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Post by happydaysdancer on Aug 13, 2015 15:43:19 GMT
There will be games we get bullied and lose, fair enough. There will be games we win as a result of not having someone in the box non stop. We just have to hope the latter far outweighs the former
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Post by happydaysdancer on Aug 13, 2015 15:44:32 GMT
Plus google most of our new guys on youtube, bar a couple they all have dropped the gloves so we I don't think we will be pushed around as much as folk are making out
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Aug 13, 2015 16:04:12 GMT
Plus google most of our new guys on youtube, bar a couple they all have dropped the gloves so we I don't think we will be pushed around as much as folk are making out You can drop the gloves all you want, if you lose them all you just look ridiculous. Fans in Fife want a winner not a punchbag, let's see how long the team toughness lasts after our players have had a few going over's by the heavyweights. I think we are gonna see a few second prizes to our players this year.
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Post by waterboy on Aug 13, 2015 16:11:40 GMT
I agree, it'll either pay off or it won't. I just think sitting through games like Sheffield braehead and te others and watching their tough guys take the mince out of our guys will be embarrassing. It's maybe even more fundamental than that, if teams see we don't have anyone who is capable of going toe to toe, they will definitely take advantage Look at a video I posted a few weeks back Fitzgerald destroying Danny Bois during a Clan Flyers game- bois done for the season. That was a proper fighter getting taken out the game. We don't have anyone that can get close to the big guys like fitzgerald. When he and others come challenging ( and they will) its ok to say we will have team toughness but if one of our guys gets taken out like that and we end up an import short for weeks or months how smart will not having a true heavyweight look then. Hope I 'm wrong but I do fear that not having a true fighter in our line up will become a problem for us. I honestly don't get it having seen the impact a guy like Nickerson had on the team and with the fans, just makes no sense IMO to move away from having one. Even worse when you see every other team with that go to guy.
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Post by flyersforlife01 on Aug 13, 2015 16:12:30 GMT
There is a couple of things that need to be taken into account.
1/ Sheffield won the league last year without a enforcer.
2/ Less suspensions due to dops.
3/ Hopefully we get better refereeing as I believe Toby and Cowan have retired.
4/ If our powerplay is good we will have more chances and it will stop the goons taken advantage.
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Post by thebear on Aug 13, 2015 16:18:47 GMT
It wouldn't bother me too much if our guys didn't win every fight, what would bother me is if no one stepped up and stuck up for the team and just let everyone be pushed around. Obviously I don't want to see anyone from our team layed out but aslong as they arent instigating a fight & defending the team and then lose, I don't think anyone could not applaud them for it? Don't get me wrong if we have a guy who can fight and he wins fights he picks then I'll be happy
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Post by waterboy on Aug 13, 2015 16:22:09 GMT
There is a couple of things that need to be taken into account. 1/ Sheffield won the league last year without a enforcer. 2/ Less suspensions due to dops. 3/ Hopefully we get better refereeing as I believe Toby and Cowan have retired. 4/ If our powerplay is good we will have more chances and it will stop the goons taken advantage. 1. They had Cullen Eddy and Danny Bois to cover the fighting and a few other guys who could step up when required. 2. DOPS won't suspend any player for having a fight with a "willing combatant" 3. I wouldn't hold your breath on that one, and the refs have no control on fights happening 4. The goons all know when to pick there spots. Our PP is a massive unknown at the minute could be great could be awful.
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Post by waterboy on Aug 13, 2015 16:25:31 GMT
List of fights by each team last season
Cardiff 46 Nottingham 31 Braehead 26 Sheffield 24 Coventry 22 Dundee 19 Edinburgh 17 Belfast 17 Fife 14 Hull 10
I would say us having Matt on the Ice stopped a fair few guys even thinking about stepping out of line, Must admit though I was surprised we were so low in total fights.
Whats the bets we end up with way more fights this season.
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Post by finchy on Aug 13, 2015 16:31:57 GMT
I'm worried as much about cheap shots from rats like Lloyd of Belfast. Guys like him are quite willing to get a scrum going.
We had quite a few concussions from bad hits on the boards prior to Matt coming in. That's as likely to happen as a proper enforcer rag-dolling one of our stronger guys.
Fact is, teams do things to change the momentum of a game and we may not have that capability.
We dont need a Nickerson type neccesarily but someone who can at least act as a proper deterrent to anyone thinking of 'running around'.
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Post by flyersforlife01 on Aug 13, 2015 16:56:19 GMT
There is a couple of things that need to be taken into account. 1/ Sheffield won the league last year without a enforcer. 2/ Less suspensions due to dops. 3/ Hopefully we get better refereeing as I believe Toby and Cowan have retired. 4/ If our powerplay is good we will have more chances and it will stop the goons taken advantage. 1. They had Cullen Eddy and Danny Bois to cover the fighting and a few other guys who could step up when required. 2. DOPS won't suspend any player for having a fight with a "willing combatant" 3. I wouldn't hold your breath on that one, and the refs have no control on fights happening 4. The goons all know when to pick there spots. Our PP is a massive unknown at the minute could be great could be awful. I think our guys would be just as tough as Eddy and Bois was lucky if he played 6 games. I wasn't talking about fighting, how many games did Matt miss in two seasons. That's why I said "if", hopefully it is really good and this will stop teams taking advantage. I loved having Matt as a Flyer, but I do wonder if sometimes he was more focused on fighting rather than trying to win the game. With the size in the team I think we won't be pushed about this season.
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Post by swarfiga on Aug 13, 2015 17:13:58 GMT
It's maybe even more fundamental than that, if teams see we don't have anyone who is capable of going toe to toe, they will definitely take advantage Look at a video I posted a few weeks back Fitzgerald destroying Danny Bois during a Clan Flyers game- bois done for the season. That was a proper fighter getting taken out the game. We don't have anyone that can get close to the big guys like fitzgerald. When he and others come challenging ( and they will) its ok to say we will have team toughness but if one of our guys gets taken out like that and we end up an import short for weeks or months how smart will not having a true heavyweight look then. Hope I 'm wrong but I do fear that not having a true fighter in our line up will become a problem for us. I honestly don't get it having seen the impact a guy like Nickerson had on the team and with the fans, just makes no sense IMO to move away from having one. Even worse when you see every other team with that go to guy. Firstly, Finchy calling Lloyd a cheap shot rat is harsh, anytime iv seen him his hits are usually fair and hard, we're just not used to seeing guys that finish a proper hit. Waterboy I totally agree with you, I can understand to an extent not bringing Matt back because he did at times attract far too much attention and due to the idiotic DJ playing his music when he even spoke to someone that made it worse. I can't understand them not replacing him with a fighter that can play a bit, replace Horne who was a higher earning Brit with a Craig Mitchell for example and with the extra import we could have had room to cover for the odd suspension, the way Todd and Danny spoke about Matt in season 2 especially made me think they would definitely be keeping him for long term or having a similar player. I also find it very odd for a money driven man like Tam Muir not to demand we had 1 for the extra income which no doubt Matt created.
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Post by redtussell44 on Aug 13, 2015 17:41:47 GMT
Look at a video I posted a few weeks back Fitzgerald destroying Danny Bois during a Clan Flyers game- bois done for the season. That was a proper fighter getting taken out the game. We don't have anyone that can get close to the big guys like fitzgerald. When he and others come challenging ( and they will) its ok to say we will have team toughness but if one of our guys gets taken out like that and we end up an import short for weeks or months how smart will not having a true heavyweight look then. Hope I 'm wrong but I do fear that not having a true fighter in our line up will become a problem for us. I honestly don't get it having seen the impact a guy like Nickerson had on the team and with the fans, just makes no sense IMO to move away from having one. Even worse when you see every other team with that go to guy. Firstly, Finchy calling Lloyd a cheap shot rat is harsh, anytime iv seen him his hits are usually fair and hard, we're just not used to seeing guys that finish a proper hit. Waterboy I totally agree with you, I can understand to an extent not bringing Matt back because he did at times attract far too much attention and due to the idiotic DJ playing his music when he even spoke to someone that made it worse. I can't understand them not replacing him with a fighter that can play a bit, replace Horne who was a higher earning Brit with a Craig Mitchell for example and with the extra import we could have had room to cover for the odd suspension, the way Todd and Danny spoke about Matt in season 2 especially made me think they would definitely be keeping him for long term or having a similar player. I also find it very odd for a money driven man like Tam Muir not to demand we had 1 for the extra income which no doubt Matt created. Believe it or not I 100% agree with everything you said in this post. Well done mate
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Post by swarfiga on Aug 13, 2015 17:46:03 GMT
Firstly, Finchy calling Lloyd a cheap shot rat is harsh, anytime iv seen him his hits are usually fair and hard, we're just not used to seeing guys that finish a proper hit. Waterboy I totally agree with you, I can understand to an extent not bringing Matt back because he did at times attract far too much attention and due to the idiotic DJ playing his music when he even spoke to someone that made it worse. I can't understand them not replacing him with a fighter that can play a bit, replace Horne who was a higher earning Brit with a Craig Mitchell for example and with the extra import we could have had room to cover for the odd suspension, the way Todd and Danny spoke about Matt in season 2 especially made me think they would definitely be keeping him for long term or having a similar player. I also find it very odd for a money driven man like Tam Muir not to demand we had 1 for the extra income which no doubt Matt created. Believe it or not I 100% agree with everything you said in this post. Well done mate Why thank you sir
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Aug 13, 2015 17:47:56 GMT
There is a couple of things that need to be taken into account. 1/ Sheffield won the league last year without a enforcer. 2/ Less suspensions due to dops. 3/ Hopefully we get better refereeing as I believe Toby and Cowan have retired. 4/ If our powerplay is good we will have more chances and it will stop the goons taken advantage. Watch the video of Bois and Fitzgerald, as Bois is getting an obvious doing from Fitzgerald the rest of his team are looking away like frightened rabbits afraid to help there team mate cos Fitzgerald is a legitimate fighter, are you wanting our players having the same treatment cos we don't have the big gun to deal with him
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Post by swarfiga on Aug 13, 2015 17:53:23 GMT
Plus it's clear from the start Bois isn't interested which shows some of the big enforcers will leather you up and down even if you decline the invite to dance
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