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Post by thebear on Apr 6, 2016 22:37:35 GMT
Credit where it's due Finchy
Todd managed to turn our season around 2nd half so kudos to him & management for that
Most people will call for his head when we are on a losing streak
End of the day we are no where near ready to win or even challenge for winning the league, can any of us see Todd winning the league for us? or any gaffer for that matter?
This was our best season ever in the EIHL best points, league position etc and missed out on the conference by a bawhair
Proud of the team this season, just a shame we had to fall at the last hurdles
So where do we go on from here? give Todd another season who may slightly improve again? or gamble a brand new coach with a new system? it might shoot us in the foot or be a good thing, who knows Auntie's & Uncles.
I do think our whole organisation needs a shake up, wether Todd is at the helm of it or not, we need an influx of cash to keep improving, 1st time we have had over the quota of imports and look what it gave us
What annoys me most is that every team has announced returning players, staff etc, and we have nothing apart from players retiring, we need to take a leaf out of other teams books and do the same, but who knows we may have half a team signed up already? but as usual we are always kept in the dark!
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Post by amazepux on Apr 6, 2016 22:39:30 GMT
Finchy is right.... Not so long ago Todd was being unfairly panned for the team performances....Be was slaughtered for deciding on no enforcer...we have best position in league this season...exciting accountable play..yet people can't give him the credit it seems...I've said it before and I'll say it again...what is a realistic achievement for our team?...some people must seriously think we're the Philly Flyers!
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Post by happydaysdancer on Apr 7, 2016 7:00:08 GMT
We do have a chance of winning the league I'd say, especially whilst the conference exists. This is what the directors should be considering and make the most of the opportunity. With current budgets/ restrictions on getting top Brits and a marquee import or two in. Probably not
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Post by pittsburghpingu17 on Apr 7, 2016 7:04:51 GMT
.some people must seriously think we're the Philly Flyers! Our expectations aren't that low
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Post by waterboy on Apr 7, 2016 8:48:06 GMT
Ok one question for everybody, let's say Todd comes back as head coach with no assistant to run the team for next season. Would you be happy with that and confident we will improve further. What's the point in answering that though? It's a loaded question. You're now implying it's Danny that runs the team. Todd would appoint an assistant if Danny leaves the club and he stays. Where are all these mythical great coaches that people think others teams have and we don't? Would Neilson, Thomson etc., be able to do it without having full time GB internationals, spare imports and being able to hire and fire at will? What evidence is there that guys like Emmerson, Pacha, Levebre etc. are doing better than Todd? The Coventry coach keeps getting held up as the the greatest thing since sliced bread- did I imagine Coventry finishing EIGHTH this season? I really cant believe fans are posting on here like we've had a poor season- no credit to the coach and folk already taking the mickey out of our Brits. We all can be unhappy about this and that at various points of the season but why can't it be a bit more even handed and respectful? I'm not implying anything about Danny running the team, I merely asked if others would be happy with Todd is sole charge of the team. IMO if your thought is anything other than yes no problem then he isn't the guy to run the team. That's my opinion I was simply wondering what others thought. I might be wrong here but I'm sure folk have said in the past that Mark Morrison wouldn't have ran the team how its been the past 5 years, part time brits short on imports etc. Yes that might lie at the directors feet but any coach who puts up with that type of restriction's isn't the guy I would want running my team. Credit where its due the team did turn things around and obviously Todd plays a major part in that, however he still makes poor decisions and doesn't plan for games well enough. He didn't think Nottingham would press so hard all game long. If he (as the head coach the blame lies at his door) had watched the 2nd Leg of their Quarter Final he would have seen that is exactly how they played. Its that type of poor planning and underestimating the opponent/league which he has done before. Many have said its our most successful season and stat wise yeah it is by 2 points and by 2 wins over our previous best totals. Go back and read some of the comment on threads from October- December, look at the game threads from that time. FOlk where walking out of games early constant talk of not going back until something is done, Season tickets being offered to the first taker. I don't want Todd to remain as Head Coach that much is clear to anyone who reads any of the drivel I post on here, I am not basing this on the last 2 months of feel good oh we won some games for a change. I base it on how the teams he has coached for 5 EIHL season have done and what we have achieved in that time. Wins, trophies Development of the entire club. In 5 seasons we do not have one that we finished with a winning record, winning percentage on league games alone for Todd 39%. 103 wins out off 262 games. Sorry but to me after that length of time it's just not good enough.
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Post by finchy on Apr 7, 2016 9:41:20 GMT
Waterboy- if you read how you phrased the bit about the assistant it looks like you’re suggesting that. If not, fair enough but Todd would surely have an assistant no matter what?
I’m maybe being totally thick here but surely having 26 wins out of 52- and 55 points makes us a winning team this season? You can’t just throw out stats from 5 full years without acknowledging the very difficult adjustment in year 1 either surely?
With regards Mark Morrison – who a number of Fife fans never accepted by the way, he quite often accepted less than his import quota. So was he weak?
There’s no doubt that the team were awful for a couple of months this season. The criticism of the product was justified- Todd himself admitted it. There were die-hards who could barely watch it and nobody disputes that. Like I say though- if a coach can turn that around without wholesale personnel changes then he deserves a lot of credit. More than he’s getting. You say he makes mistakes- all coaches do. Well he’s made good decisions as well. Who were the 3 names you heard most when folk were demanding player cuts?- Brown, Delahey and Stockton? Well he stuck with them and they were 3 of our best performers by the end. The enforcer thing?- apart from a couple of incidents it didn’t bother me in the end.
I ask the question again- who are the great coaches in this league and what is it they do that makes them better than Todd? I’m not jealous of anyone else’s coach at this point in time.
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Post by mavor1987 on Apr 7, 2016 10:12:17 GMT
In the BNL fife were one of the big boys. A well respected junior development system and the ability at the time to sign top end imports. We were big fish in a smallish pond.
In the EIHL we pay as well as most teams im led to believe but we have to convince people to come to a town that doesnt have the glitz and glamour of say a city like glasgow or cardiff. Fife as a club dont make rash decisions hence the reason we've been around as long as we have. Fife fans have never settled for being 2nd or 3rd we need to be winning the confrence, making a good run in the challenge cup and the Playoff weekend every year. To me that would be a successful season. Whoever is in charge they have to handle the expection from fans and the directors..... Is there anyone better placed than dutes for this just now? Answers on a postcard.
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Post by waterboy on Apr 7, 2016 11:03:21 GMT
Waterboy- if you read how you phrased the bit about the assistant it looks like you’re suggesting that. If not, fair enough but Todd would surely have an assistant no matter what? I’m maybe being totally thick here but surely having 26 wins out of 52- and 55 points makes us a winning team this season? You can’t just throw out stats from 5 full years without acknowledging the very difficult adjustment in year 1 either surely? With regards Mark Morrison – who a number of Fife fans never accepted by the way, he quite often accepted less than his import quota. So was he weak? There’s no doubt that the team were awful for a couple of months this season. The criticism of the product was justified- Todd himself admitted it. There were die-hards who could barely watch it and nobody disputes that. Like I say though- if a coach can turn that around without wholesale personnel changes then he deserves a lot of credit. More than he’s getting. You say he makes mistakes- all coaches do. Well he’s made good decisions as well. Who were the 3 names you heard most when folk were demanding player cuts?- Brown, Delahey and Stockton? Well he stuck with them and they were 3 of our best performers by the end. The enforcer thing?- apart from a couple of incidents it didn’t bother me in the end. I ask the question again- who are the great coaches in this league and what is it they do that makes them better than Todd? I’m not jealous of anyone else’s coach at this point in time. Finchy - forget the assistant bit my point was Does Todd have it in him to run the Team on his own as Head Coach, to me no. Would Danny honestly yeah I think he would. 26 wins 26 losses 3 ot/so points. So no its not a winning season its a .500 record. Take out the entire first season and add in cup and playoff games he has a .450 record over the past 4 seasons. Still a losing coach no matter how you look at it. Mark Morrison had a Brit core that was possibly the best in the country most seasons in The BNL years we all know this is the reason we didn't need to run with a full Import Quota. Which is What Todd tried to copy in the EIHL and got it wrong by underestimating the league not just in year one but for several seasons. Nobody would even try and suggest we have anything Like that talent at our disposal these days. Something that makes my point on Dutes and his lack off developing players. He has had 5 years to develop from KIHC or from any other british team/league around and it simply hasn't happened. We are the only club that has done nothing on this front. Like it or not Todd is the Head Coach so he has to carry the can for that. On cutting players I said it several times during the season these players are not the issue. They are/were all good enough but the balance was wrong and how they were being made to play was downright terrible. Delahey stood out early on for me as being an excellent player. I did say I would let Paquet Dorr and I think Stockton go. But that was fair as at that time they were performing poorly. Did Todd keep them or did he just not have the guts to make the call to change anything (something we have seen before in previous seasons) I will give him and Danny the benefit of doubt on that one as they banged the drum all year about how they believed they had the right guys in the team. Coaches - Nielsen, Thompson, Weber, Walser, Lord. Guys who have won in this country, Walser the only one who hasn't yet but if your giving me the choice I would happily take anyone of these guys over Todd. Maybe they would all do far worse than Todd has but I just don't see it. Perhaps the difference is they wouldn't work with the same squad of brits for so long without making changes. We hear the words progress being made but the most crucial aspect in my mind the British guys hasn't progressed at all. Every other coach talks about how important it is to get these guys signed up or look around for new young top end prospects to bring in. What have we ever heard on this front from Todd. Weber who has coached at a far higher level than the EIHL. Yes his team haven't met expectations this year but look at his CV and he clearly knows how to run a team and a club as a former AHL head coach and as Director of Hockey Operations at the same level.
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Post by finchy on Apr 7, 2016 11:33:07 GMT
Fair dues Waterboy- in broad terms I disagree with you but can see where you're coming from in some respects. Ultimately we'll agree to differ and we've managed to do that without having personal digs etc so no probs with that.
However.... 55 points from 52 games isn't a .500 record :-)
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Post by waterboy on Apr 7, 2016 12:39:59 GMT
No probs Finchy no reason for it to be anything other than a healthy debate, exactly what it should be bud. Oh and an overtime LOSS or a shootout LOSS is still a loss. Cant claim you won the game when you didn't
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Post by niall on Apr 7, 2016 13:02:30 GMT
I am presuming that a selection of our current part-time Brits will return with no new additions. However, I presumed last summer that our board and coaching staff would never sanction a spare import but they did. So maybe it is not beyond the realms of possibility that we will eventually have good quality, well paid, full-time Brits. I can't really see it happening for next season but maybe in the future.
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Post by brunchie19 on Apr 7, 2016 17:21:05 GMT
todd taking ronnies job has went around for months Why would Todd want an ice rink janitors job? No disrespect intended but Todd doesn't have the skills required for this role Same could be said for his current role.
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Post by johndabomb on Apr 7, 2016 20:49:51 GMT
Assuming we sign the full quota of 14 I'd like to see a nettie obviously then 5 D and 8 forwards. Of the current crop and given the retirements I'd want to build around Haines, Delahey, Sachetti and Stockton. There are a couple others I'd not be upset to see back too though.
I think Gunn is good enough to play with two imports on the third line.
Then Muir would be ok as 6th D man.
I'd then bin Scoon, Wilson and Anderson and maybe have Horne stay as injury cover given his form in the run in.
I'd love to see us add better quality Brits. Jordan Crowe has been mentioned before and could be our Craig Moore. McKenzie would be useful as well if he wants more ice time, certainly an upgrade on Gunn and the others.
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Post by swarfiga on Apr 7, 2016 23:16:25 GMT
Haines tweet when he left kind of sounds like it's not a given he won't be back, missing this dump already apparently!
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Post by finchy on Apr 8, 2016 11:06:53 GMT
Haines tweet when he left kind of sounds like it's not a given he won't be back, missing this dump already apparently! You should never underestimate the pull of the K-D-Y. Flyers being located in such a beautiful city makes us a massive attraction to most imports! I remember Tim Maxwell thought he'd died and gone to heaven waking up and getting to walk along Dysart harbour every day!
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