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Post by Ironjaw on Jan 9, 2013 17:47:30 GMT
Very much doubt you'll see Hamish next year cause he's finishing uni and will probably end up moving for work. Scoons no good enough so realistically even if all the imports and Dolan stay they would have to sign 2 more imps to get to 11 as Dutes will be gone and at least 2 Brits, can't see that happening
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Post by Dirkster23 on Jan 9, 2013 19:16:45 GMT
I tell you what my thinking is behind getting rid of JD what I really want us to do is to create a team which on our budget can challenge the likes of Coventry, Braehead and Cardiff and not just when we are at full strength. In our recruitment for next season I would like to see a British centre to play on the 2nd line and I would keep Torch and Hamish and probably look to either Scoony or some of the development guys to give us that depth. Look at Coventry they have a bunch of kids playing on their 3rd line and they are doing excellently sometimes it is better throwing potential into the deep end. Kids have been training with the Flyers this season but haven't even sat on the bench let alone had game time. Defensively we need to keep Kyle and I would then try and attract Craig Mitchell and Euan Forsyth. This is how it would fit together: Forward 1: Pitts Casey (New Guy) - Speedy RW a Goneau type player would be perfect Forward 2: Hogg Davies (New Guy) Forward 3: Torch Stewie Hamish - A checking line Depth: Scoony, Development Guys New Guy for the 2nd line I would look at someone like Janis Ozolins or Jereme Tendler from Hull. If they miss the playoffs I doubt those guys will return and I think both would do an excellent job on our 2nd line. Defence 1: Keller Caister - If he gets his temper sorted or uses it better Defence 2: (New Imp) Mitchell Defence 3: Forsyth Horne NM: Pitton NM: Daly As much as I love Zach I think he will probably only stay for a season and I think an experienced RH D man would be perfect for Mitchell's development. Caister for me needs to get his head together he is an experienced D man and an Assistant Captain he does not lead by example for his team or the kids in the stands. I think he is a quality player especially playing with Kellz but Danny and Todd need to have a long chat with him about his behaviour on the ice because it could cost the team on Saturday. We now lose a physical presence at the back and might be down to 7 imports if Casey and Zach are not fit. I think JD drifts out of games too much for me. When he is on he is on but he doesn't inspire the guys around him to play well. He would score on a line with quality players but then alot of guys would. If your playing with Casey and Pitts you are going to get at least a couple of good scoring chances a game. Although there would be a huge difference in cost between JD and Davies I think it would be better to use a chunk of the budget on that type of player rather than JD. The other option would be to try an attract Haywood or Walker to Fife. So your cutting Wands, Gunn, Dolan, and Muir but keeping Wilson and Scoon? I wouldn't disagree with Muir, but it's a bold move to release a British guy that's scored over 60 points in the last season and a half and last years top Brit scorer. I realise Scoon is still young, but I'm not seeing much that suggests he's going to make it at this level. Again, it's only my opinion but I don't think Wilson is good enough for a team looking improve year on year. I could see us going after Forsyth and Mitchell next year, but guys like Davies, Haywood and Walker are likely to be out of our reach unless the Directors decide to increase the budget by quite a bit. |
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Post by daviejojo on Jan 9, 2013 20:04:08 GMT
I'd probably keep Wando. He has improved massively, a fairly solid 3rd or spare D man. To be honest, I'd probably look to be releasing Gunn, Wilson, Muir and maybe Scoony, although may keep Scoony as he's still very young.
I'd be looking for Todd to stop playing at least, so there's at least 2 import slots up for grabs, and I doubt more than 4 or 5 will return anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 20:44:14 GMT
If Forsyth was to come, a certain player wont get a game or get in the limelight , so i cant see that happening..
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Post by flyer007 on Jan 9, 2013 22:11:31 GMT
I tell you what my thinking is behind getting rid of JD what I really want us to do is to create a team which on our budget can challenge the likes of Coventry, Braehead and Cardiff and not just when we are at full strength. In our recruitment for next season I would like to see a British centre to play on the 2nd line and I would keep Torch and Hamish and probably look to either Scoony or some of the development guys to give us that depth. Look at Coventry they have a bunch of kids playing on their 3rd line and they are doing excellently sometimes it is better throwing potential into the deep end. Kids have been training with the Flyers this season but haven't even sat on the bench let alone had game time. Defensively we need to keep Kyle and I would then try and attract Craig Mitchell and Euan Forsyth. This is how it would fit together: Forward 1: Pitts Casey (New Guy) - Speedy RW a Goneau type player would be perfect Forward 2: Hogg Davies (New Guy) Forward 3: Torch Stewie Hamish - A checking line Depth: Scoony, Development Guys New Guy for the 2nd line I would look at someone like Janis Ozolins or Jereme Tendler from Hull. If they miss the playoffs I doubt those guys will return and I think both would do an excellent job on our 2nd line. Defence 1: Keller Caister - If he gets his temper sorted or uses it better Defence 2: (New Imp) Mitchell Defence 3: Forsyth Horne NM: Pitton NM: Daly As much as I love Zach I think he will probably only stay for a season and I think an experienced RH D man would be perfect for Mitchell's development. Caister for me needs to get his head together he is an experienced D man and an Assistant Captain he does not lead by example for his team or the kids in the stands. I think he is a quality player especially playing with Kellz but Danny and Todd need to have a long chat with him about his behaviour on the ice because it could cost the team on Saturday. We now lose a physical presence at the back and might be down to 7 imports if Casey and Zach are not fit. I think JD drifts out of games too much for me. When he is on he is on but he doesn't inspire the guys around him to play well. He would score on a line with quality players but then alot of guys would. If your playing with Casey and Pitts you are going to get at least a couple of good scoring chances a game. Although there would be a huge difference in cost between JD and Davies I think it would be better to use a chunk of the budget on that type of player rather than JD. The other option would be to try an attract Haywood or Walker to Fife. So your cutting Wands, Gunn, Dolan, and Muir but keeping Wilson and Scoon? I wouldn't disagree with Muir, but it's a bold move to release a British guy that's scored over 60 points in the last season and a half and last years top Brit scorer. I realise Scoon is still young, but I'm not seeing much that suggests he's going to make it at this level. Again, it's only my opinion but I don't think Wilson is good enough for a team looking improve year on year. I could see us going after Forsyth and Mitchell next year, but guys like Davies, Haywood and Walker are likely to be out of our reach unless the Directors decide to increase the budget by quite a bit. Obviously I wouldn't drop JD if I couldn't get a better Brit I just believe that getting 1 guy in who is more a Flyers type player is a better move even if it means using a bit more of the budget on a British guy. I think Jamie is more comfortable on the puck than Hamish for instance and is the best british defensive forward we have although sometimes I feel he is prone to slashing guys when he goes to stickcheck. If your having a checking line he has to be in it. I won't disagree with you about Scoon I dont think he is really going to go far with hockey at the elite level but he is capable of being a 10th forward. If their was a better player at the Kestrels or U18s then I would go for them over Scoony anyday. Having said that I thought in his shifts in Edinburgh and against Braehead on the 30th he did well. In terms of Wando and Muir they have done quite well in their own zone this year but they really struggle bringing the puck out so when they are on D it is difficult to start a rush. I still feel they are slow and at times cumbersome especially against quick silky forwards and both Brucey and Mitchell are better players. If we were really serious and didn't want a play your mates mentality then this is the way forward. I would like to see Danny as coach with Todd as our GM and Bench Coach. I think Todd has done well in his import signings and would do well in that role but I think this is has to be his last year on the ice. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 22:36:28 GMT
Good post 007, the main point imo is, do they want to be serious or the play your friends mentality
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Post by Dirkster23 on Jan 10, 2013 20:23:15 GMT
So your cutting Wands, Gunn, Dolan, and Muir but keeping Wilson and Scoon? I wouldn't disagree with Muir, but it's a bold move to release a British guy that's scored over 60 points in the last season and a half and last years top Brit scorer. I realise Scoon is still young, but I'm not seeing much that suggests he's going to make it at this level. Again, it's only my opinion but I don't think Wilson is good enough for a team looking improve year on year. I could see us going after Forsyth and Mitchell next year, but guys like Davies, Haywood and Walker are likely to be out of our reach unless the Directors decide to increase the budget by quite a bit. Obviously I wouldn't drop JD if I couldn't get a better Brit I just believe that getting 1 guy in who is more a Flyers type player is a better move even if it means using a bit more of the budget on a British guy. I think Jamie is more comfortable on the puck than Hamish for instance and is the best british defensive forward we have although sometimes I feel he is prone to slashing guys when he goes to stickcheck. If your having a checking line he has to be in it. I won't disagree with you about Scoon I dont think he is really going to go far with hockey at the elite level but he is capable of being a 10th forward. If their was a better player at the Kestrels or U18s then I would go for them over Scoony anyday. Having said that I thought in his shifts in Edinburgh and against Braehead on the 30th he did well. In terms of Wando and Muir they have done quite well in their own zone this year but they really struggle bringing the puck out so when they are on D it is difficult to start a rush. I still feel they are slow and at times cumbersome especially against quick silky forwards and both Brucey and Mitchell are better players. If we were really serious and didn't want a play your mates mentality then this is the way forward. I would like to see Danny as coach with Todd as our GM and Bench Coach. I think Todd has done well in his import signings and would do well in that role but I think this is has to be his last year on the ice. I've not got time to answer all your points, but I can't see any way we pick up guys like Davies or Heywood. They'll cost too much and are probably already fulltime players. Have a look at the first Clan goal on Saturday for the defensive play of Wilson. Wands can be slow on the turn, but can move when he gets going. It's always poing to be tougher for the 3rd line D to bring the puck out. They've not got the benefit of Haines or Stewart dropping deep to pick up the puck. |
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Post by Ironjaw on Jan 10, 2013 20:37:54 GMT
Obviously I wouldn't drop JD if I couldn't get a better Brit I just believe that getting 1 guy in who is more a Flyers type player is a better move even if it means using a bit more of the budget on a British guy. I think Jamie is more comfortable on the puck than Hamish for instance and is the best british defensive forward we have although sometimes I feel he is prone to slashing guys when he goes to stickcheck. If your having a checking line he has to be in it. I won't disagree with you about Scoon I dont think he is really going to go far with hockey at the elite level but he is capable of being a 10th forward. If their was a better player at the Kestrels or U18s then I would go for them over Scoony anyday. Having said that I thought in his shifts in Edinburgh and against Braehead on the 30th he did well. In terms of Wando and Muir they have done quite well in their own zone this year but they really struggle bringing the puck out so when they are on D it is difficult to start a rush. I still feel they are slow and at times cumbersome especially against quick silky forwards and both Brucey and Mitchell are better players. If we were really serious and didn't want a play your mates mentality then this is the way forward. I would like to see Danny as coach with Todd as our GM and Bench Coach. I think Todd has done well in his import signings and would do well in that role but I think this is has to be his last year on the ice. I've not got time to answer all your points, but I can't see any way we pick up guys like Davies or Heywood. They'll cost too much and are probably already fulltime players. Have a look at the first Clan goal on Saturday for the defensive play of Wilson. Wands can be slow on the turn, but can move when he gets going. It's always poing to be tougher for the 3rd line D to bring the puck out. They've not got the benefit of Haines or Stewart dropping deep to pick up the puck. spot on, I'd be looking to replace muir n wands with Forsyth and Mitchell as they'd both be part time, both local and both better. Keep the rest of the D as it is and if possible keep all the import forwards we have except dutaiume and get 2 more. Won't cost that much more but have a far better team with more depth... Pitton Haines New Caister Keller Hogg new chaumont Carriveau Forsyth Dolan Stewart Hamish Mitchell Horne If Hamish isn't there then keep gunn and Wilson as spares. They could probably pick up a decent EPL youngster that's faster and hungrier than Dolan if they wanted to replace him. |
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Post by finchy on Jan 10, 2013 20:56:23 GMT
I've not got time to answer all your points, but I can't see any way we pick up guys like Davies or Heywood. They'll cost too much and are probably already fulltime players. Have a look at the first Clan goal on Saturday for the defensive play of Wilson. Wands can be slow on the turn, but can move when he gets going. It's always poing to be tougher for the 3rd line D to bring the puck out. They've not got the benefit of Haines or Stewart dropping deep to pick up the puck. spot on, I'd be looking to replace muir n wands with Forsyth and Mitchell as they'd both be part time, both local and both better. Keep the rest of the D as it is and if possible keep all the import forwards we have except dutaiume and get 2 more. Won't cost that much more but have a far better team with more depth... Pitton Haines New Caister Keller Hogg new chaumont Carriveau Forsyth Dolan Stewart Hamish Mitchell Horne If Hamish isn't there then keep gunn and Wilson as spares. They could probably pick up a decent EPL youngster that's faster and hungrier than Dolan if they wanted to replace him. Although I'd do a bit of tweaking here and there in terms of lines and who to retain I think you've got a very good point in that the squad you have listed is one capable of playing 3 strong lines with no weak links. It is also a very affordable looking team. I think the end of this year will be make or break for some- that'll be 2 years at this level with all the squad having plenty of experience. They're either good enough or they're not. None of the boys are youngsters. Scoon is the youngest at 21- is that actually young in hockey terms? Same age as Robert Farmer for instance... Oh yeah- we need 11 imports. |
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Post by flyer007 on Jan 10, 2013 21:38:18 GMT
Dirkster 23:
On the Clan 1st goal Ive not seen it on tape and I wasn't at the game on Saturday unfortunately so I can't comment on that 1. You have to remember Jamie was the only brit from the SNL who was offered an elite contract prior to our acceptance into the EIHL he has a composure which I think our other brits lack (except JD of course). I think he is good enough to play at this level.
I think we could afford a full time Brit if Hull can do it how can we not? Especially if you drop Dolan who is obviously on a decent wage because the Stars would not pay it. Also I am proposing going with 10 imps and a fulltime Brit instead of 11 from the off because I think having 10 gives you the option to add an import at a later date without cutting a guy and you don't pay ITC etc.
If we couldn't afford Davies then I would look at a player from the EPL or Bari McKenzie. Bari works harder than JD and would be a better fit for us because of the way he plays.
Of course it is harder for the 3rd D line but there 1st pass is pretty shoddy as I said earlier in the thread I think they are playing much better in the D zone but Tommy is made to look silly with some of these hip checks he throws (although he landed a good 1 on Keefe) and Wando for me does not use his size well enough and as you say is slow on the turn, which is a problem.
I think Forsyth and Mitch would work better in our line up than Tommy and Wando.
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Post by spudeeelad on Jan 10, 2013 22:09:58 GMT
A lot of those players will get the same ammount of money in the EPL, live and work locally and see a lot more ice time, that's why they stay there. Most of them have played elite and chose to go back to EPL Spot on, if you do a quick review, you can see why EPL players have been chosen over Fife players. David Longstaff - well, that's pretty much self explanitory, he's been there, done that in UKIH, he has nothing to prove. In the EPL for 2 reasons, he's getting on a bit now and Guildford have a fair bit of money to offer him Aaron Nell - in his only full EIHL season, he scored 34 points for Coventry. How many of your brits have scored 34 points in an EIHL season? Aaron has returned to Swindon because it's his home town and is far easier for commuting, meaning it can be combined with a job much easier. Joe Greener - has produced at EPL consistently for years now, he's young and could more than make the EIHL. However, he works for his brother's company and I also believe his wife is American and wants to return the USA. Due to these reasons, he is EXTREMELY unlikely to step foot anywhere north of the M4 because he cannot really commit to EIHL. I also believe his wife wishes to return to the USA, since they have a baby together, he is likely to follow her wishes at some point. Leigh Jamieson - has already played in the EIHL and you do not play for a winning team like Belfast Giants for 5 consecutive seasons in the EIHL if you cannot cut the mustard. However, he is from Milton Keynes and like the other players, it is far more convenient and better financially to play for your nearest club in the EPL. He can also play as both F and D, meaning should an injury occur in the GB squad during a game, he can be utilised and cover the position. So, as a quick summary, all of this 'but they play in the EPL, if they're so good why not play EIHL?' is nothing more than a bit of hockey snobbery i'm afraid. If you feel any of your brits have any merits that outweigh any of the above players, please post the player's name and merits. |
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Post by spudeeelad on Jan 10, 2013 22:17:53 GMT
I would love us to take a punt on Leigh Jamieson playing for us, he will easily be one of the next big Brits in the EIHL if he wants to play at this level As I said in my last post, Jamieson has already been to EIHL for 5 years and (no offence), did it for a much bigger and more competitive club than Fife. Jamieson will not step-up to EIHL again as he has always received decent offers from EIHL clubs, big and not-so-big alike, but has consistently chosen to remain in EPL. |
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