spudeeelad
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EIHL Team: Manchester Storm
NHL Team: Tampa Bay Lightning
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Post by spudeeelad on Jan 30, 2013 13:36:57 GMT
Yeah you only have to look at average age to see why. Fife's average is almost 30! Actually Flyers average age this year is just over 27 and that doesn't include Steven King as he has hardly played for us According to Elite Prospects, your average age is 28.86, so close to 30. According to the same source, Dundee's average is 25.72.
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Post by Dirkster23 on Jan 30, 2013 13:47:16 GMT
No AHL experience in their ranks apart from Rio and Flyer is right their accomodation is different but like Ive said before you cannot purely look at fan numbers they maybe have a bigger sponsorship portfolio or are more economical with their cash. I don't think we get the most bang for our buck and that is the real issue. If we can't afford another player there is a problem somewhere within the structure of our club because we should be able to afford 11 with a fanbase of our size. Hutchy also played in the AHL. For us both Pitton's have played in the AHL and Casey has made 3 appearances. On the flip side, Keller, Hogg and Carriveau all had under 100 pro games under their belts when they signed for us.
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finchy
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EIHL Team: Fife Flyers
NHL Team: New Jersey Devil
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Post by finchy on Jan 30, 2013 13:51:29 GMT
No AHL experience in their ranks apart from Rio and Flyer is right their accomodation is different but like Ive said before you cannot purely look at fan numbers they maybe have a bigger sponsorship portfolio or are more economical with their cash. I don't think we get the most bang for our buck and that is the real issue. If we can't afford another player there is a problem somewhere within the structure of our club because we should be able to afford 11 with a fanbase of our size. Hutchins has played AHL too. We have 3 players with AHL experince with only 1 (J.Pitton) who's spent significant time there. Apart from that the pedigrees of both sets of imports are similar. Trust me! You're right though- we need to find ways of getting more bang for our buck. There is a bit of a misconception that we somehow have gone for quality over quantity. Our imports are good and have played well but it's not like we've got 9/10 that are top notch.
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Post by daviejojo on Jan 30, 2013 13:52:20 GMT
Flyers TV from last week, Dutes looked hacked off, and frustrated at lack of numbers. We know where the stumbling block is, it's not difficult to see.
Everyone knows we struggle for depth. Not skill or quality, it's depth
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Post by ckbell63 on Jan 30, 2013 14:46:24 GMT
Next season we should get 11 journeymen that are cheap rather than going for more quality as it is a numbers game and if there is not the budget for the standard the owners want then drop the standards. I know we would prefer good quality ones but may have to wait a few years. We really need the locals to learn from experienced players who have played and been coached at a higher level than our local hockey. There must be some attractions for players to come over here. There must be guys who would love to play golf etc and experience this part of the world. Either that or go for European ones that are cheaper until we can bring through good quality local guys.
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Jan 30, 2013 14:57:03 GMT
I can't understand this quality over quantity argument, we have Todd ( one of lowest grade imports in the league), Danny who's scoring would see him gassed from most other teams (although I am happy to have him for what else he brings) and Zach, Hogger whose relatvely young age and inexperience would I assume not see them on top wages!!!, it just doesn't add up
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Post by sparkymark75 on Jan 30, 2013 16:01:39 GMT
Smoke, smoke everywhere...
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Post by daviejojo on Jan 30, 2013 16:02:24 GMT
Fire, Fire.....call 999
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Post by flyer007 on Jan 30, 2013 16:29:59 GMT
Hogger has a considerably better junior pedigree than any of the Stars and was a pick like Zach he just hasn't adjusted to the pro game yet. Casey is better than anything they have to offer and both Pitts will command a big wage. You might get Moore and Kraus for the same as JP for instance.Ok Hutchy has played AHL but if you want to be really pedantic so did Todd.
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Jan 30, 2013 16:56:31 GMT
No one is saying they are not good players, just that they will not all be earning top dollar, so in my opinion (and that's all it is) we are not paying top quality players money, its all a smokescreen, and Dutes AHL, Yip showed a few years ago but you can't beat age
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ronniemac
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NHL Team: Chicago Blackhawks
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Post by ronniemac on Jan 30, 2013 16:59:53 GMT
Its not a question of should, its a definite WE CAN.
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Post by harlan on Jan 30, 2013 17:12:56 GMT
Actually Flyers average age this year is just over 27 and that doesn't include Steven King as he has hardly played for us According to Elite Prospects, your average age is 28.86, so close to 30. According to the same source, Dundee's average is 25.72. As I said I didn't include Steven King which takes it down to 27
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Post by Dirkster23 on Jan 30, 2013 17:36:57 GMT
Hogger has a considerably better junior pedigree than any of the Stars and was a pick like Zach he just hasn't adjusted to the pro game yet. Casey is better than anything they have to offer and both Pitts will command a big wage. You might get Moore and Kraus for the same as JP for instance.Ok Hutchy has played AHL but if you want to be really pedantic so did Todd. I'd guess there's a very strong arguement that Ryhanen is as good as Casey, he also has extensive experience in the top league in Finland which must be comparable with the AHL. You really should have checked the WHL stats for Kraus and Wirll before making your initial statement I'm sure when the Flyers are negotiating contracts, they base their figures on the standard the player is currently playing, not what they did in the juniors 7 years ago.
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Post by flyer007 on Jan 30, 2013 19:04:50 GMT
very true dirkster although hoggi obviously shone brighter Ashe was drafted whereas kraus and wirll were not. Yeah Sami is perhaps as good as casey skill wise but casey is a leader and I don't think Sami is
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Post by jaf541 on Jan 30, 2013 20:50:43 GMT
I take it we must make the assumption then that if Galbraith has signed it will be given in the FFP this week.??
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