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Post by scott on Jan 28, 2013 16:41:26 GMT
Was referring to your comment regarding praise, criticism and then dismissal. Why knock someone down when they've only had one bad shift, it leads to a knock on affect then onto dismissal. Sometimes you have to take the positives out the negatives to get the best outcome in the end. Morale is a hard thing to gain when you don't have backing. The onus shouldn't be purely placed on the players heads. It's a team effort after all. (Players, Coaches, Backroom staff, Directors, etc etc.) It's not one bad shift and nobody criticises anybody after 1 bad shift, except the referees who will get criticised even if they got 1 call out of 100 wrong. At fife I have heard people criticises players who have had a poor shift
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Post by finchy on Jan 28, 2013 16:44:40 GMT
****This thread is quickly getting out of hand and I'd ask some of the main contributers to familiarise themselves with the forum rules and guidelines they signed up to, particularly in this case number 13. If people can't discuss opinions in a more respectful manner the thread will close and and the culprits dealt with accordingly. There is no need for some of the generic mud slinging going on here- lets get it back on track folks****
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Post by drhockey on Jan 28, 2013 16:52:50 GMT
You seem to have a pretty black and white view of things there yourself? How do you work that out? I will point things out based on what I see. I base my opinion on what happens. If you are Black and White then you pick a line and stick to it regardless of the outcome. I.e. you are like 'good game boys, hard luck' when you just got trounced 8-0, rather than point out, for example, that the D were horrendous and there was no spark in the Forwards. Whoever said you talk ***** was right... If your team play well you praise, if your team play bad you criticise? Seems pretty black and white to me. There are so many possible scenarios in a game than simply playing 'good or bad'. Clueless
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Post by drhockey on Jan 28, 2013 17:20:34 GMT
SPUDEE, I'm with you when it comes to freedom of speech, if the jobs done well praise is the order of the day if not a kick up the bum or more is justified. I cannot believe how being constructive is mis-read by some on this forum, Flyers are not trying to avoid the wooden spoon for a second season for any other reason than the team and fans have been short changed yet again albeit to a slightly lesser extent THE GRIPE is that it is all so avoidable because the facts are there for all to see with attendance figures greater than teams with less income yet they manage, its always been the Fife way and its wrong, how Scott Neil and the Wards must envy the income from the loyal fans in Fife. Its really frustrating actually and if the correct approach was in operation then that old barn would be transformed and if that sounds like criticism then i've achieved my goal, before the back-slappers hit the keyboards to greet about a negative post please understand that it is done on behalf of supporters who have in the past and future will continue to follow their love of the good old hockey game. On a finishing note if the Flyers were such a loss or break even institution how come they have not been sold or offered to an ambitious suitor as any other business would have. I dont think anyone has said their is anything wrong with constructive citisism. I think what FlyersFanInFife is saying that, the way on which people come and moan on here about being unhappy is unbeleivable. I wonder how many of you would actually apporach Muir with your concerns. And none of this, he is impossible to get in touch with rubbish. He's always very visable on match nights. If your not happy go do something about it. People on here have that much to say, the board were that sick of listening to you they got rid of your voice with the click of a button. I sit at games week in week out, and to be honest the rubbish I hear coming from the stands is unreal. People barely know the too many men rule but still come on here and try to crtique the game like Don Cherry.
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Post by sparkymark75 on Jan 28, 2013 17:52:58 GMT
SPUDEE, I'm with you when it comes to freedom of speech, if the jobs done well praise is the order of the day if not a kick up the bum or more is justified. I cannot believe how being constructive is mis-read by some on this forum, Flyers are not trying to avoid the wooden spoon for a second season for any other reason than the team and fans have been short changed yet again albeit to a slightly lesser extent THE GRIPE is that it is all so avoidable because the facts are there for all to see with attendance figures greater than teams with less income yet they manage, its always been the Fife way and its wrong, how Scott Neil and the Wards must envy the income from the loyal fans in Fife. Its really frustrating actually and if the correct approach was in operation then that old barn would be transformed and if that sounds like criticism then i've achieved my goal, before the back-slappers hit the keyboards to greet about a negative post please understand that it is done on behalf of supporters who have in the past and future will continue to follow their love of the good old hockey game. On a finishing note if the Flyers were such a loss or break even institution how come they have not been sold or offered to an ambitious suitor as any other business would have. I dont think anyone has said their is anything wrong with constructive citisism. I think what FlyersFanInFife is saying that, the way on which people come and moan on here about being unhappy is unbeleivable. I wonder how many of you would actually apporach Muir with your concerns. And none of this, he is impossible to get in touch with rubbish. He's always very visable on match nights. If your not happy go do something about it. People on here have that much to say, the board were that sick of listening to you they got rid of your voice with the click of a button. I sit at games week in week out, and to be honest the rubbish I hear coming from the stands is unreal. People barely know the too many men rule but still come on here and try to crtique the game like Don Cherry. How do you know the folk spouting this rubbish in the stands where you sit are the same folk on here? It's ironic, having folk on here moaning about folk on here moaning
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 18:45:35 GMT
Am getting the impression, that i dont know the owners,, i have no inside knowledge, know more than they are letting on. .
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Post by finchy on Jan 28, 2013 18:46:18 GMT
SPUDEE, I'm with you when it comes to freedom of speech, if the jobs done well praise is the order of the day if not a kick up the bum or more is justified. I cannot believe how being constructive is mis-read by some on this forum, Flyers are not trying to avoid the wooden spoon for a second season for any other reason than the team and fans have been short changed yet again albeit to a slightly lesser extent THE GRIPE is that it is all so avoidable because the facts are there for all to see with attendance figures greater than teams with less income yet they manage, its always been the Fife way and its wrong, how Scott Neil and the Wards must envy the income from the loyal fans in Fife. Its really frustrating actually and if the correct approach was in operation then that old barn would be transformed and if that sounds like criticism then i've achieved my goal, before the back-slappers hit the keyboards to greet about a negative post please understand that it is done on behalf of supporters who have in the past and future will continue to follow their love of the good old hockey game. On a finishing note if the Flyers were such a loss or break even institution how come they have not been sold or offered to an ambitious suitor as any other business would have. I dont think anyone has said their is anything wrong with constructive citisism. I think what FlyersFanInFife is saying that, the way on which people come and moan on here about being unhappy is unbeleivable. I wonder how many of you would actually apporach Muir with your concerns. And none of this, he is impossible to get in touch with rubbish. He's always very visable on match nights. If your not happy go do something about it. People on here have that much to say, the board were that sick of listening to you they got rid of your voice with the click of a button. I sit at games week in week out, and to be honest the rubbish I hear coming from the stands is unreal. People barely know the too many men rule but still come on here and try to crtique the game like Don Cherry. You seem to have a thing about everyone talking rubbish (except yourself obviously). Any chance you can be specific or maybe even give a counter argument as opposed to just aggressively getting stuck into folk without any kind of real reasoning?
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Post by flyersfaninfife on Jan 28, 2013 19:44:06 GMT
Have to agree with DrHockey on this one, I mentioned it after the Dundee game away about how some fans still can't grasp the basic rules of hockey. Example; Delay of the game, it's been around for a few seasons now and it's not rocket science! If the defending team hits the puck from anywhere inside their zone and it clears (straight over without deflections) the plexi then delay of the game is called. Only time it's not applicable is when the puck enters the team benches. … But still folk shout "delay of the game" when the puck is in the attacking zone and the attacking player rims round the boards but the puck finds its way over the plexi. It's actually embarrassing and cringeworthy!
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Post by drhockey on Jan 28, 2013 19:44:53 GMT
I dont think anyone has said their is anything wrong with constructive citisism. I think what FlyersFanInFife is saying that, the way on which people come and moan on here about being unhappy is unbeleivable. I wonder how many of you would actually apporach Muir with your concerns. And none of this, he is impossible to get in touch with rubbish. He's always very visable on match nights. If your not happy go do something about it. People on here have that much to say, the board were that sick of listening to you they got rid of your voice with the click of a button. I sit at games week in week out, and to be honest the rubbish I hear coming from the stands is unreal. People barely know the too many men rule but still come on here and try to crtique the game like Don Cherry. How do you know the folk spouting this rubbish in the stands where you sit are the same folk on here? It's ironic, having folk on here moaning about folk on here moaning Stuff on here is worse than the stands and here for everyone to read. No reason for me to waste my time explaining that
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 19:45:17 GMT
I never thought people connected with the club would have bothered with this foum
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Post by drhockey on Jan 28, 2013 19:47:12 GMT
Have to agree with DrHockey on this one, I mentioned it after the Dundee game away about how some fans still can't grasp the basic rules of hockey. Example; Delay of the game, it's been around for a few seasons now and it's not rocket science! If the defending team hits the puck from anywhere inside their zone and it clears (straight over without deflections) the plexi then delay of the game is called. Only time it's not applicable is when the puck enters the team benches. … But still folk shout "delay of the game" when the puck is in the attacking zone and the attacking player rims round the boards but the puck finds its way over the plexi. It's actually embarrassing and cringeworthy! Agreed. Basic things that you can pick up after watching a few games of hockey. And constant calls for too many men are an embarrassment to the club
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Post by heggig on Jan 28, 2013 19:52:14 GMT
Fans make the wrong calls at every rink all the time. I can't really talk as I'm not the most well versed in the rules but even I was finding some of the calls from the Dundee fans in Dundee hilariously bad. I've heard plenty of bad shouts from the away fans at FIA as well.
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Post by Dirkster23 on Jan 28, 2013 19:57:47 GMT
Have to agree with DrHockey on this one, I mentioned it after the Dundee game away about how some fans still can't grasp the basic rules of hockey. Example; Delay of the game, it's been around for a few seasons now and it's not rocket science! If the defending team hits the puck from anywhere inside their zone and it clears (straight over without deflections) the plexi then delay of the game is called. Only time it's not applicable is when the puck enters the team benches. … But still folk shout "delay of the game" when the puck is in the attacking zone and the attacking player rims round the boards but the puck finds its way over the plexi. It's actually embarrassing and cringeworthy! If it's that embarrassing to you, maybe you should explain the rule to them next time?
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Post by scott on Jan 28, 2013 20:07:25 GMT
The thing I have seen is fans still shout the wrong calls after they have been told several times its not
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Post by Dirkster23 on Jan 28, 2013 20:21:16 GMT
The thing I have seen is fans still shout the wrong calls after they have been told several times its not You must be really unlucky with the area you watch from then. Think I've maybe heard too many men or delay of the game calls half a dozen times this season when it wasn't justified.
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