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Post by thebluewellies on Jun 30, 2019 14:55:32 GMT
Do you see the club as stuck in a rut with little forward thinking ambition or is the club flowery and fluffy in your eyes?
I like to think I fall into the first category.
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Post by chasingthepuck on Jun 30, 2019 15:00:55 GMT
For me as a fan the club needs to up it's game they don't do enough to promote it
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Post by flyeral on Jun 30, 2019 15:35:48 GMT
suppose im a bit of both, I've been watching them for 33yrs and I'll continue to do so. I would like to see vast improvements in marketing and promotion but to be honest I dont think mr Muir gives two hoots what fans think. However I do think Todd and Jeff do well in recruitment and coaching as we do compete with bigger budget teams pretty well. It's quite funny sometimes to hear people say how we should be competing with the teams at the top more consistently when, realistically, we have far less resources than them.
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Post by ronniemac on Jun 30, 2019 16:11:06 GMT
Because the club are closet dwellers the resources are not where they could / should be, i don't think it's funny to hear people say Flyers cannot compete but with an attitude like that they never will.
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Post by thebluewellies on Jun 30, 2019 17:29:44 GMT
They should be able to compete in my opinion. A junior development envied by other clubs for 40 years and a potential geographical fanbase envied by all bar Belfast. There should not be a bumless seat in the house on match night. Clearly things are currently being done far wrong.
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Post by bobdee on Jun 30, 2019 17:53:59 GMT
They seem happy to keep the Happy clappers on side, which is easy, but are not trying to get new people in or the people who have stopped going, to come back. Their publicity machine seems non existent and begs the question "do the really care?"
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Post by swarfiga on Jun 30, 2019 22:38:09 GMT
If promoted correctly and with a more entertaining side on the ice, we could get close to 3000 in the rink every week, considering we don’t have the huge arena costs and Brit wages of the big teams we wouldn’t be a million miles away from being able to compete, but that requires effort and planning, 2 things the management can’t be bothered with.
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Post by zamboni on Jul 1, 2019 5:51:37 GMT
Look at Dundee model Pacha doiing two jobs Coach and GM with a commercial manager We have a commercial manager So does the coaching staff need to do a bit more Also think Dundee has one of best if not thee best Streams and commentary staff and like to keep fans motivated during off season A lower gate team that I think have really been unlucky the last two seasons and continually had the Flyers number
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Post by ronniemac on Jul 1, 2019 10:57:03 GMT
This type of news has been reported for years but nobody is listening in Kirkcaldy, maybe too busy gathering up the tumbleweed.......lol.
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Post by perfectnightmare on Jul 1, 2019 23:48:08 GMT
Agree there’s a lot of things could be improved on with the club and the way they manage PR and media. No doubt about it. But still think given the size of club we hold our own in the league. When comparing the resources available to some other clubs we’ve still managed to compete and cause some upset along the way. Folk say the same every year about the lack of signing announcements, but we still have a decent roster when it comes to starting the season. Hopefully can continue to get the drums out and folk involved this season. Supporters energy fuels the team, I’ll be there and loud whenever I’m able to go!
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Post by thebluewellies on Jul 9, 2019 21:22:25 GMT
This is in response to the latest posts on the Rumours thread that went a bit off the subject.
Until TD is fired and an exciting team with exciting individuals start playing exciting hockey then the crowds will be down.
Mark my words, if flyers keep going as they are going at present then Flyers won't be playing elite hockey within 5 years because the business is not sustainable from what I can see, especially if crowds drop anymore.
I've no doubt I'll be told by some that if I'm not happy then nobody forces me to go to games, that's why I won't be going this season. I went to my first game when the plumb line was going, I have given my many pounds over the years but I certainly won't be back until things change.
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Post by bobdee on Jul 10, 2019 0:59:05 GMT
There are two distinct camps with the Flyers and Moaners
I put "Moaners" in inverted commas as they almost certainly fit into the old brigade who still think Flyers are a force in British ice hockey as they used to be.
These days are gone due to the present management.
The "Moaners" remember when the Flyers were getting bigger crowds than Raith Rovers and Dunfermline (Dunfermline Athletic were going through a bad patch at the time). That crowd could still be recovered if the management tried.
The fact that they don't makes one wonder for the future of the Flyers. What is the plan for the Flyers.
There is no real communication with the fans. They don't really try to get them on board.
I first saw the Flyers in early 1960's against Durham Wasps. Ice Hockey was exciting and the crowds showed up.
Now, sorry, poor in almost everything. Communication with the fans, why do we need that? The happy clappers keep us going. Ridiculous, the Happy clappers will not save this club.
If you are serious about the Flyer and ambitious tell us your business plan so we can get on board.
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Post by zamboni on Jul 10, 2019 6:08:50 GMT
To run a successful business requires a lot of effort and planning Our ownership run two successful businesses that have been around for a long time in Fife What we need is a Todd Kelman type GM to come in with a 3 to 5 year plan to get FIA achieving its potential again The EIHL is a good on the up brand However the owners would need to buy in That would need a bit of come and go and trust The fan base is there the geographic area of Fife another 1000 + fans could be attracted in to regulars
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Post by flyer007 on Jul 10, 2019 8:26:26 GMT
In my opinion crowds are down not due to the lack of communication with the fans although improved marketing etc would be beneficial what we are talking about here is people who used to go and aren’t going anymore. I don’t believe a news bulletin would bring all of these individuals back. I think crowds are down due to two reasons:
1. Ticket Prices
These continue to rise year and year. It is an expensive sport to follow with up to 30 home games a season meaning more people are likely to pick and choose their games. I think at the minute people don’t feel they get value for money as our match night is a pretty awful experience. The atmosphere certainly isn’t consistently where it used to be and poor entertainment pre match and during the intermissions is letting us down.
2. The Product,
I think this is one of the key reasons the crowd is down. I actually think the hockey quality in the league is generally good with fast skilled players, however, there are very few characters in the league on just about any team. There isn’t the pantomime villains the enforcers or the agitators there used to be in the league, people came to see guys like Nicker or on other teams guys like Rosehill, Keefe, Soupy etc. The league is full of good hockey players but very few characters that you love to hate and put bums on seats. I don’t think Fife want a goon squad but with little pushing after the whistle and little needle during games the excitement level isn’t there for many. So you are left with a product celebrated by purists of the sport for the average punter it doesn’t match up to days of old,
Now that is not saying things couldn’t be better, the flyers need to look at how Dundee do things. They are a small budget team yet are doing a fantastic job engaging the fan base and developing the sport in that area. We need to copy their social media and also incorporate elements of their match night. I didn’t see a single post match player interview last year whereas Dundee will interview pacha plus the man of the match or the captain and another player every home game. The GM updates provided are excellent. They are showing it can be done as a small budget team,
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Post by swarfiga on Jul 10, 2019 8:58:38 GMT
Mind we had an interview with Jack Wishart once, 8 years ago... hoorah
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