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Post by johndabomb on Aug 7, 2015 13:46:56 GMT
I've heard that the SNL is a bloody good standard.
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Post by swarfiga on Aug 7, 2015 14:11:26 GMT
The coaches have 5 or 6 players up ever year before the imports come in then dump them it will be the same this year watch this space that is how they feel about KIHC I want to see young local guys breaking into the team- I think losing Plews to the Caps is a massive blow to how we build a team for the future despite how some short-sighted fans see it. However, there is an onus on the guys that start camp with the Flyers to ensure they turn up in top condition so their fitness isn’t a contributing factor to them not being asked to train or go on a two-way contract. I recall Danny Stewart saying 2 or 3 years ago they were happy to have guys train provided it didn’t drop the overall speed and intensity of the sessions. I’m not sure if that is still the case, but are the guys from the Kestrels putting in the required work over the summer? It seems to me Flyers Brits that have worked most on their strength and conditioning appear to be the ones that have made the best transition to the EIHL. It’s interesting that Emmerson saw enough in Plews to ask him to a camp in Canada, but he’s not approached anyone else to even be part of the Caps academy. BTW, you seem to know a lot about the Kestrels- is it pink Floyd?!? I can't comment too much about the jump in standard although from what iv seen it looks a big gap, 1 thing I will say on plews is, you mention the Brits that have put in the strength and conditioning well Jamie Wilson hasn't been fit in 4 years in my opinion, that could be due to injury but plews for his age is a big strong looking lad and I have heard he basically lives in the gym and that side of the game wouldn't be an issue for him.
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Post by domi28 on Aug 7, 2015 14:32:02 GMT
Most of the players in junior development keep themselves in good shape over the summer. U-14's do conditioning/strength work twice a week. U-16's and above do more advanced training with a conditioning coach(not connected to KIHC) again twice a week. If kids can see it's important surely professional players can.
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Post by tam on Aug 7, 2015 15:30:56 GMT
siha have brought in mandatory off ice training for all kids as of this season.
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Aug 7, 2015 16:00:36 GMT
I must be in the minority but having watched 5 or 6 Kestrels games last year I could not see any players that would slip easy into elite level, I believe Plews should be developed and Marr could have done a back up job (if we ditched and Daley who is as good and been loyal) but if folk are being honest who else ?, there is a huge gap in skill level between snl and elite and without an intermediate step there is not much hope of Kestrels stepping up. I can't comment on falcons as I've never seen any games but the Kestrels don't have anything that would improve the flyers as a team.
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Post by bbmitch on Aug 7, 2015 16:00:57 GMT
Most of the players in junior development keep themselves in good shape over the summer. U-14's do conditioning/strength work twice a week. U-16's and above do more advanced training with a conditioning coach(not connected to KIHC) again twice a week. If kids can see it's important surely professional players can. That's a far cry from the Thursday evening end ice practice and a long lazy summer I started with at KIHC
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Aug 7, 2015 16:02:54 GMT
Most of the players in junior development keep themselves in good shape over the summer. U-14's do conditioning/strength work twice a week. U-16's and above do more advanced training with a conditioning coach(not connected to KIHC) again twice a week. If kids can see it's important surely professional players can. That's a far cry from the Thursday evening end ice practice and a long lazy summer I started with at KIHC And the rink hockey that the rink used to run during the summer, I seem to remember you in Jimmys Jets
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Post by domi28 on Aug 7, 2015 16:34:41 GMT
I must be in the minority but having watched 5 or 6 Kestrels games last year I could not see any players that would slip easy into elite level, I believe Plews should be developed and Marr could have done a back up job (if we ditched and Daley who is as good and been loyal) but if folk are being honest who else ?, there is a huge gap in skill level between snl and elite and without an intermediate step there is not much hope of Kestrels stepping up. I can't comment on falcons as I've never seen any games but the Kestrels don't have anything that would improve the flyers as a team. If you never give players a chance you can't find out if they can make the step up. What will happen went the brits we have finally stop playing every other team in the league will have our best prospects. Also being loyal shouldn't come into it. Coventry obviously thinks Renny Marr is a better prospect otherwise they would have snapped up Blair Daly.
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Post by waterboy on Aug 7, 2015 16:42:26 GMT
Sorry but you’re missing the point entirely, nobody is saying any player from the Kestrels or below can slip easy into the elite league. We have to DEVELOP our prospects so that they can become good players at the Elite level.
I really wish folk would stop this c*** "the Kestrels guys can’t make the step up" "the SNL Isn't a good enough league" It’s not about them improving the Flyers right now it’s about them being our British players in years to come.
If we had bothered to have Tyler Plews training with the Flyers last season do you think he would be a Caps player right now. If we had given Renny Marr an opportunity to wet his feet in the Elite would he be in Coventry this season. These guys are moving away because they are not getting the opportunity to progress with the Flyers.
Years ago Flyers brass would be looking at the crop of 18 year old guys coming through each year, the best made it some moved away (that's only natural). Flyers fans all rave about the Kings, Haigs, Cottrell's, Lattos, Lovells, Hornes etc guess what these all had to become the players we remember not one of them were the finished article on day one playing senior hockey.
Train our prospects, invest in them give them every opportunity to become the best they can and they could be just as good as the Brits at other clubs.
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Aug 7, 2015 17:04:33 GMT
I must be in the minority but having watched 5 or 6 Kestrels games last year I could not see any players that would slip easy into elite level, I believe Plews should be developed and Marr could have done a back up job (if we ditched and Daley who is as good and been loyal) but if folk are being honest who else ?, there is a huge gap in skill level between snl and elite and without an intermediate step there is not much hope of Kestrels stepping up. I can't comment on falcons as I've never seen any games but the Kestrels don't have anything that would improve the flyers as a team. If you never give players a chance you can't find out if they can make the step up. What will happen went the brits we have finally stop playing every other team in the league will have our best prospects. Also being loyal shouldn't come into it. Coventry obviously thinks Renny Marr is a better prospect otherwise they would have snapped up Blair Daly. I agree with everything you say, all I'm saying is the posters who argue for the current kestrels to be offered the chance need to see there is none left that can fill the gaps, we need to start going longer term and look at the younger players 15-17 years and start getting the best ones in the system just now, and get some kind of structure in place, the kestrels are giving me the impression they are a team for players that dont make the elite grade (for any team)
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Post by pink on Aug 7, 2015 17:51:14 GMT
Give some off the Kestrels the chance to fill the gap they have come through the junior development give them the chance to train for a couple off month and I bet they would prove you wrong
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Post by greyhound on Aug 7, 2015 20:29:44 GMT
Most of the players in junior development keep themselves in good shape over the summer. U-14's do conditioning/strength work twice a week. U-16's and above do more advanced training with a conditioning coach(not connected to KIHC) again twice a week. If kids can see it's important surely professional players can. Understand the point you are making, but my son plays in the 16's and they don't do any of the above? They did training at start of summer off ice stuff with the existing hockey coaches in the rink, but the take up wasn't good so it was cancelled. As far as I know Flyers this season are trying to get a link up going with Sports Science people as they are aware the benefits, so perhaps at least during the season we should see a fitter team.
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Post by greyhound on Aug 7, 2015 20:46:41 GMT
And completely off tangent, but when a child is growing they need a proper off season as in no training to allow their muscles and bones to catch up growing with each other I was advised this by a sports scientist associated with Hearts, due to my son's growing pains from training continuously.
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Post by domi28 on Aug 8, 2015 11:38:14 GMT
Most of the players in junior development keep themselves in good shape over the summer. U-14's do conditioning/strength work twice a week. U-16's and above do more advanced training with a conditioning coach(not connected to KIHC) again twice a week. If kids can see it's important surely professional players can. Understand the point you are making, but my son plays in the 16's and they don't do any of the above? They did training at start of summer off ice stuff with the existing hockey coaches in the rink, but the take up wasn't good so it was cancelled. As far as I know Flyers this season are trying to get a link up going with Sports Science people as they are aware the benefits, so perhaps at least during the season we should see a fitter team. My son also plays u-16's. After the rink training was cancelled it was moved up to a unit in mitchelson ind. est. The 16's and 20's train up there.
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Post by johndabomb on Aug 10, 2015 19:51:59 GMT
Rumour in another thread that Craig Mitchell is in talks for a return. Good signing?
What about Scott Chalmers?
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