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Post by swarfiga on May 11, 2017 8:24:25 GMT
Keep doing the same things you're gonna keep getting the same results. Guy can't even organise proper team off ice conditioning. Gonna be groundhog season, with a team of lightweight fannies that couldn't even check their grannies. Then around christmas there will be the usual empty threats. Utterly depressing! You'll get a bit physicality in the first couple weeks but then they'll soon realise no one at the club gives a toss so they can get out on the lash twice a week and not have to bother with keeping fit away from the rink, a 8 month well paid holiday with free accommodation? I'll have a piece of that thanks.
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Post by waterboy on May 11, 2017 8:55:10 GMT
He deserved another year based on results last year. However, not a popular figure currently and therefore team will need to excite to get fans in the door. I really struggle with this part of your post. Our results last year were awful apart from some good performances against the bigger teams. We missed every single target set out before a puck was dropped and for the second season had to endure garbage hockey. Players out drinking in the lead up to games, Brits not getting any ice time despite the team facing injury problems. 6 losing seasons in the EIHL I don't see how he deserves another year when this season is crucial that the team does progress and does entertain the fans. Something Dutes has struggled with every year.
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Post by stewartgibson on May 11, 2017 9:48:08 GMT
Very happy to have Dutes return. Hopefully we can use Hutchy to help sign Swindlehurst and try steal Moore from Dundee. Id like too see us take a couple top end brits from the epl,wouldnt mind seeing ciaran long,matty davies and ben campbell. Never going to happen and why exactly are you happy he's back? Genuinely I'm interested i'll give him criticism when he has the luxury of full time brits and then if he doesnt succeed. Dont understand how you can criticise someone who has to overplay imports every year because his british players are absolutely woeful.
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Post by coloradoflyer on May 11, 2017 9:49:13 GMT
if he played the british players they would get better and then he wouldn't need to over play the imports simples
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Post by waterboy on May 11, 2017 10:40:11 GMT
Never going to happen and why exactly are you happy he's back? Genuinely I'm interested i'll give him criticism when he has the luxury of full time brits and then if he doesnt succeed. Dont understand how you can criticise someone who has to overplay imports every year because his british players are absolutely woeful. Thats the same British players who have been under his tutelage in most cases for 12 seasons now. Josh Scoon has been trained by Dutes for 7 seasons, thats an excellent display of his coaching prowess right there. Even in Elite league times he has had 6 years to development more capable players from one of the best junior development programmes in Britain. Fulltime brits from outside Fife isnt the answer as the club has over the 30 odd years I have been watching very rarely done that. The furthest we usually go is Dundee or Edinburgh Jimmy Pennycook the wood brothers Paul Hand etc or more recently John Dolan Blair Daly etc. I can only think off Jonathan Weaver for half a season and Lee Cowmeadow for a few seasons that have ever come up from down south to ply for the Flyers. Fife has over the decades produced more players who moved around Britain to other clubs than pretty much any other club. That has been in a steep decline since Todd took over at Fife. In recent years have we seen young talent leave because of the lack of opportunities at the Flyers under Todd. Perhaps if they had invested time and a little money into really developing the 15/16 year old guys back in 2011 and set that up as a rolling programme over the past 6 years they wouldnt have to be worrying about fulltime brits from around the league. Instead they basically ignored KIHC since Dutes took over. Local Club for local players isnt that the mantra? isnt that the reason behind this position of too many imports? give these local guys icetime yet we have quite possibly the worst track record in the ELITE at bringing any young guys through. Todd - his coaching performance and his overall record deserves every bit of criticism it/he gets.
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Post by swarfiga on May 11, 2017 10:40:46 GMT
Never going to happen and why exactly are you happy he's back? Genuinely I'm interested i'll give him criticism when he has the luxury of full time brits and then if he doesnt succeed. Dont understand how you can criticise someone who has to overplay imports every year because his british players are absolutely woeful. Aye ok so what does that say about him that he's stuck with the same 5/6 brits a year that he clearly doesn't trust yet he's never once bothered to bring through a youngster from 1 of the best junior developments in the UK, if not the best? What about the balance of imports he recruits year in year out... by balance I mean absolutely zero, he's got 1 top line right in 6 years. That's not a coincidence. He doesn't have to over play the imports, he chooses too, if he iced a Brit line and they got spanked every time they touched the ice could anyone really blame him for not cutting it to 2 lines to keep imports fresh? Not really it would be evident that the brits just aren't good enough and everyone would know his hands are tied.
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Post by niall on May 11, 2017 11:30:51 GMT
After a season of 14 lightweight imports playing an unattractive style of hockey which caused the crowds to dip and I presume income and profits to fall. We have decided to stay in the Elite League but we have kept the coach who will sign another bunch of lightweights that will play the same unattractive style. Fife Flyers are a club that could easily attract 2000+ every week and be sustainable at this level with the right coach and the right balance of players. It is hard to see us surviving in the EIHL in the long term with the current set-up unfortunately.
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Post by flyer007 on May 11, 2017 11:45:56 GMT
I merely think no other coach would work with the current ownership. Are there better coaches than Todd out there Yes would I like to have had Danny Yes but I do think Todd is not able to realise his own potential due to the current ownership involvement.
For me personally, I would like a big powerful team who entertains we are a blue collar town and should have a blue collar team. I hope the owners push for that as it will give them more bums on seats however, I do not think they like that brand of hockey and honestly fear they will put a poor team on the ice to ensure flyers do not seem viable in the elite league. New ownership is the answer.
You can criticise Todd and believe me I have but he cares about his club more than any other coach in the league. He cares about the Flyers and would love nothing more to see us have success and lift silverware. He needs support from the ownership in order to do that and preventing full time brit signings like Todd wanted is not helpful.
A tree rots from the core and that's the ownership in my opinion. We deserve to dine at the top tier of British hockey but the owners do not share that vision.
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Post by waterboy on May 11, 2017 11:53:34 GMT
I would say Fife could easily top 2500 average attendance with the right team playing the right way. Fast - skilful - physical - beat you up on the ice and on the scoreboard type hockey. I dont want to see another fife player **** themselves because a tough guy on the other side offers him out.
Sign the right guys get folk interested actually market the team and the games around Fife, being honest how often do you see anything around Kirkcaldy and the rest of Fife promoting the upcoming games or season.
Its mid May and we don't have season tickets available. Dundee who we seem to have aligned with have released season tickets and are announcing their first import signing in the next few minutes and have released an Interview with their coach (who has said several of last seasons team are already signed up). All that since their fans forum on Tuesday.
We get a FFP report about Todd but the club have confirmed nothing. Yet the club/owners wonder why so many fans have had it with how they run this club!!!
Broken record anyone!!
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Post by waterboy on May 11, 2017 11:59:04 GMT
I merely think no other coach would work with the current ownership. Are there better coaches than Todd out there Yes would I like to have had Danny Yes but I do think Todd is not able to realise his own potential due to the current ownership involvement. For me personally, I would like a big powerful team who entertains we are a blue collar town and should have a blue collar team. I hope the owners push for that as it will give them more bums on seats however, I do not think they like that brand of hockey and honestly fear they will put a poor team on the ice to ensure flyers do not seem viable in the elite league. New ownership is the answer. You can criticise Todd and believe me I have but he cares about his club more than any other coach in the league. He cares about the Flyers and would love nothing more to see us have success and lift silverware. He needs support from the ownership in order to do that and preventing full time brit signings like Todd wanted is not helpful. A tree rots from the core and that's the ownership in my opinion. We deserve to dine at the top tier of British hockey but the owners do not share that vision. Just because he cares (which is clear to see in his last interview) doesnt make him a good coach or mean he is the right guy for the flyers to progress. The same owners bankrolled a very expensive BNL team that won grand slams with fulltime Brits and Imports.
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Post by waterboy on May 11, 2017 12:27:58 GMT
Looking at us and the Stars we shouldn't be in anything like the same position as them budget wise.
For all home games they had 31,837 coming through their doors we had 60,480. putting an average price off £13 a ticket thats a difference off roughly £370,000. Our income from ticket sales is around £765,000 (again this is based on a £13 ticket). Our average attendance for the entire season 1951.
Anyone still want to suggest we are struggling for money to run the team! Throw in the great 8 sponsors and we are not in a bad position at least from what I can see.
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Post by stewartgibson on May 11, 2017 14:43:17 GMT
i'll give him criticism when he has the luxury of full time brits and then if he doesnt succeed. Dont understand how you can criticise someone who has to overplay imports every year because his british players are absolutely woeful. Aye ok so what does that say about him that he's stuck with the same 5/6 brits a year that he clearly doesn't trust yet he's never once bothered to bring through a youngster from 1 of the best junior developments in the UK, if not the best? What about the balance of imports he recruits year in year out... by balance I mean absolutely zero, he's got 1 top line right in 6 years. That's not a coincidence. He doesn't have to over play the imports, he chooses too, if he iced a Brit line and they got spanked every time they touched the ice could anyone really blame him for not cutting it to 2 lines to keep imports fresh? Not really it would be evident that the brits just aren't good enough and everyone would know his hands are tied. all you seem to do on this forum is try and cause confrontation. I dont give you abuse for having your opinion so no need to be nasty to me for having mine. Hiding behind a name too,bore me later mate.
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Post by domi28 on May 11, 2017 14:48:35 GMT
i'll give him criticism when he has the luxury of full time brits and then if he doesnt succeed. Dont understand how you can criticise someone who has to overplay imports every year because his british players are absolutely woeful. Aye ok so what does that say about him that he's stuck with the same 5/6 brits a year that he clearly doesn't trust yet he's never once bothered to bring through a youngster from 1 of the best junior developments in the UK, if not the best? What about the balance of imports he recruits year in year out... by balance I mean absolutely zero, he's got 1 top line right in 6 years. That's not a coincidence. He doesn't have to over play the imports, he chooses too, if he iced a Brit line and they got spanked every time they touched the ice could anyone really blame him for not cutting it to 2 lines to keep imports fresh? Not really it would be evident that the brits just aren't good enough and everyone would know his hands are tied. Totally agree with that. KIHC is the best junior development in the country. The u20's winning the British Championship goes to show they are doing something right. Fife had a team from 15-20 year olds while the english teams were 18-20 as england do an u-18 league. Scotland jump from 16's straight to 20's. Surely we could have some of them at least trainng with the Flyers once a week just to see any potential.
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Post by swarfiga on May 11, 2017 14:52:01 GMT
Aye ok so what does that say about him that he's stuck with the same 5/6 brits a year that he clearly doesn't trust yet he's never once bothered to bring through a youngster from 1 of the best junior developments in the UK, if not the best? What about the balance of imports he recruits year in year out... by balance I mean absolutely zero, he's got 1 top line right in 6 years. That's not a coincidence. He doesn't have to over play the imports, he chooses too, if he iced a Brit line and they got spanked every time they touched the ice could anyone really blame him for not cutting it to 2 lines to keep imports fresh? Not really it would be evident that the brits just aren't good enough and everyone would know his hands are tied. all you seem to do on this forum is try and cause confrontation. I dont give you abuse for having your opinion so no need to be nasty to me for having mine. Hiding behind a name too,bore me later mate. It's a debate, and where's the abuse exactly?
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Post by joestoyanovich on May 12, 2017 20:39:49 GMT
I think the owners have done all right for us over the years, how easy would it have been for Flyers to fold a decade ago. They kept us going got into the elite league and have funded an ever growing amount of imports each year.
Everybody says that the imports in Fife are on good coin, problem is most of them were no better than average or keech, couple that with dreadful uninspiring coaching and a good old unchallenged drinking culture and there you have it. The biggest fault the owners are culpable for over the years is their loyalty to our coach who in my opinion is the primary reason for our dismal showings in the elite league.
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