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Post by pops on Feb 12, 2020 0:49:19 GMT
So who was there and what are your thoughts on the answers given.
I feel the host, Ali, sometimes spoke too much and did not give Muir and Wishart space to talk. He answered the whole question on investment in the club, cause he has a company.
I feel the directors got away with non answers and turning most things around onto the fans being responsible for everything
On the plus side confirmed in EIHL next year. Disappointed nobody asked what about the next 2/5/10 seasons - what are the aspirations but I suppose it is a start.
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Post by swarfiga on Feb 12, 2020 6:41:35 GMT
So who was there and what are your thoughts on the answers given. I feel the host, Ali, sometimes spoke too much and did not give Muir and Wishart space to talk. He answered the whole question on investment in the club, cause he has a company. I feel the directors got away with non answers and turning most things around onto the fans being responsible for everything On the plus side confirmed in EIHL next year. Disappointed nobody asked what about the next 2/5/10 seasons - what are the aspirations but I suppose it is a start. 1 of them half answered the long term plans of the club in a round about way by saying they have “no choice” but to remain in the elite league, meaning until there’s some sort of lower import BNL type league, we’ll remain in the elite league
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Feb 12, 2020 7:26:40 GMT
So who was there and what are your thoughts on the answers given. I feel the host, Ali, sometimes spoke too much and did not give Muir and Wishart space to talk. He answered the whole question on investment in the club, cause he has a company. I feel the directors got away with non answers and turning most things around onto the fans being responsible for everything On the plus side confirmed in EIHL next year. Disappointed nobody asked what about the next 2/5/10 seasons - what are the aspirations but I suppose it is a start. 1 of them half answered the long term plans of the club in a round about way by saying they have “no choice” but to remain in the elite league, meaning until there’s some sort of lower import BNL type league, we’ll remain in the elite league I thought the owners came across quite well in the fact that they obviously love the club..did they love the elite league the answer was obviously no and I am sure that they would love a chance at a BNL set up as the reason they got involved was to give locals a senior team to play. I also thought Tom had a dry sense of humour that not many folk in the audience really got. Ali as a host was useless, more interested in his own voice .. shouting down someone who had a legitimate question, and not able to cajole answers out of the owners. Also some fans..deary me.
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Post by rossco on Feb 12, 2020 12:08:07 GMT
The door we are told is open - so folks time for people to start walking through it.
It kinda reminded me of my old working life - as a project manager I quickly learned that every sponsor I dealt with wasn't going to thank me for presenting the problem but only presenting the solution.
Tom and Jack are the sponsors of the club, they really shouldn't have to sweat the small stuff however they clearly need people around them that can. They say come talk so people go talk, even those who have talked to the club before - those that said they had tried or knew people who had - interesting that not one person said (or had the nuts to say) it was with either of those two guys.
It really shouldn't be that way for them but maybe the penny will drop if they get buried in a wave of good ideas and intentions from the paying punters.
They did say it is our club, so what you going to do about your club ?
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Post by pops on Feb 12, 2020 12:11:09 GMT
The door we are told is open - so folks time for people to start walking through it. It kinda reminded me of my old working life - as a project manager I quickly learned that every sponsor I dealt with wasn't going to thank me for presenting the problem but only presenting the solution. Tom and Jack are the sponsors of the club, they really shouldn't have to sweat the small stuff however they clearly need people around them that can. They say come talk so people go talk, even those who have talked to the club before - those that said they had tried or knew people who had - interesting that not one person said (or had the nuts to say) it was with either of those two guys. It really shouldn't be that way for them but maybe the penny will drop if they get buried in a wave of good ideas and intentions from the paying punters. They did say it is our club, so what you going to do about your club ? Agree with this mature approach but I am sure the lassie who was talking about the OSC specifically did say she had approached them several times. Maybe I misheard though or maybe they have had a change of heart. Either way it sounds like they will be more willing to listen to fans if they have not been is in the past.
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Post by hockeydaft08 on Feb 12, 2020 12:49:06 GMT
To me it came across as, we are a small club that relies on gate income and since you aren’t turning up it’s your fault we have money troubles
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Post by rossco on Feb 12, 2020 13:04:03 GMT
To me it came across as, we are a small club that relies on gate income and since you aren’t turning up it’s your fault we have money troubles Disagree - the money has already been spent and based on crowd numbers it appears they will have overspent this season. Surely financial prudence is most important in that situation. Now a key response from Tom on the Fan Funding question I shook my head at - he stated that he didn't want to ask people for more money - there were 400 reasons sitting in front of him as to why he should be "asking" for more money but it beggars belief that they don't appear to have ideas on how to do it. A weekly lottery, the fan fund as mentioned, hospitality opportunities. ....you get nothing for nothing and if people are "asked" the correct way and they can see and share a vision then they will be mostly receptive. It's when they hold a session like last night and no one turns up, that's when you turn out the lights.
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Post by flyer1990 on Feb 12, 2020 13:07:39 GMT
Rovers do the fan fund to great success. You entered into monthly prize giveaways where you can win money back as well as other prizes. The incentive is to help your club but if there is a few added incentives prize wise then good all round. All they have to do is consult Rovers for advice. They should start this now before the summer recruitment it might make a bit of difference.
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Post by pops on Feb 12, 2020 13:18:21 GMT
Rovers do the fan fund to great success. You entered into monthly prize giveaways where you can win money back as well as other prizes. The incentive is to help your club but if there is a few added incentives prize wise then good all round. All they have to do is consult Rovers for advice. They should start this now before the summer recruitment it might make a bit of difference. The player fund for rovers is a great example of what can be done - either via a Supporters Club or from the board and separate. It probably helps that on the board of Rovers are a few men who are focused on finance with a financial background. But yeah no reason why a development fund could not be used to allow young players to be paid full time to work on strength and conditioning and development.
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Post by flyer1990 on Feb 12, 2020 13:38:48 GMT
Rovers do the fan fund to great success. You entered into monthly prize giveaways where you can win money back as well as other prizes. The incentive is to help your club but if there is a few added incentives prize wise then good all round. All they have to do is consult Rovers for advice. They should start this now before the summer recruitment it might make a bit of difference. The player fund for rovers is a great example of what can be done - either via a Supporters Club or from the board and separate. It probably helps that on the board of Rovers are a few men who are focused on finance with a financial background. But yeah no reason why a development fund could not be used to allow young players to be paid full time to work on strength and conditioning and development. The fund could even be for a GM salary/a part time fitness coach/helping to fund brits...anything but we need the directors to discuss what they feel they need financial help with. Last night wasn't very clear on these things.
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Post by thebluewellies on Feb 12, 2020 14:05:10 GMT
'the money has already been spent and based on crowd numbers it appears they will have overspent this season. Surely financial prudence is most important in that situation.'
There lies the problem, TD spunked the money on a team of duds that everybody could see were going to be a team of duds. I still maintain TD and his sidekick should go but that's pretty clearly not going to happen. They should be held accountable. Both dictate the type of hockey being played in the rink and it's currently that type that has driven away a thousand fans.
Until they go, you can have all the lotteries and ideas you want but the actual product on the ice won't change
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Post by swarfiga on Feb 12, 2020 14:59:42 GMT
It’s next year we’ve to worry about, this years budget would have been based on the gates last season, Todd’s blew it on a shocking team, crowds have dropped and the directors have said there’s no money for changes, and it is a catch 22 like Wishart said last night, Todd has lost his stateside contacts, specifically Mo, I think that’s been obvious this season. I’m surprised no one asked about Todd last night but after the guy was shot down about the DJ I’m assuming that’s what would have happened about Todd.
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Post by stewartgibson on Feb 12, 2020 15:12:46 GMT
It’s next year we’ve to worry about, this years budget would have been based on the gates last season, Todd’s blew it on a shocking team, crowds have dropped and the directors have said there’s no money for changes, and it is a catch 22 like Wishart said last night, Todd has lost his stateside contacts, specifically Mo, I think that’s been obvious this season. I’m surprised no one asked about Todd last night but after the guy was shot down about the DJ I’m assuming that’s what would have happened about Todd. they were more than accommodating to absolutely wire into Hutchins which shows clearly his face doesnt fit. Its honestly a joke, i had absolutely nothing personal to say about the dj, i dont know him and dont particularly want to know him. How can the match night experience improve if everything has to be positive? Dont get it one bit.
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Post by rossco on Feb 12, 2020 15:24:48 GMT
It’s next year we’ve to worry about, this years budget would have been based on the gates last season, Todd’s blew it on a shocking team, crowds have dropped and the directors have said there’s no money for changes, and it is a catch 22 like Wishart said last night, Todd has lost his stateside contacts, specifically Mo, I think that’s been obvious this season. I’m surprised no one asked about Todd last night but after the guy was shot down about the DJ I’m assuming that’s what would have happened about Todd. they were more than accommodating to absolutely wire into Hutchins which shows clearly his face doesnt fit. Its honestly a joke, i had absolutely nothing personal to say about the dj, i dont know him and dont particularly want to know him. How can the match night experience improve if everything has to be positive? Dont get it one bit. Just out of interest what were you going to suggest ? He's not my cup of tea either, he needs to simply inform the arena of the pertinent information relating to the game and the club - that's what I would call announcing, his choice of tunes, well they aint all that bad and you can't please everyone. That's it, drop the "banter", it's not open mic, he is not part of the entertainment, just to facilitate enjoyment of the game with appropriate information. For example he has a direct link with the timekeepers box - just because they put SOGs up on the board doesn't stop him from announcing them - in the case of Saturday past they didn't put on the board at end of 1st, he should be calling them and getting the info - they are after all updating live gamesheets for the EIHL website as the game progresses. Yes everyone uses the EIHL website, flashscores or club twitter accounts but still doesn't stop him announcing scores of games in progress. He is a twitter junky I believe, asking people for suggestions ? Knock yourself out with constructive comments directly to him, if these are being ignored/deleted then take it to the club and advise they have someone on their team who is not customer facing.
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Post by swarfiga on Feb 12, 2020 16:20:55 GMT
On a positive note, in my opinion the best suggestion of the night was changing from a Saturday/Sunday to a Friday/Saturday, think that would massively benefit most fans
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