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Post by stewartgibson on Sept 1, 2021 19:29:42 GMT
heard we’ve been trying to coax Reece Kelly out of his contract Can see Swindlehurst being Clans signing at 6.00 am tomorrow. liam stenton on a two way
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Post by teamshaky on Sept 1, 2021 19:47:53 GMT
Can see Swindlehurst being Clans signing at 6.00 am tomorrow. liam stenton on a two way Not much of a surprise signing if it is Stenton.
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Post by coloradoflyer01 on Sept 1, 2021 20:25:31 GMT
If you had been around the teams Chad and Caly played in from under 16 onwards that gave the over inflated numbers you would have seen teams built specifically to progress these boys by their Dad's and pals. They were double shifted when some boys didn't get on, but only learned to do solos and score. That bit them in the proverbial when size started to come in to it in the Kestrels etc, up against better teams they didn't impress. The boys who should have been in with a chance Was likes of Marty Simpson, better size, as much ability, much better suited to eihl but from what I know his attitude when the chance came along may have been an issue. I believe Scott Jamieson has the right attributes just needs to beef out and learn the eihl game, again he impresses at Kestrels level most of the time but look at that league if likes of Stephen Lynch, and Andy Finlay can simply come back and play that tells you the level. If you can play for GB at any level you have to be a good player. The point is the raw talent was there as it has been with others, there has to be reason every single player doesn't make it. Ten years in the EIHL and not one makes it, is it every single player or the senior club/coach that fails. Disagree by all means but for me 10 years of the same failures shows where the problem lies. Said from the first year in this league they needed to be looking at other country's leagues dho bring through successful young guys to top league hockey and use that model but nawets waste these guys time money and all the effort they have made
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Post by grm on Sept 1, 2021 21:43:55 GMT
Guys like Reece / Smith were physically challenged- How many players in the EIHL are of their stature - so u less they were a messi type would always find it hard - It is a physical league with big bodies making big hits
How many other clubs in the EIHL have a core of local boys - none of the Scottish teams as far as I am aware
I bet more time / effort is invested than we know - So give the club / coaches a break - the flyers woukd love to find the next latto / king / Horne - but not easy
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Post by --G-- on Sept 2, 2021 11:12:44 GMT
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Post by --G-- on Sept 2, 2021 11:20:23 GMT
I agree with a lot of what is said here.
Look at the likes of Gunny, Scoon, Wilson, Anderson....played over 1,000 games between them, and maybe played 2 shifts a weekend. How can anyone get up to Elite standard if you never get to be involved in the hockey.
Training is one thing, but experience matters much more and we have proven for over 10 years we are not interested in giving brits a chance. With Tommy and Wando being the ones who did get ice time. And imho only 1 of them should have been getting ice time.
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Post by waterboy on Sept 2, 2021 16:28:10 GMT
Guys like Reece / Smith were physically challenged- How many players in the EIHL are of their stature - so u less they were a messi type would always find it hard - It is a physical league with big bodies making big hits How many other clubs in the EIHL have a core of local boys - none of the Scottish teams as far as I am aware I bet more time / effort is invested than we know - So give the club / coaches a break - the flyers woukd love to find the next latto / king / Horne - but not easy give the coaches a break...... "From the Flyers side of things We are more than happy to provide necessary support required, and whatever that looks like"
"i'm a huge proponent of local kids playing the game in our uniforms and we need to find a way to develop that".That's statements from Todd on the elite academy launch video from April this year. Whatever that looks like, thats the head coach discussing young prospects and the plan to provide the Flyers with local players, they have no plan he has never had a plan, just saying oh the young guys need to get stronger fitter faster ain't gonna do a goddam thing. He has been the head coach since 2005. 16 years.......and counting 10 in the EIHL. Summer 2011 we made the move yet no plan to develop local players for this league. "we are a local club for local players" has been a drumbeat from Dutes and the directors since it first came up at the fans forum December 2011 during the first EIHL season. Yet he/they does/do nothing about it, its all lip service always has been always will be. ' Its interesting looking at Belfast they are a relatively new club but they have been around what 10 years now, they have had 10 years to bring kids through thats how long it takes they haven't done it. They are having to buy players in and house them its expensive for them we don't have that problem our problem is we are keeping Dundee Braehead and Fife going because they all have Fife players. The problem is the other way around for us, they (belfast)dont want to take the time to bring kids on whereas thats been done for us we take nothing to do with the Junior development system it just keeps churning guys out" Thats comments from Tam Muir back at the fans forum Dec 2011. Takes 10 years does it from scratch for a brand new club yet Fife are supplying players to other EIHL clubs we have so many coming through (in 2011) Thats a comment thats aged well eh!!! Its the same stuff being said for the last 10 years its the same offering locals guys peanuts to play for the Flyers because they should just be happy to play for Fife, Craig Moore offered £50 a week to sign back before he signed up with Dundee the first time round. When your owners refuse to properly invest in young players and your head coach does nothing but spin the same headlines season after season you get exactly what we have now, next to no local talent in the line up and countless young guys ****ed off and moved away. Go on youtube and watch the summer videos with Dutes and talking about Brits and the plan to bring guys through with Steven Lynch what needs to happen how they need a plan! Five years have passed from those comments yes we have signed local young players then left them to rot on the bench and finally move away because of how they were treated. Its all the local guys own fault they didn't work hard enough they had a bad attitude they weren't big enough ( F*ck off with that one btw)or strong enough they didn't follow the system what do you want Dutes to do not play his imports.....blah blah blah I give up. It will be 10 years from now and the same garbage will still be spouted from the Head Coach. the gap oh the gap its so big, what we really need is a plan. Its Hockeys equivalent to Del Boy "This time next year we will have local players"!
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Post by thebluewellies on Sept 2, 2021 16:46:09 GMT
Couldn’t have put it better myself. Why TD is still in post baffles me especially after last seasons display of team selection and results
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Post by grm on Sept 2, 2021 18:12:00 GMT
Ok answer three questions
1. How many fife developed players are getting ice time across the league
2. Since the EIHL started how many brits have come through across the league
3. How many of the UK team at world championships were home grown
Developing talent to make it is tough and expensive
Look at football- how many players in last weekend’s old firm game were home grown - very few
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Post by waterboy on Sept 2, 2021 18:38:05 GMT
Ok answer three questions 1. How many fife developed players are getting ice time across the league 2. Since the EIHL started how many brits have come through across the league 3. How many of the UK team at world championships were home grown Developing talent to make it is tough and expensive Look at football- how many players in last weekend’s old firm game were home grown - very few 1. hardly any but thats not surprising given pretty much the entire content of my last post, as a club we dont develop players for this league in anyway. Craig Moore Reece Cochrane Scott Jamieson being all I can think off. There have been more sine the EIHL started. 2. god knows but if you look at the brits in the first season none still play so pretty much every brit from say the last 5 years. Guys like Rob Farmer Ross Venus Ben Bowns Craig Moore Stevie Lee Josh Batch Ben Davies Zack Sullivan Sam Zajac John Dolan Jewel in the Crown Liam Kirk you get the idea. 3. 22 out of a squad of 28 Look at what the blaze have just done www.coventryblaze.co.uk/news/two-way-deals-for-russell-and-mitchell-king-20210902 thats how it works you give lads a path and a plan ice time proper coaching actual development. Not "get stronger".
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Post by grm on Sept 2, 2021 19:09:31 GMT
Let’s agree to disagree
It is very tough - the world when flyers were gifted by players like the kings/ the Latto’s etc are gone
Very few guys are coming through under age of 25 in any team across the league so it’s not a fife issue it is a uk issue
The last world championship squad had players like ernardt / lake / whistle / Hammond / perlini/ Connolly/who are not home grown - not many of your names were in that squad - I worry where the next team will come from
I agree fife could do better but it’s not easy
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Post by swarfiga on Sept 2, 2021 19:31:24 GMT
If you had been around the teams Chad and Caly played in from under 16 onwards that gave the over inflated numbers you would have seen teams built specifically to progress these boys by their Dad's and pals. They were double shifted when some boys didn't get on, but only learned to do solos and score. That bit them in the proverbial when size started to come in to it in the Kestrels etc, up against better teams they didn't impress. The boys who should have been in with a chance Was likes of Marty Simpson, better size, as much ability, much better suited to eihl but from what I know his attitude when the chance came along may have been an issue. I believe Scott Jamieson has the right attributes just needs to beef out and learn the eihl game, again he impresses at Kestrels level most of the time but look at that league if likes of Stephen Lynch, and Andy Finlay can simply come back and play that tells you the level. If you can play for GB at any level you have to be a good player. The point is the raw talent was there as it has been with others, there has to be reason every single player doesn't make it. Ten years in the EIHL and not one makes it, is it every single player or the senior club/coach that fails. Disagree by all means but for me 10 years of the same failures shows where the problem lies. I think what Liam999s getting at here, and you’ll be well aware of this, is that some of the junior coaches have always, for the last 30 years and probably longer had self interest in their own sons and pals sons, now this is natural and will happen everywhere to an extent but there has always been a really bad culture for it at fife, and when maybe they used to get away with it because they had a better depth of talent, now though I think what we’re seeing is the likes of Smith who was definitely talented but I think his size and strength were always going to rule him out of being a success in the elite league, is they’re concentrating so much on their favourites who may or may not be good enough that so many others are falling by the way side when young and by the time they get to 16/17 quite frankly it’s too late, granted I don’t have much knowledge of how it’s ran these days but I would imagine knowing whose involved that the whole development programme needs a revamp.
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Post by waterboy on Sept 2, 2021 19:53:37 GMT
Let’s agree to disagree It is very tough - the world when flyers were gifted by players like the kings/ the Latto’s etc are gone Very few guys are coming through under age of 25 in any team across the league so it’s not a fife issue it is a uk issue The last world championship squad had players like ernardt / lake / whistle / Hammond / perlini/ Connolly/who are not home grown - not many of your names were in that squad - I worry where the next team will come from I agree fife could do better but it’s not easy You've literally named the 6 non british trained players from the squad. I never named all the GB boys but go ahead and add the 22 names to the list. The point i'm making is young guys like Sam Duggan Sam Jones Josh Waller Josh Tetlow have shown you can make it. Liam Stenton Reece Cochrane Morgan Clarke are the next wave coming through. GBU18'S GBU20's now Eihl signed. Number of players in the EIHL this season U23 - 20. But yeah your probably right. oh number U25 - 33! Edit:To be honest I just double checked 2 off the 33 are imports so its 31 Brits under 25.
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Post by fifeflyer11 on Sept 3, 2021 15:46:29 GMT
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Post by FedUpFifer on Sept 3, 2021 16:44:57 GMT
Guys like Reece / Smith were physically challenged- How many players in the EIHL are of their stature - so u less they were a messi type would always find it hard - It is a physical league with big bodies making big hits How many other clubs in the EIHL have a core of local boys - none of the Scottish teams as far as I am aware I bet more time / effort is invested than we know - So give the club / coaches a break - the flyers woukd love to find the next latto / king / Horne - but not easy give the coaches a break...... "From the Flyers side of things We are more than happy to provide necessary support required, and whatever that looks like"
"i'm a huge proponent of local kids playing the game in our uniforms and we need to find a way to develop that".That's statements from Todd on the elite academy launch video from April this year. Whatever that looks like, thats the head coach discussing young prospects and the plan to provide the Flyers with local players, they have no plan he has never had a plan, just saying oh the young guys need to get stronger fitter faster ain't gonna do a goddam thing. He has been the head coach since 2005. 16 years.......and counting 10 in the EIHL. Summer 2011 we made the move yet no plan to develop local players for this league. "we are a local club for local players" has been a drumbeat from Dutes and the directors since it first came up at the fans forum December 2011 during the first EIHL season. Yet he/they does/do nothing about it, its all lip service always has been always will be. ' Its interesting looking at Belfast they are a relatively new club but they have been around what 10 years now, they have had 10 years to bring kids through thats how long it takes they haven't done it. They are having to buy players in and house them its expensive for them we don't have that problem our problem is we are keeping Dundee Braehead and Fife going because they all have Fife players. The problem is the other way around for us, they (belfast)dont want to take the time to bring kids on whereas thats been done for us we take nothing to do with the Junior development system it just keeps churning guys out" Thats comments from Tam Muir back at the fans forum Dec 2011. Takes 10 years does it from scratch for a brand new club yet Fife are supplying players to other EIHL clubs we have so many coming through (in 2011) Thats a comment thats aged well eh!!! Its the same stuff being said for the last 10 years its the same offering locals guys peanuts to play for the Flyers because they should just be happy to play for Fife, Craig Moore offered £50 a week to sign back before he signed up with Dundee the first time round. When your owners refuse to properly invest in young players and your head coach does nothing but spin the same headlines season after season you get exactly what we have now, next to no local talent in the line up and countless young guys ****ed off and moved away. Go on youtube and watch the summer videos with Dutes and talking about Brits and the plan to bring guys through with Steven Lynch what needs to happen how they need a plan! Five years have passed from those comments yes we have signed local young players then left them to rot on the bench and finally move away because of how they were treated. Its all the local guys own fault they didn't work hard enough they had a bad attitude they weren't big enough ( F*ck off with that one btw)or strong enough they didn't follow the system what do you want Dutes to do not play his imports.....blah blah blah I give up. It will be 10 years from now and the same garbage will still be spouted from the Head Coach. the gap oh the gap its so big, what we really need is a plan. Its Hockeys equivalent to Del Boy "This time next year we will have local players"! am givin you a standin ovation
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