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Post by grm on Feb 2, 2016 21:55:22 GMT
Icy smith I admitted I had no qualifications re ice hockey on ice but as I said my post was about off ice not on ice
Regarding off ice I have spent the last 25 years improving business performance in a variety of sectors so feel qualified to comment and in my opinion that is our biggest failing
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Post by waterboy on Feb 3, 2016 11:49:35 GMT
Icy smith I admitted I had no qualifications re ice hockey on ice but as I said my post was about off ice not on ice Regarding off ice I have spent the last 25 years improving business performance in a variety of sectors so feel qualified to comment and in my opinion that is our biggest failing I am not a Hockey expert never played the game at any level So who of all the doom merchants has a better resume I wish we were doing better IMO The big issues we have are 1. Our Brits are not good enough but as import levels grow not an issue as a club but is for a GB side trying to compete at Olympic level. So where are the next generation of kings, hornes, lattoes, robertsons, Millie's etc and why not clear relationship from top to bottom re hockey I Kirkcaldy 2. Our off ice activities are not good enough , PR, sponsorship , social media, highlights are not competitive with best in league so we do not generate enough revenue to compete with others. We are best supported sports team in fife but rovers and Dunfermline have better sponsorship. Diageo has its largest bottling plant in the world in leven but we can't get their bane on our shirt but Belfast can - we really need to raise the game in off ice activities 3. The balance of team is not quite right but have to say when we play our system well we can compete in any rink with anybody - so need to hold coaches to account publicly for the recruitment policy 4. We have a real great core support but the posting on forum , the actions in the rink from many so called "xperts " is uber negative so lets get behind the team and get to playoff final too many people comment on problems but offer no solutions other than sack the manager and the Dj . Personally I would like to see the following Appoint dingle and an other as management team responsible for ice hockey top to bottom and let them recruit all on and off ice appointments We need to get professional from top to bottom and appoint a fergie type to change the organisation from head to toe You made 4 points, 1 about our brits not being good enough another about the balance of the team not being right. Your last one slagging of folk on this forum. Then its about giving Dingle and someone else the team to run. Only 1 point made reference to of ice activities and simply said PR, sponsorship , social media, highlights are not competitive with best in league so we do not generate enough revenue to compete with others. I'm guessing here but I bet you don't know what flyers bring in from a revenue standpoint or other teams for that matter. Perhaps giving your experience of improving companies(does that include sports teams?) a little more in depth detail on how the club can move forward would give your posts some better credence. Oh and on being qualified to make comment, you don't need to be! Make comment/pass on your thoughts about the team, feel free. We all do its what the forum is for after all. |
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Post by jflyer on Feb 3, 2016 21:04:28 GMT
Todd is rumoured to be taking over as rink manager but still having a say in Flyers recruitment. So him knowing about players comings and goings for next season does not necessarily mean he will be head coach
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Post by grm on Feb 3, 2016 21:08:38 GMT
Water boy really appreciate your comments and have listened to what you say,
my observations with no access to any data regarding off ice things I would look to improve are
Income
I have no intelligence re money we bring in but
from the number of sponsors on our jerseys v other teams
By the number of boards in our barn v others
By the size of our sponsors v those of other teams
I do not believe we are maximising our revenue activities
So I would set
1. Contact targets throughout fife , Clackmannanshire, Stirling , Perth and Kinross all targets we should be aiming fo
2. Set up a deal with Stirling uni which s home of sport science in Scotland and provides Mia programmes
3. Set up a deal with St. Andrews re golf most Hockey players play golf , St. Andrews is 30 miles away so let's go for it
4. establish a marketing committee with fan representation that reports to the fans what is being done
PR
There are very few posts that I Have seen saying we are good at PR
Manchester and other teams have a weekly podcast with a chair person,sometimes players and interested fans
Braehead have announced release of an app
We do work in schools and wider community but never publicise it
In the past we had entertaining interviews with the team but never happens anymore
In the season of Haines,the pittons, Keller etc we were leading the way now we are a long way behind
So again more t go for
IMO
1. Set up deals with local colleges who are doing relevant degrees and get them to use us a project resource
2. Appoint a PR person who will hold monthly meetings with fans exposing strategy and being held to account for delivery
Highlights
No replays of goals
No view of goals from alternative footage even when we have it
No analysis of the gane
The post by Ali of the controversial goal v Belfast is in my opinion what we should do with every controversial incident
So again IMO not competitive - we have the info please package it better - raking a few hours more to deliver a quality product is better than a rushed out poorer version
Look at what is happening around the leagues and set ourselves target to be the best
I really believe with a small investment in all the above we could really improve the off ice product which will help to improve the on ice product
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Post by tackleberry on Feb 3, 2016 22:04:57 GMT
Todd is rumoured to be taking over as rink manager but still having a say in Flyers recruitment. So him knowing about players comings and goings for next season does not necessarily mean he will be head coach If Todd has any say in team recruitment we are doomed! |
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Post by grm on Feb 3, 2016 22:22:05 GMT
We have recruited many great players since joining the elite league
Cohen, siddal, Hamilton, zemlak
Pittons , Keller , Haines , Chaumont, caister, Hogg, Zach
Nickerson, regan, Haines , Fulton , reber, lukacevic,
Dingle, Delaney , Caig, Haines , rioux , , Stockton , fox , saccetti
Etc, etc
Recruitment of good players has never been the problem IMO so Todd and Danny clearly can identify and attract good players
The problem has been building a balanced team
Our best line ever has been pitton , Haines and Bobby
We have never had a power forward like Jason
So IMO create a blueprint of how we will succeed, how we need to play to succeed and the players to fit into that jigsaw
At times it seems we recruit good players and good guys then try to force fit them into a playing pattern. So let's start with how we want to play then pick a squad that can play that way every night
I have no issue with the players we recruit my issue is we do not have the right players playing in the right way so I would recruit a coach who sets a style of play I.e. Creates the lid of the jigsaw and then use any resources we have to get the right bits to deliver the jigsaw
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Feb 3, 2016 22:37:53 GMT
Todd is rumoured to be taking over as rink manager but still having a say in Flyers recruitment. So him knowing about players comings and goings for next season does not necessarily mean he will be head coach Rumour is nonsense, the current rink manager is going nowhere |
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Post by tackleberry on Feb 3, 2016 23:06:39 GMT
We have recruited many great players since joining the elite league Cohen, siddal, Hamilton, zemlak Pittons , Keller , Haines , Chaumont, caister, Hogg, Zach Nickerson, regan, Haines , Fulton , reber, lukacevic, Dingle, Delaney , Caig, Haines , rioux , , Stockton , fox , saccetti Etc, etc Recruitment of good players has never been the problem IMO so Todd and Danny clearly can identify and attract good players The problem has been building a balanced team Our best line ever has been pitton , Haines and Bobby We have never had a power forward like Jason So IMO create a blueprint of how we will succeed, how we need to play to succeed and the players to fit into that jigsaw At times it seems we recruit good players and good guys then try to force fit them into a playing pattern. So let's start with how we want to play then pick a squad that can play that way every night I have no issue with the players we recruit my issue is we do not have the right players playing in the right way so I would recruit a coach who sets a style of play I.e. Creates the lid of the jigsaw and then use any resources we have to get the right bits to deliver the jigsaw I wouldn't class some of the players you mention as great but that is only my opinion. A big part of team recruitment is getting the balance right, it's a pity Todd couldn't identify a couple of good players with some size for this season, maybe then we could have had a team capable of competing at the right end of the table for a change. |
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Post by ronniemac on Feb 4, 2016 10:17:05 GMT
Todd does not want big guys with toughness that can play, he also .runs down people on this forum and fans as being entitled to their opinion but it means sod all. well for his information a lot of local fans had far greater hockey knowledge than him before he was even born, 70 odd years of history means a lot of family connections and well versed fans over that period who are extremely knowledgeable of the game.
It is no coincedence that the top 5 teams in the league all have toughness perhaps their coaches unlike Todd did not under-estimate (HIS OWN WORDS) the EIHL.
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Post by johndabomb on Feb 4, 2016 11:19:19 GMT
To be fair to Todd perhaps he overestimated the likes of Paquet, Delahey and Lee's ability to protect the team and play physically. On the other hand every other team is stacked with proper toughness.
If the team carries their current form on till the end of the season then I'd let him stay assuming the team want to keep the core of the squad and add a couple of top quality players in place of the poorer imports which would need to include a Salters/Pitton type of toughguy. A better Brit or two like Craig Mitchell or even Willie Nicolson would be good too.
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Post by riverrat on Feb 4, 2016 11:31:33 GMT
which would need to include a Salters/Pitton type of toughguy. I think your memory might be letting you down. Who did Jason Patton protect our players from, Brent Patry?  |
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Post by swarfiga on Feb 4, 2016 11:44:52 GMT
To be fair to Todd perhaps he overestimated the likes of Paquet, Delahey and Lee's ability to protect the team and play physically. On the other hand every other team is stacked with proper toughness. If the team carries their current form on till the end of the season then I'd let him stay assuming the team want to keep the core of the squad and add a couple of top quality players in place of the poorer imports which would need to include a Salters/Pitton type of toughguy. A better Brit or two like Craig Mitchell or even Willie Nicolson would be good too. If he did over estimate their ability to do so I'd like to know where he got it from because having a quick look online at these guys you know instantly that's not what they'll be doing |
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Post by waterboy on Feb 4, 2016 12:05:15 GMT
To be fair to Todd perhaps he overestimated the likes of Paquet, Delahey and Lee's ability to protect the team and play physically. On the other hand every other team is stacked with proper toughness. If the team carries their current form on till the end of the season then I'd let him stay assuming the team want to keep the core of the squad and add a couple of top quality players in place of the poorer imports which would need to include a Salters/Pitton type of toughguy. A better Brit or two like Craig Mitchell or even Willie Nicolson would be good too. If he did over estimate their ability to do so I'd like to know where he got it from because having a quick look online at these guys you know instantly that's not what they'll be doing Exactly, I said it before the season started that nothing on the CV's of any player we signed shouted out a willingness to play the tough guy role or stand up when it mattered during games. Todd has underestimated the league before and has done so again this season for me, he even admitted to never having seen the Clan play before our first game against them this season despite them being on TV in the CHL? Never did understand that one. No idea why you folk would want him to stay, yes our play and form has been better of late (Nico Sacchetti arriving and being the hottest scorer in the league) but overall this season has been awful with some of the most boring hockey played in FIA in years. His record in the EIHL is awful. Bring back a losing coach? Mind you we have every other season so it wouldn't surprise me really. |
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Post by thebear on Feb 4, 2016 12:53:41 GMT
Gotta agree with you Waterboy
This season the quality of hockey has been abysmal at times, last season I thought we played a lot of bad hockey but at least we had Nicker & Fulton to make things a bit more interesting at times
Todds record in this league is extremely poor but the directors seem to be happy with his performances over the years and have accepted they are a bottom half league team. Does anyone think that if Todd did get the bullet, the directors would appoint someone who they couldn't make into their new puppet and do what they say & want? I'm afriad in order for this team to step out of the dark ages, getting rid of Todd may just be the tip of the iceberg. The club as a whole needs a complete overhaul and with Muir Snr & Wishart at the helm I cannot see this happening
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Post by flyer31 on Feb 4, 2016 14:04:41 GMT
I posted on here a month or so ago stating I overheard someone say Mr Muir doesn't want a top half team and got slated for it,I was also told that it is Mr Muir that doesn't want a tough guy in the team as the scoreboard and Dops will sort out any on ice problems.
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