exciting and rewarding (not overly finance wise for everybody).
On the finance side I found it funny when being shouted at by an over adoring father that I was only in it for the money once, the payment for that game was £10, I left Glenrothes at 1pm to travel as a passenger (no expences)to Inverness, done the game then to a chip shop for 3 fish suppers for us and it was my turn to pay so £21 lighter and home for 1am .......total losses £11 for a 12 hour shift.
Also in the minus column.
People also forget that a referee needs kit as well as a player so all new at todays prices that's circa £1,000 including skates but those items will last 2/3 years and you will recoup some of that over a period of time.
So there you go..............get involved with the greatest team sport in the World then we can all shout and roar at you from our advantageous seats, you know the ones........where all the experts sit..................lol.

[Dirty Lyle]

Mar 20, 2017 13:25:35 GMT ronniemac said:

On the subject of referees.

The main concern with Referees is the lack of applicants for the jobs.
This creates a problem when people retire or even just pack the sport in, as you need at least 3 stripeys in an EIHL game (it actually needs 4 now) some guys get fast tracked to a league above their stature which is not their fault it's just they are actually available.
Again a problem raises it's head......experience, it doesn't matter how many times / years you have been on the line when you move to the centre it is an entirely different ball game so basically you start your apprenticeship all over again.
What people will not grasp is how different the game is on ice compared to elevated seating in the stands, it is much faster than you think, bodies get in your vision lines, instant decisions have to be made and hockey players can be very sneaky at times.
On a personal side be prepared to be without your family / friends at weekends, like travelling and spend many unpaid hours doing the road trips.
After all that is said and done I would urge anybody that would like to be involved with the sport to give it a go, it can be a lot of fun, exciting and rewarding (not overly finance wise for everybody).
On the finance side I found it funny when being shouted at by an over adoring father that I was only in it for the money once, the payment for that game was £10, I left Glenrothes at 1pm to travel as a passenger (no expences)to Inverness, done the game then to a chip shop for 3 fish suppers for us and it was my turn to pay so £21 lighter and home for 1am .......total losses £11 for a 12 hour shift.
Also in the minus column.
People also forget that a referee needs kit as well as a player so all new at todays prices that's circa £1,000 including skates but those items will last 2/3 years and you will recoup some of that over a period of time.
So there you go..............get involved with the greatest team sport in the World then we can all shout and roar at you from our advantageous seats, you know the ones........where all the experts sit..................lol.

Man in the middle i believe now gets 300 per elite game, so if true, that is more than adequate compensation considering 2 and sometimes 3 games a week.
It's easy to criticise those who criticise but if you pay 16 pounds to be entertained and in some cases yes the referee can spoil entertainment (Halas in my opinion due to his eagerness to blow his whistle) of course you are going to get frustrated.
I can't understand how some referees can get it so right (Toby never agree with all he calls but can see he "gets it") and others can get it so wrong.

[ronniemac]

Dirty Lyle,

I believe it's less than that but how many years did Toby do to get to the EIHL, he was giving up a good few times long before the EIHL come along because he couldn't get in the middle.
If you were to break the hours down for what he gets you would see that getting to Fife for him would be over an hour plus you have to be at the rink an hour before face off then 3 hours for the game and over an hour home for even £300 would be £50 / hr minus tax (probably @40% rate) and yes I know about expenses for travel but in my experience that did not cover the real cost in a journey hence why one 2 or 3 officials will travel in the one car if possible and even if they travel individually the funds are split between them in proportion to mileage.
But Hey if money was the carrot why are people not queuing up for the job, it's easy to get started on the first rung.

PS, Would you have complained if you were a Clan fan at that game for an early whistle.....I think not, it cuts both ways.

[Dirty Lyle]

Mar 20, 2017 16:09:00 GMT ronniemac said:

Dirty Lyle,

I believe it's less than that but how many years did Toby do to get to the EIHL, he was giving up a good few times long before the EIHL come along because he couldn't get in the middle.
If you were to break the hours down for what he gets you would see that getting to Fife for him would be over an hour plus you have to be at the rink an hour before face off then 3 hours for the game and over an hour home for even £300 would be £50 / hr minus tax (probably @40% rate) and yes I know about expenses for travel but in my experience that did not cover the real cost in a journey hence why one 2 or 3 officials will travel in the one car if possible and even if they travel individually the funds are split between them in proportion to mileage.
But Hey if money was the carrot why are people not queuing up for the job, it's easy to get started on the first rung.

PS, Would you have complained if you were a Clan fan at that game for an early whistle.....I think not, it cuts both ways.

Agree to disagree, i think they are more than adequately compensated for the job, and on the whole i actually don't think they are as bad as made out and never shout abuse at any of them, i just happen to like Toby's let them play style as opposed to Pavel's call everything style.
I don't agree with the often heard "they don't do it for the money line", I'm pretty sure it plays a part.
I like your point of Toby having been around a long time and thus he is a better ref. Agreed so why not pay him more per game and Pavel less untill he has paid his dues in the middle. Most other jobs are paid by experience.

[coloradoflyer]

then again some people would say let them play results in more liberty's taken and more injuries could occur easily there has to be a happy medium

[joestoyanovich]

Who would be a referee its a thankless task one in which your on a loser no matter which way you call it as one set of fans is gonna be questioning your decisions. £300 quid an EIHL game sounds about the right number for me.