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Post by swarfiga on Mar 8, 2015 11:49:17 GMT
The majority of our penalties are our slow D being turned and getting caught on lazy hooking and tripping pens
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Post by langtouner on Mar 8, 2015 12:15:42 GMT
Absolutely brutal tonight! Sorry to say but this was on of the worst performances of the season when we are supposed to be in play off mode!! Wholesale clear out required for next season including coaches! Sorry but directors need to understand this isn't SNL and players & coach need to be held to account! Hope they all enjoys Nico birthday party but to be honest it did look like they started the celebration at 7:15 tonight! You have hit the nail on the head. The Directors, (in fact it is only one, Tom Muir as he calls all the shots) is running the whole club the way he always has, and we are stuck in the SNL. As I have said before the attitude permeates through the whole organisation. If we are amateurs off the ice this will show on the ice and that is what is happening. Lack of preseason is a great example. There is though a lack of understanding on the part of fans as to what the owner regards as success. Fans want trophies, owner wants money. Trophies for him would be a nice bonus but financial return is more important. Owner will have made a small fortune this year,( I understand he did well last year too) and will see this season as a success, and this will continue as long as the fans put up with mediocrity, which we seem prepared to. Why should he invest more when he will more than likely have a reduced profit margin. We finish 8th his return is x% he invests more and we finish 5th his return might be 50% of x. I don't really blame the players more the organisational environment in which they have to train and play.
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niall
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Post by niall on Mar 8, 2015 12:26:34 GMT
Other than 3 or 4 players, the whole team never really turned up. At this stage of the season, in such an important game against rivals for a play-off place. It is totally unacceptable. If Todd or Danny had any backbone, they would have postponed Niko's birthday party. I think we are all guilty of being excessive in praise after a win or excessive in criticism after a defeat. So we will move on to next week where an improvement in effort will surely result in a 4-point weekend. We will be one step closer to the play-offs. However, can any of us see us beating any of the current top 4 over 2 legs?
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Post by swarfiga on Mar 8, 2015 13:03:53 GMT
Absolutely brutal tonight! Sorry to say but this was on of the worst performances of the season when we are supposed to be in play off mode!! Wholesale clear out required for next season including coaches! Sorry but directors need to understand this isn't SNL and players & coach need to be held to account! Hope they all enjoys Nico birthday party but to be honest it did look like they started the celebration at 7:15 tonight! You have hit the nail on the head. The Directors, (in fact it is only one, Tom Muir as he calls all the shots) is running the whole club the way he always has, and we are stuck in the SNL. As I have said before the attitude permeates through the whole organisation. If we are amateurs off the ice this will show on the ice and that is what is happening. Lack of preseason is a great example. There is though a lack of understanding on the part of fans as to what the owner regards as success. Fans want trophies, owner wants money. Trophies for him would be a nice bonus but financial return is more important. Owner will have made a small fortune this year,( I understand he did well last year too) and will see this season as a success, and this will continue as long as the fans put up with mediocrity, which we seem prepared to. Why should he invest more when he will more than likely have a reduced profit margin. We finish 8th his return is x% he invests more and we finish 5th his return might be 50% of x. I don't really blame the players more the organisational environment in which they have to train and play. Yep all of this "hockey teams are lucky to break even" is a load of s#*t, they made about 250k last year and no matter what any happy clapper says that's the truth. If he took a less profit for a season or 2 there's no reason why if we put a successful team on the ice like braehead have that we couldn't be selling the rink out most weeks and with the conference set up (which could really benefit us) be competing for silverware. Like it or not braehead should be the benchmark for us and we're falling further and further behind, just look at basic things like fitness, were the least fit team in the league overall by a mile! And that doesn't cost the club anything. Tam Muir doesn't care, Dutaiume is happy to accept this because he doesn't have a clue. I'm sure his hearts in the right place but time to move on. Let them train during the day because they bring the money into the rink and they're the only pro outfit at the rink, that's a must for me. And get a grip and put them on a leash when it comes to the drinking because "pro athletes" being out drinking a couple times a week will and does have an effect on their performance and it shows! Major surgery is needed but will it happen? Absolutely not. That's me done for the season anyway, not wasting a penny more. Stirling flyers commentary is more entertaining than being at the games these days.
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Post by perthfifeflyer on Mar 8, 2015 13:25:55 GMT
I can't understand why when we have a game Saturday and Sundays he ices just the top two lines for most of Saturday's game yet when we only have a game on Saturday alone he ices the three lines!?
The third line shouldn't have got on the ice from the half way point. Waste of bloody time.
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Post by zamboni on Mar 8, 2015 13:28:23 GMT
Absolutely brutal tonight! Sorry to say but this was on of the worst performances of the season when we are supposed to be in play off mode!! Wholesale clear out required for next season including coaches! Sorry but directors need to understand this isn't SNL and players & coach need to be held to account! Hope they all enjoys Nico birthday party but to be honest it did look like they started the celebration at 7:15 tonight! You have hit the nail on the head. The Directors, (in fact it is only one, Tom Muir as he calls all the shots) is running the whole club the way he always has, and we are stuck in the SNL. As I have said before the attitude permeates through the whole organisation. If we are amateurs off the ice this will show on the ice and that is what is happening. Lack of preseason is a great example. There is though a lack of understanding on the part of fans as to what the owner regards as success. Fans want trophies, owner wants money. Trophies for him would be a nice bonus but financial return is more important. Owner will have made a small fortune this year,( I understand he did well last year too) and will see this season as a success, and this will continue as long as the fans put up with mediocrity, which we seem prepared to. Why should he invest more when he will more than likely have a reduced profit margin. We finish 8th his return is x% he invests more and we finish 5th his return might be 50% of x. I don't really blame the players more the organisational environment in which they have to train and play. As far as paying players to play Ice Hockey Flyers are up there We don't recruit to finish 8th or 5th we recruit to be competitive and hopefully win a trophy as we have done in the past We don't have resources to bring in NHL standard players however if you look at all our imports individually they would get on any team in this league. Todd and Danny are Hockey guys both good playing careers and have won trophy's. Would rather have them than Hutchins,Hartmann,Lord,Pacha or Adams We have just been inconsistent, Injuries,suspensions loss of form and 1 goal game losses have not helped this season. As for Nicos Birthday that had nothing to do with not winning last night you saw flashes of determination and drive to get back in to it but we left ourselves wide open at the back and exposed Regan. The 5 on 3 that led to Hulls SH goal is pee wee stuff inexcusable, the mood in the camp is not right this season for whatever reason, comfort zone and lack of taking ownership all contributing factors. There is a Roster thread elsewhere, however I don't think there will be a high % of the current Roster wanting to come back, I think we will see 4 at most returning if that, many of them will be looking forward to getting away from Kirkcaldy.
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Post by langtouner on Mar 8, 2015 14:33:05 GMT
You have hit the nail on the head. The Directors, (in fact it is only one, Tom Muir as he calls all the shots) is running the whole club the way he always has, and we are stuck in the SNL. As I have said before the attitude permeates through the whole organisation. If we are amateurs off the ice this will show on the ice and that is what is happening. Lack of preseason is a great example. There is though a lack of understanding on the part of fans as to what the owner regards as success. Fans want trophies, owner wants money. Trophies for him would be a nice bonus but financial return is more important. Owner will have made a small fortune this year,( I understand he did well last year too) and will see this season as a success, and this will continue as long as the fans put up with mediocrity, which we seem prepared to. Why should he invest more when he will more than likely have a reduced profit margin. We finish 8th his return is x% he invests more and we finish 5th his return might be 50% of x. I don't really blame the players more the organisational environment in which they have to train and play. Yep all of this "hockey teams are lucky to break even" is a load of s#*t, they made about 250k last year and no matter what any happy clapper says that's the truth. If he took a less profit for a season or 2 there's no reason why if we put a successful team on the ice like braehead have that we couldn't be selling the rink out most weeks and with the conference set up (which could really benefit us) be competing for silverware. Like it or not braehead should be the benchmark for us and we're falling further and further behind, just look at basic things like fitness, were the least fit team in the league overall by a mile! And that doesn't cost the club anything. Tam Muir doesn't care, Dutaiume is happy to accept this because he doesn't have a clue. I'm sure his hearts in the right place but time to move on. Let them train during the day because they bring the money into the rink and they're the only pro outfit at the rink, that's a must for me. And get a grip and put them on a leash when it comes to the drinking because "pro athletes" being out drinking a couple times a week will and does have an effect on their performance and it shows! Major surgery is needed but will it happen? Absolutely not. That's me done for the season anyway, not wasting a penny more. Stirling flyers commentary is more entertaining than being at the games these days. What you are asking for is what any professional organisation would do, but the Flyers organisation is not professional. IMO we don't need a change of coach or players, first thing we need is a new owner, or the existing owner to completely change his mindset (and let's be honest it is not as if he needs the money from the Flyers) to bring a professional attitude and everything will follow from that.
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icysmith
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Post by icysmith on Mar 8, 2015 15:18:46 GMT
For me, it`s purely down to the coaches.
Let`s be honest, after the run we had last year where NOBODY wanted us in the play-offs, we were all pretty damned happy with the squad this year when the season begun.
As others have been saying, the other teams have had us sussed from early doors.
So what`s the common denominator? The players have not lost their hockey ability so it`s down to the coach to instill discipline and tactics etc. Something Dutes clearly doesn't`t have the nous for. At times, we have played as well as we did last year but too inconsistent. I know for a fact there is disharmony in the dressing room and certain players don`t want to come back due to that. And that is down to 2 people. And while I`m at it, one of those 2 really needs to learn to pass. This is a team game and too many play for themselves.
Coaches, bag, P45 for me I`m afraid.
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Post by sparkymark75 on Mar 8, 2015 16:23:54 GMT
It just feels like the majority of goals we are giving up this season all start with a breakdown at the opposition blue line. Poor decision making and a slow defence are costing us goals. Our PK seems to be pretty solid.
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icysmith
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Post by icysmith on Mar 8, 2015 19:46:54 GMT
Which makes it all the more frustrating sparky.
We defend better with 4 than we do with 5.
Don't forget though we`ve been running the best part of 3 months a D man down.
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Post by langtouner on Mar 8, 2015 20:31:54 GMT
Dundee gubbing Hull 6-1 without Hutchins and with a banged up goalie. Kinda puts our performance last night into a perspective. If Edinburgh beat Hull Tuesday we will really be in a difficult spot. We might need to beat Belfast and or Braehead to finish 8th. Amazing how we have ended up where we have.
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Post by icysmith on Mar 8, 2015 20:59:17 GMT
Dundee gubbing Hull 6-1 without Hutchins and with a banged up goalie. Kinda puts our performance last night into a perspective. If Edinburgh beat Hull Tuesday we will really be in a difficult spot. We might need to beat Belfast and or Braehead to finish 8th. Amazing how we have ended up where we have. Which is no bad thing. We`re not depending on anybody for favours so if we can`t win these games then we don`t deserve to qualify.
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Post by stewartgibson on Mar 8, 2015 22:42:31 GMT
So many things have went wrong this season. Coaching ad the style we play is probably the main thing,comparing the way we played when we had haines and pitton to where we have fulton and Reber. The past two seasons we've played pretty boring dump and chase hockey. Not one of our brits is good enough for the EIHL,the past two seasons the third line hasnt chipped in regularly enough. We havent had an out an out stay at home defenceman since caister. Danny Stewart has absolute no confidence in passing to the brits and i dont blame him. We have to many luxury players,we need to chose 1 or 2 out of chaumont,lukacevic or auger. We have no size up fromt and hardly any creativity once we're in the offensive zone. No complaints about PP or PK as i think we're quite highup on the stats with them. I think we're a decent brit core and couple change in imports away from being a good team although i do think Dutes has had enough time to do this and we havent got any better in 4 seasons.
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Post by brunchie19 on Mar 9, 2015 0:29:59 GMT
So many things have went wrong this season. Coaching ad the style we play is probably the main thing,comparing the way we played when we had haines and pitton to where we have fulton and Reber. The past two seasons we've played pretty boring dump and chase hockey. Not one of our brits is good enough for the EIHL,the past two seasons the third line hasnt chipped in regularly enough. We havent had an out an out stay at home defenceman since caister. Danny Stewart has absolute no confidence in passing to the brits and i dont blame him. We have to many luxury players,we need to chose 1 or 2 out of chaumont,lukacevic or auger. We have no size up fromt and hardly any creativity once we're in the offensive zone. No complaints about PP or PK as i think we're quite highup on the stats with them. I think we're a decent brit core and couple change in imports away from being a good team although i do think Dutes has had enough time to do this and we havent got any better in 4 seasons. Agreeing with pretty much everything you've said here but I was of the same opinion as you when it comes to Danny and his lack of confidence in his Brit linemates but watch him on a full import line, he's just as shy when it comes to making a pass. Now I'm not sure if it is a linemate confidence issue, greed or just lack of passing ability.
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Post by coloradoflyer on Mar 9, 2015 8:25:29 GMT
the better team on the night won, hull wanted it more, like said regan, fleming were the 2 best players on the ice for us, and fulton and reebs were ok too, but at the end of the day you can't play dunmp nad chase hockey against a team with the speed hull have, and we got done good and proper, and what makes it worse is the team at the bottom of the league got walloped 12-0 then on sunday stuffed hull nae problem 6-1, this simply isn't good enough, and yet again in an interview the coach says the players were told and obviously didn't listen, well eh that tells me the players don't respect you coach
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