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Post by Youngblood on Apr 22, 2016 7:50:44 GMT
We had a good team of players last year and he couldn't do anything worthwhile with them What's going to change? We finished in our highest position in the league, most points, just got pipped in the conference and knocked out the champions elect beating them 6 out of 8 games something we couldn't do the previous season. Imo the club has to release and replace at least 4 of our brits to compete for silverware. I agree. I would change a few imports to bring in some toughness, also only keep gunny and Tommy as the Brits. Hopefully spend some money brining in a few new brit faces. |
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Post by harlan on Apr 22, 2016 9:07:16 GMT
With the import level going up by one again this season teams like us, Dundee and Edinburgh dont have to put an over reliance on a high number of quality full time Brits and teams like Braehead dont even have to bother about a junior system to develop their own Brits
As a fan base and for me personally this doesnt sit well with us because of our history and tradition but hockey in this country is changing and it also explains why we arent seeing a great deal of players that will bring people out of their seats. Dutiaume saw in the previous season how successful Clan were with a work man like team and we recruited accordingly last summer to match that and which ever we you look at it we did have our most successful season and if it wasnt for the ridiculous rules to determine conference winners we would have won that, how anybody can call themselves champions losing 6 times to the team that tied on points with them is beyond me, and we put ourselves in a position to win half of the trophies available to us
Talking at the play off weekend I got the impression we really were waiting on Todd to decide his future and take it from there and no decision would am made until directors came back from holiday but other things were in place and I also got the impression that whatever happens this season that it will be Dutiaumes last
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Post by amazepux on Apr 22, 2016 9:19:31 GMT
There hasn't been any players signed yet and everyone's getting their nickers in a twist, why don't we sit back and watch the team unfold and then we can all have an opinion. We had a good team of players last year and he couldn't do anything worthwhile with them What's going to change? We play in a league...there are other teams with far better squads... These other teams are a pain aren't they? Getting in way..messing up the away locker room every Saturday night...how dare they! |
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Post by swarfiga on Apr 22, 2016 10:21:17 GMT
I don't want Todd back not based on league position but based on the lack of identity and poor hockey... And on the comment we had a good team... Not really, I know it's not played on paper but if you look at CVs compared to most in the league we were weak. I think his recruitment is poor, his on ice tactics or lack off are poor, he looks very inactive on the bench which to me points to him not really knowing how to change a game. But on the flip side we challenged for the conference and got to the final 4... And that's enough for most, and enough for the club to make a healthy profit.
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Post by waterboy on Apr 22, 2016 11:47:55 GMT
And that's enough for most, and enough for the club to make a healthy profit. And that in a nutshell is the biggest problem I have with the Flyers. Its always been do just enough. These days in the EIHL that means bottom half finish and the odd semi final in a cup if your lucky. The owners and our coach still preach on like they are still in the BNL. British/local players getting a shot, develop local youngsters reduce the imports blah blah blah etc etc all while doing nothing about it for the last 5 years. |
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Post by swarfiga on Apr 22, 2016 11:49:49 GMT
Spot on, developing local talent by using the same lot since day 1, letting half of them sit on the bench heading towards their 30s getting zero ice time whilst the teen talent like Marr and Plews are walking out the door.
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Post by waterboy on Apr 22, 2016 12:15:07 GMT
Not only walking out the door walking out because they didn't get the chance under the current coach.
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Post by johndabomb on Apr 22, 2016 12:58:13 GMT
The Brits definetely need sorted out. I'd keep Muir and Gunny as others have said and jettison the rest.
In defence I'd like to see us try and poach Tyler Plews back, he got a lot of ice time towards the end of the season and would be a good prospect. Caps look to be a shambles so he could be tempted back though I imagine a lot will depend on whether Emmerson stays or goes. I also think Jordan Crowe could be worth a look if he's finished in the States. Local lad and playing over there can bridge that gap between SNL and EIHL as we've seen with Craig Moore.
Forwards, Boyd or McKenzie would be two Scots I think we could make realistic offers for and beyond that we're looking at the EPL or again the North American based players. Someone like Alex Forbes? But again he might not be finished over there and they won't all be Craig Moores.
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Apr 22, 2016 14:14:43 GMT
What is done on the cheap, we pay wages to imports as good as most, our players never have to put there hands in there pockets and any one will tell you they are well looked after as any arena team player. I was a big critic of Todd first half of the season, but guess what he turned it around, which is what a coach is paid to do, we missed the conference by a point, finished higher in the league than teams with more league experience and in Coventry's vase a bigger budget (probably), we made Nottingham which teams above us never. So yeah to me the season was a success, don't blame Todd if the home players are what you get for the "home player" budget. He more than deserves another crack. Good decision by the owners Yeah I know the imports and paid well that wasn't my point. My point was that after 19 years it's about time the owners stepped up and made changes to take the club forward. I wasn't having a dig at Todd directly. Todd is basically a puppet for the owners and will put up with the same Brits year on year. Basically this year will be a rehash of the last ones with different imports. Let hope he finds the right ones. You call him a puppet, I call him a trusted member of staff, we could maybe get better Brit's but that might be at the cost of a level of quality import, and let's be honest the sport is import dominated, even so this year. Flyers do not make money, the owners subsidise the cost by a fair amount of cash, the hopes that they will break even this year for the first time.I think give it a chance we are moving in the right direction with appointments made, slowly but surely |
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Post by swarfiga on Apr 22, 2016 14:53:19 GMT
Obviously people hear different things, a lot of people I know and have heard that they make a whopping profit...
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Post by waterboy on Apr 22, 2016 15:15:00 GMT
Total attendance during this last season 26 league games (not including Challenge cup games as no figures published) 51,703.
Now take an average price of a match ticket as £13 and you get £672,139. At full price that jumps to £827,248 obviously with concession tickets not everybody pays full price hence the £13 mark.
That doesn't include another 5 challenge cup home games and one full house playoff game. use the average attendance figure for the cup games (1988)and 3000 for the playoff game that's an additional 12,940 bodies through the door. Times that by the average price - £168,220.
Obviously some of these will be rough figures but the above totals £840,359 from 32 home games (again based on an average ticket costing £13).
Now that could move 10% either way but even at a low end that is still over 3/4 of a million.
Add in sponsors for individual players (as in paying their wages) other general club sponsors that have gone up year on year. Cars supplied by local garages, Merchandise, shirt raffles, 50/50 money webcasts Share of any league profits (assuming there are some) etc etc.
Not sure I see how this team needs subsidised by the directors TBH. I know they did that during the SNL years but I just don't see that being the case these days.
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Post by swarfiga on Apr 22, 2016 17:13:27 GMT
This sounds far fetched but I have heard from a few people that the club bagged 200 odd grand last season. And by the way I don't grudge them that at all, Muir and whoever else are entitled to make a good profit from running the club, especially for keeping it alive in the Snl, my problem is a little more of that invested into coaching and playing staff and their profit would increase.
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Post by Dirkster23 on Apr 22, 2016 17:25:44 GMT
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Post by finchy on Apr 22, 2016 19:52:27 GMT
Yeah, I was going to stay out of this because it's clear that people's opinions are so deeply entrenched but anyone making these wild allegations about Flyers somehow being a cash cow for Tam Muir really need to educate themselves with facts as opposed to making assumptions. I've not looked at the accounts for a couple of years but I do know from previous looks at them that it's blatantly obvious that Mr Muir has put a heck of a financial commitment into the club over the years. He should be applauded and not derided. As for a lot of the comments on Todd I find it sad that people are at such pains to make positives seem like negatives and basically make up the rest. Sometimes criticism can be justified but when there's no balance I just feel it's pointless trying to argue. Good luck to all at the club next season- obviously some people have unreasonably high expectations but hopefully we continue to grow as we have been doing. If a coach of a non-arena team can make the POFW and be within a whisker of a Conference title and not be worthy of another season in charge then there would be something wrong. |
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Post by nobabody on Apr 22, 2016 20:52:54 GMT
I don't want Todd back not based on league position but based on the lack of identity and poor hockey... And on the comment we had a good team... Not really, I know it's not played on paper but if you look at CVs compared to most in the league we were weak. I think his recruitment is poor, his on ice tactics or lack off are poor, he looks very inactive on the bench which to me points to him not really knowing how to change a game. But on the flip side we challenged for the conference and got to the final 4... And that's enough for most, and enough for the club to make a healthy profit. your arguement works both ways......... "if you look at CVs compared to most in the league we were weak." YET "we challenged for the conference and got to the final 4" i agree that Todd is not the most exciting/inspiring appointment, i agree he has an apparent passive style, but we've been runner up in the conference 3 of the 4 seasons, qualified for play-off weekend 2 of the last 3 seasons, everyone comments on how the league is improving year on year, and we're still in there fighting, he must be doing something right or very very lucky. as for recruitment, without making sweeping and brutal changes, which a lot of people on here wanted, he's made tweeks, Bobby in season 2 kick started the season and Podge was the final piece that nearly helped us put out Panties, season 3 Nico helped shore up the back end and Ned totally turned our season round, season 4 don't remember any changes but season 5 Sacchetti turned our season round. so yeah, whilst I'm not excited about his appointment, and a little hacked off at the Brit situation, I'm prepared to give the guy another season, he's built different teams in his tenure, lets see what he does bringing all that together this season and see who we have as assistant coach and what impact that might have |
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