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Post by harlan on Aug 2, 2015 9:43:08 GMT
In your opinion will make this league better?
I have been thinking about this subject for a little while and I have a few ideas about it but I also have one at the top of my list so I thought that I would put it out to you guys to see what your one idea would be.
Lets put a time limit of until next Sunday as well so people can have a bit of thinking time, obviously the thread can stay open longer but say next Sunday for people to come up with their idea.
If you want to give a reason for your idea brilliant, if not thats fine too but it would be good to get peoples thinking for their idea but try and stick with your idea, don't put an idea down and then three posts later come up with another idea because you've been persuaded by someone else. By all means debate and argue, obviously within the guidelines of the forum but if you can, stick to your convictions.
I suspect I know what the number 1 thing will be.
I will share my thing next Sunday because I am keen to see how many other people are on my wavelength, believe me it doesn't matter peoples arguments over the next week my idea is not going to change and also because this is my ball and I can do what I like with it :-)
So over to you guys, lets see if this runs.
What one thing in your opinion will make this league better
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Post by kdd on Aug 2, 2015 10:21:42 GMT
Much lower number of imports and opportunities for British kids to progress out of junior development teams. Simple!
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Aug 2, 2015 11:03:21 GMT
Much lower number of imports and opportunities for British kids to progress out of junior development teams. Simple! Only if you want to see a poorer standard of hockey, I would prefer if there was enough teams for a farm team system so we could develop, won't happen though as we are still a minority sport realistically |
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Post by regdunlop on Aug 2, 2015 11:11:46 GMT
Absolutely agree with the above post. It seems pretty obvious that sheffield, nottingham, belfast and possibly clan are the ones constantly looking 2 increase the import numbers, while hull definately weren't, ourselves, edinburgh and dundee probably not either and we saw the consequences with both hull, and newcastle before that folding. Problem is these arena teams revenue is far greater. There are a group of teams in the elite and epl other than the aforementioned who are all at a similiar level. If those teams grouped together and locked out the arena sides, we would have a more balanced competitive league.
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Post by kdd on Aug 2, 2015 11:24:27 GMT
Absolutely agree with the above post. It seems pretty obvious that sheffield, nottingham, belfast and possibly clan are the ones constantly looking 2 increase the import numbers, while hull definately weren't, ourselves, edinburgh and dundee probably not either and we saw the consequences with both hull, and newcastle before that folding. Problem is these arena teams revenue is far greater. There are a group of teams in the elite and epl other than the aforementioned who are all at a similiar level. If those teams grouped together and locked out the arena sides, we would have a more balanced competitive league. Fife, Dundee and Edinburgh could jack the Elite League, make a new British League with the EPL if they would introduce conferencing! |
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Aug 2, 2015 15:14:19 GMT
Absolutely agree with the above post. It seems pretty obvious that sheffield, nottingham, belfast and possibly clan are the ones constantly looking 2 increase the import numbers, while hull definately weren't, ourselves, edinburgh and dundee probably not either and we saw the consequences with both hull, and newcastle before that folding. Problem is these arena teams revenue is far greater. There are a group of teams in the elite and epl other than the aforementioned who are all at a similiar level. If those teams grouped together and locked out the arena sides, we would have a more balanced competitive league. Fife, Dundee and Edinburgh could jack the Elite League, make a new British League with the EPL if they would introduce conferencing! But why, it's a lower level than the bnl, in all honesty I want my money to be used to watch the highest level possible. And that is elite, there is not enough good junior players to make a high quality competative league, we have moved forward in quality why take a huge step back. |
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Post by regdunlop on Aug 2, 2015 15:44:32 GMT
I can see your point about the standard of hockey, but the eihl is an artificial standard because more than half of the players are no british. i guess i was lucky growing up watching the flyers during the heineken days, 3 imports, there was no choice but to play local players, and fife had loads of good ones. I still remember seeing lots of competitive games, and was certainly entertaining. I reckon the eihl at the moment benefits the arena teams more than anyone else, instead of the 15- 20 clubs in the uk who are below them in terms of fanbase etc. ie benefiting the few rather than the many, and i don't believe it's the best format, in the long term for the progression of british players either.
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Aug 2, 2015 16:23:26 GMT
I grew up watching in the Heineken era as well, and yeah it was easily the best time I ever had watching hockey, but the game has changed, we can never go back to that, do we really want to go back to something like the snl, which quite frankly was awful. I don't think I could handle that again. We now play to crowds of 3000, that's ten times what we had snl, the fans like elite, the way the game is played now with more emphisis on size and speed means we could not go back to Heineken as if you were honest it was the physical aspect and fights and 15 goals a game that made it entertaining. This has been through rule changes and refereeing phased out of the modern game.
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Post by jambitink on Aug 2, 2015 17:21:15 GMT
The crowds during the SNL era showed that fans don't actually care about wether its locals on the ice or not.
If the Flyers iced a winning team of just imports the supporters would turn up in big numbers.
I wasn't around during the Heineken era but a league that has 15 goals per game suggests a gulf in class between imports and locals instead of a better quality of hockey.
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Post by regdunlop on Aug 2, 2015 17:37:54 GMT
I'm no advocating the return to 3 imports. i reckon the 10, which was the limit when fife first joined is ok. i don't have all the answers, but i reckon at the moment neil black, tony smith and whoever the mob in charge of belfast are kind of have it sewn up b4 a puck is dropped. the exception proving the rule is coventry who came from nowhere to win the playoff final last year, who have themselves had financial problems in the past trying to compete with the arena teams
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Post by kdd on Aug 2, 2015 17:57:23 GMT
The crowds during the SNL era showed that fans don't actually care about wether its locals on the ice or not. If the Flyers iced a winning team of just imports the supporters would turn up in big numbers. I wasn't around during the Heineken era but a league that has 15 goals per game suggests a gulf in class between imports and locals instead of a better quality of hockey. Look at the track record of KIHC last season. Won just about everything there was to win at all age groups. If the Flyers played in a league with a reasonable number of imports - lets say 6 for arguments sake - and actually brought through the talent their obviously is in KIHC, then I'm pretty sure we would be one of the most successful clubs in the country, and it wouldn't be based on the ability to open a cheque book when required... That's a real club to me... |
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Post by sparkymark75 on Aug 2, 2015 18:07:30 GMT
More imports in the league actually helps teams like Fife out that don't (or won't) have the depth with British players.
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Aug 2, 2015 18:20:37 GMT
None of these juniors will be as good as an import, I want to watch high quality hockey whover provides it, if we are honest harsh as it may seem, the only fans who actually care about junior hockey are the parents, it's natural that if a junior is good enough and very few are to make it to the senior team. Then they will make it wether it be to the flyers or any other team to take a punt on them. There is no way that a team of 6 imports and 11 locals would be as good as what we are lucky to have just now.
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Post by g on Aug 2, 2015 18:32:56 GMT
In my opinion, a spending cap is the one thing that would make the league better. Not so easy to implement and monitor but surely not beyond the EIHL if there was the will. Nothing against the richer teams but I feel the gulf opening between the clubs is making the league less exciting e.g. bench full of expensive imports, best Brits and a few spares in case of injury.
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Post by amazepux on Aug 2, 2015 19:33:08 GMT
Suppose it depends upon your view on what 'better' would be. If ' better' means seeing more skill and quality ice hockey then the 'bigger spending power' of the arena teams should theoretically bring this. If 'better' means a stronger more competitive Flyers team then wage cap restrictions could level the playing field. I do like to see both and other than cosmetic improvements to our rink and others Im quite content. I generally enjoy the experience and dont expect us to be winning every match. In league terms for fairness I think that the conference system should end and go back to normal league set-up but have proper nhl style multi game playoffs
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