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Post by amazepux on Aug 13, 2015 12:38:42 GMT
Les be honest about this, Tommy Muir local lad decent third liner gets paid roughly 150 a week (guess) has another job. Matt Nickerson career enforcer, 100s of career fights, will be on 7/800 a week, full time hockey player. Anyone who thinks Tommy should have anything to do with that is crazy. I agree..if the bells rings though I believe he would stand toe to toe with any of them maybe to fight maybe to wrestle..but he would stand.
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Post by swarfiga on Aug 13, 2015 12:57:10 GMT
He probably would but not in the way Nickerson does just to get the team or crowd going, and he shouldn't be expected to do that anyway.
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Post by redtussell44 on Aug 13, 2015 13:12:56 GMT
I never seen a dig towards tommy in that post. Or twisting the other guys words. I think he's right. But just because you don't like what Jambi said, does that give you the right to twist his words? There's no question tommy can hold his own and has been fantastic sticking up for team mates and you're right, against the big guys of the league he's ineffective. Remember when Clarkson challenged the flyers bench in Cardiff? Where was Tommy then? I'm twisting words? Are you on the wind up? I'll make it easy for you; Drwho's exact words were; 'Jambi' said; Can you honestly not see the difference in what was actually said? The stuff about Clarkson etc., I can't believe anyone would suggest that Tommy should be getting involved with guys like that just for the sake of it. Tommy doesnt think he's 'an enforcer' and just because a few fans rate him as a decent middleweight (which he is) doesnt meant to say he's obliged to 'fight more'. Jeez- apart from anything else, would you be doing that on a Flyers Brit's wages? There's a couple of digs at Tommy on this thread about not being prepared to go with heavyweights like Nickerson. It's ridiculous. how would the Clarkson scenario by fighting for the sake of it? The guy challenged the bench, tommy could've stepped up. But he didn't. I love how butthurt you're getting though. And please, once your on the ice, wages aren't an issue. So don't ever say that's a factor on whether to drop the gloves or not.
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Post by redtussell44 on Aug 13, 2015 13:14:56 GMT
He probably would but not in the way Nickerson does just to get the team or crowd going, and he shouldn't be expected to do that anyway. You're right, he shouldn't. But if flyers don't sign an enforcer, then I would expect tommy to answer cheap shots or roughing up our goalie. Unless one of our new imports decides to step up.
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Post by finchy on Aug 13, 2015 13:23:48 GMT
Didn't think it could get any lower, but well done!
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Post by swarfiga on Aug 13, 2015 13:26:01 GMT
Wages come into it, of course they do. You think 1 of our Brits that make pennies are gonna think it's a good idea to go with a guy like nicker or fitzy and risk their face taking a pasting and then go into work the next day!
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Post by redtussell44 on Aug 13, 2015 13:35:14 GMT
Wages come into it, of course they do. You think 1 of our Brits that make pennies are gonna think it's a good idea to go with a guy like nicker or fitzy and risk their face taking a pasting and then go into work the next day! They don't. Again, if a big guy lays out one of our players, and Tommys on the ice. I can guarantee money doesn't factor in his decision to do something about it.
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Post by redtussell44 on Aug 13, 2015 13:43:07 GMT
Didn't think it could get any lower, but well done! That's right, come back with something silly rather than answer my question. But well done
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Post by Marky on Aug 13, 2015 13:53:05 GMT
Wages come into it, of course they do. You think 1 of our Brits that make pennies are gonna think it's a good idea to go with a guy like nicker or fitzy and risk their face taking a pasting and then go into work the next day! I agree that money comes into it, I remember someone asking Ryan Kummu years ago why he didn't fight more often and his reply was 'I don't get paid enough to fight'.
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Post by finchy on Aug 13, 2015 14:07:18 GMT
Didn't think it could get any lower, but well done! That's right, come back with something silly rather than answer my question. But well done Nah, that's not the case. You responded to a point I made with your take on it- that's not you asking me a question. You've been highly selective with what you respond to so don't give me that. You've still not acknowledged that Jambitink misquoted drwho when it's blatantly obvious for a start. Said it loads of times- I'm happy to argue with anyone about anything. It's when you use taunts like 'you're butt-hurt' that it gets pointless- you're just getting away from the issue being debated. For what it's worth then, i'll reiterate that I agree with Swarfiga. Tommy is not paid enough to be an out and out enforcer or to 'fight more'. He's fought plenty and done it the right way. I also believe that if he does see something wrong on the ice he'll fight no matter who it is. What else can you ask of him? I don't agree he should be dealing with guys calling out the bench- can nobody else? The problem is, Muir deserves to be applauded as opposed to criticised for not getting involved in more fights. How come none of the guys who've never done it arent being urged to? I'm not hurt in any way, just sticking up for one of our players. There's plenty fans of other Scottish clubs that can give all things Flyers a kicking- I'd rather support the positives when possible.
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Post by scoles1 on Aug 13, 2015 14:11:55 GMT
This may as well be closed as todds interview in the press today says the last signing won't be a like for like replacement of matt. And that the team as a whole will be accountable and not and individual.
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Post by redtussell44 on Aug 13, 2015 14:19:23 GMT
That's right, come back with something silly rather than answer my question. But well done Nah, that's not the case. You responded to a point I made with your take on it- that's not you asking me a question. You've been highly selective with what you respond to so don't give me that. You've still not acknowledged that Jambitink misquoted drwho when it's blatantly obvious for a start. Said it loads of times- I'm happy to argue with anyone about anything. It's when you use taunts like 'you're butt-hurt' that it gets pointless- you're just getting away from the issue being debated. For what it's worth then, i'll reiterate that I agree with Swarfiga. Tommy is not paid enough to be an out and out enforcer or to 'fight more'. He's fought plenty and done it the right way. I also believe that if he does see something wrong on the ice he'll fight no matter who it is. What else can you ask of him? I don't agree he should be dealing with guys calling out the bench- can nobody else? The problem is, Muir deserves to be applauded as opposed to criticised for not getting involved in more fights. How come none of the guys who've never done it arent being urged to? I'm not hurt in any way, just sticking up for one of our players. There's plenty fans of other Scottish clubs that can give all things Flyers a kicking- I'd rather support the positives when possible. I'm not taunting you. I'm making an observation. Just like you made one about Jambi twisting someone's words. I have never bashed Tommy, I agree, Tommy should be applauded for his efforts. All I'm saying is with Nicker gone with no replacement, I expect Tommy to fight more. He's a good team mate. So I think money isn't an issue. Of course he would like to be paid more, we all would. But when you're on the ice and there's a situation where he needs to help a team-mate, you telling me the thought of 'I don't get paid enough to stick up for my goalie or other team mates' enters his head? I don't think so.
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Post by daviejojo on Aug 13, 2015 14:21:34 GMT
Brave move when you look at the league. We would appear to be the only team without a real tough guy
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Post by scoles1 on Aug 13, 2015 14:54:21 GMT
Brave move when you look at the league. We would appear to be the only team without a real tough guy I agree, it'll either pay off or it won't. I just think sitting through games like Sheffield braehead and te others and watching their tough guys take the mince out of our guys will be embarrassing.
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Post by daviejojo on Aug 13, 2015 15:23:49 GMT
Brave move when you look at the league. We would appear to be the only team without a real tough guy I agree, it'll either pay off or it won't. I just think sitting through games like Sheffield braehead and te others and watching their tough guys take the mince out of our guys will be embarrassing. It's maybe even more fundamental than that, if teams see we don't have anyone who is capable of going toe to toe, they will definitely take advantage
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