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Post by ojc123 on Nov 10, 2015 19:28:27 GMT
www.hse.gov.uk/noise/mythaug07.pdf is interesting. I think the risks of permanent hearing damage from the levels involved is quite small. It's really a question of comfort and fitness for purpose. My ears were ringing the last time I went, temporary but I don't need that. I could wear earplugs/defenders as I often do when working but I want to chat during the period breaks and encourage the players. 88dB average isn't too bad really but it would interfere with comfortable talking.
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Post by joestoyanovich on Nov 10, 2015 22:05:33 GMT
I'm not there often because of location and work. On the two occasions I've been in The Ice Rink this year the volume has registered as 105dBA in Block H. The app I use isn't terribly accurate at high levels but it's close enough. I'd say it was above 100dBA most of the time. I certainly was aware of the effect on my ears when I came out. There is no need for this level of sound. It's a social event and it's about talking about the game during the breaks in play and meeting people. It's also about supporting the team and, heaven forbid, expressing our discontent when things are not as they should be. I'm not commenting on the content. Perhaps it might be worth getting a petition together on the volume issue? Scrap that; they won't pay any attention. On a historical note, I can remember when Thin Lizzy played in The Ice Rink I could recognise songs from the Gallatown Park in 1981. As a poor student at the time I couldn't afford the £5 ticket. Perhaps that saved me from permanent hearing damage. If the noise level is close as to what you have measured, then the rink have the obligation to turn down the volume. the HSE and the RNID (Royal national institution for deafness) determine that people should be able to have a conversation when they are standing 2m apart and not have the need to shout at each other. excerpt from the HSE website. An action level is basically a noise exposure level at which employers are required to take certain steps to reduce the harmful effects of noise on hearing. There are two main action levels for continuous Noise:
The lower exposure action value is a daily or weekly average noise exposure level of 80 dB, at which the employer has to provide information and training and make hearing protection available.
The upper exposure action value is set at a daily or weekly average noise exposure of 85 dB, above which the employer is required to take reasonably practicable measures to reduce noise exposure, such as engineering controls or other technical measures. The use of hearing protection is also mandatory if the noise cannot be controlled by these measures, or while these measures are being planned or carried out.
Finally there is an exposure limit value of 87 dB, above which no worker can be exposed (taking hearing protection into account).
So if the DJ insists on playing music and screaming at that level. he could be inline for a noise abatement order. not just from the fans but also the staff at the rink and possibly from people outside the rink. Some examples of average decibel levels of common noises: 20 dB (A) A quiet room at night 60 dB (A) Ordinary spoken conversation 70 dB (A) City street 80 dB (A) DANGER LEVEL 100 dB (A) Pneumatic drill 100 dB (A) Maximum volume on some mp3 players 110 dB (A) Night club 115 dB (A) Rock concert 120 dB (A) Aeroplane taking off 150 dB (A) The Flyers DJ Ok i put the last one in, But if he keeps on going they way he is, then it will be ear plugs all round. I watched the match on saturday evening on Premier sports, and all i could hear in the background was the PA system and his shouting. The premier sports commentators made a comment at the end of the show that they had watched a good game of hockey from a very loud fife ice arena. yet if you look over thier shoulders you can clearly see that the majority of the fans had left and that the seats were empty. so that only meant one thing the PA system was way to loud. I've tested a phone app against a proper noise meter and found it to be completely innacurate, wasn't even a good estimate. I wouldn't put to much faith in their figures.
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Post by watcher on Nov 11, 2015 6:40:11 GMT
I dont think the noise issue would be such a problem if it was not constant. ie music played at appropriate points during the game not at every stoppage in play. Never found the announcing too loud and it was more likely the positioning of the commentary team and their use of their mikes that led to any problems last Saturday.
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Post by finchy on Nov 11, 2015 14:48:47 GMT
I dont think the noise issue would be such a problem if it was not constant. ie music played at appropriate points during the game not at every stoppage in play. Never found the announcing too loud and it was more likely the positioning of the commentary team and their use of their mikes that led to any problems last Saturday. I agree- the noise is only a small part of the problem, although I've noticed on twitter that whenever the DJ addresses someone they go into reverse gear and it's all "ah it's just the noise level buddy, ah ken it's no your fault big man". If the 'volunteers' could get a properly cohesive team entrance they could crank it up as loud as they want as THAT is the time to try and use music etc to get the building pumped up. Music has it's place, but the move towards crowd orchestration in sport cracks me up. And if you are going to try it- be subtle, be smart, dont just throw the kitchen sink at it. Know your audience... and we're not Braehead Clan. I never thought id see the day at FIA when the game become secondary to things like sending in pictures of yourself making funny faces on twitter. I disagree that because not many have signed the petition that it's a minority view. It's a big majority of people I know.
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Post by nobabody on Nov 11, 2015 15:16:00 GMT
I dont think the noise issue would be such a problem if it was not constant. ie music played at appropriate points during the game not at every stoppage in play. Never found the announcing too loud and it was more likely the positioning of the commentary team and their use of their mikes that led to any problems last Saturday. I agree- the noise is only a small part of the problem, although I've noticed on twitter that whenever the DJ addresses someone they go into reverse gear and it's all "ah it's just the noise level buddy, ah ken it's no your fault big man". If the 'volunteers' could get a properly cohesive team entrance they could crank it up as loud as they want as THAT is the time to try and use music etc to get the building pumped up. Music has it's place, but the move towards crowd orchestration in sport cracks me up. And if you are going to try it- be subtle, be smart, dont just throw the kitchen sink at it. Know your audience... and we're not Braehead Clan. I never thought id see the day at FIA when the game become secondary to things like sending in pictures of yourself making funny faces on twitter. I disagree that because not many have signed the petition that it's a minority view. It's a big majority of people I know. I'd agree that the noise level is not the major problem, as paying customers i'm pretty sure we have little or no legal right to complain formally regarding noise levels, it's not our workplace that we are forced to work in, we pay to attend like a concert, so loud is fine, it's the content I don't like I'm genuinely unsure majority/minority, the petition is actually a double edged sword, few signatures=no need for change for a noisy minority OR lot's of people sign=it's a clear message to club that fans don't like it and want change, so if you know people aren't happy, point them to the petition, please !!
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Post by ojc123 on Nov 11, 2015 17:25:31 GMT
I've tested a phone app against a proper noise meter and found it to be completely innacurate, wasn't even a good estimate. I wouldn't put to much faith in their figures. Out of interest today I tested my app against a decent professional meter. At 105dBA on my app I was getting 102dBA on the meter. Significantly different in terms of sound pressure level but in the right ball park. The two diverge at about 95dBA when I suspect the phone mic is simply at its limit. I am quite aware that the apps aren't accurate and don't all take into account transients or frequency distribution but they aren't without merit. The content I could do without too for what it's worth.
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Post by waterboy on Nov 11, 2015 18:08:11 GMT
The noise level isn't the issue, noise when we score or during a flash point is a good thing. As others have said its the inane drivel that drives us mad. the constant need to fill every possible moment with "flyers fans make some noise" or "the flyers are on the Mcdonalds powerplay" b/s the really gets under my skin. The crowd hardly gets a chance to get going. We used to make fools of steelers fans for that exact reason (and braehead more recently). Give me the atmosphere at a flyers racers derby over the c*** we suffer at games now.
Braehead and their drummer when they get going its impressive, why do we have to try and drown them out by putting the music up and up is beyond me. They are supporting their team let them get on with it, it all adds to the atmosphere of the game.
Anyone picked up the music being played when we score, makes it seem like the fans are making more noise than they actually are. To artificial for me.
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Post by Touche on Nov 11, 2015 19:32:57 GMT
When you can't speak to the person next to you without shouting, then the volume is an issue.
The whole match night experience, over the past two years, has been the worst its ever been.
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Post by tackleberry on Nov 11, 2015 22:47:47 GMT
The noise level isn't the issue, noise when we score or during a flash point is a good thing. As others have said its the inane drivel that drives us mad. the constant need to fill every possible moment with "flyers fans make some noise" or "the flyers are on the Mcdonalds powerplay" b/s the really gets under my skin. The crowd hardly gets a chance to get going. We used to make fools of steelers fans for that exact reason (and braehead more recently). Give me the atmosphere at a flyers racers derby over the c*** we suffer at games now. Braehead and their drummer when they get going its impressive, why do we have to try and drown them out by putting the music up and up is beyond me. They are supporting their team let them get on with it, it all adds to the atmosphere of the game. Anyone picked up the music being played when we score, makes it seem like the fans are making more noise than they actually are. To artificial for me. I don't have a problem with " the flyers are on the Mcdonalds powerplay " it's sponsorship so will generate a wee bit of cash, I do agree with your other points tho.
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Post by thebear on Nov 12, 2015 7:21:04 GMT
The noise level isn't the issue, noise when we score or during a flash point is a good thing. As others have said its the inane drivel that drives us mad. the constant need to fill every possible moment with "flyers fans make some noise" or "the flyers are on the Mcdonalds powerplay" b/s the really gets under my skin. The crowd hardly gets a chance to get going. We used to make fools of steelers fans for that exact reason (and braehead more recently). Give me the atmosphere at a flyers racers derby over the c*** we suffer at games now. Braehead and their drummer when they get going its impressive, why do we have to try and drown them out by putting the music up and up is beyond me. They are supporting their team let them get on with it, it all adds to the atmosphere of the game. Anyone picked up the music being played when we score, makes it seem like the fans are making more noise than they actually are. To artificial for me. I don't have a problem with " the flyers are on the Mcdonalds powerplay " it's sponsorship so will generate a wee bit of cash, I do agree with your other points tho. It ain't as bad as Braehead, every announcement basically has a sponsor! The major thing for me is the "Flyers Fans, MAKE.SOME.NOISE!!!" Maybe once at the start of the game but its so annoying when this is said over and over during the game
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Post by ronniemac on Nov 12, 2015 12:56:47 GMT
Not content with being Match Night Announcer and self proclaimed DJ he is now Cheer Leader (for both teams at times)with the Make some noise chant which really is cringe worthy. I find the announcer at Braehead every bit as much a negative on my evening out experience, not went there this season so far between him the constant drumming and daft fitba songs it doesn't inspire me to travel i'm afraid.
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Post by finchy on Nov 12, 2015 14:29:39 GMT
Not content with being Match Night Announcer and self proclaimed DJ he is now Cheer Leader (for both teams at times)with the Make some noise chant which really is cringe worthy. I find the announcer at Braehead every bit as much a negative on my evening out experience, not went there this season so far between him the constant drumming and daft fitba songs it doesn't inspire me to travel i'm afraid. I agree with you Ronnie. I went to the last Braehead game at the shopping centre and just ended up being irritated by 'the match night experience' to the extent that I wont be back this season. The announcer sounds like an older, creepier version of Chick Young (and who'd have thought that was possible?) and although they have a much more receptive audience over there, the crowd orchestration was nauseating. It's bred into them now though and I also cant stand the repetitive 'ultra' chants whilst the play goes on. I know some Flyers fans think it's admirable I just dont think it's an ice hockey atmosphere. In what way does a crowd being told to 'make some noise' actually inspire the players? Spontaneous support is what would inspire a sportsman- not manufactured.
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Post by joestoyanovich on Nov 12, 2015 21:25:35 GMT
First time I went to Braehead a few years ago it was like walking into a sugar sweet american glee club. Yeuuuchhhh. Much preferred it the night after at Murrayfield when the Caps fans sang If I had the wings of a sparrow ................ I'd fly over Kirkcaldy tomorrow and Sh173 on the bas$%$^^ds below.
Give me a real atmosphere any day.
Ban songs during the game or at least hold them till lengthy stoppages in the game.
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Post by icysmith on Nov 13, 2015 12:23:28 GMT
This is the ONLY choon he should be playing
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