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Post by stewartgibson on Jul 22, 2016 14:09:42 GMT
i really rate paquet,anybody whos stuck on a line with one of our brits,you have to feel for them That's unfair on the Brits we have that can and do compete week in week out. Each to their own, everybody like certain guys for their own reasons. To me Paquet was our worst import defenceman last year and I still cant believe we brought him back. it really isnt unfair on the brits,cosidering every year they dont produce. Defensively muir is a shambles,horne was past it 3 year ago and gunns 31 and never improved
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Post by waterboy on Jul 22, 2016 14:12:18 GMT
That's unfair on the Brits we have that can and do compete week in week out. Each to their own, everybody like certain guys for their own reasons. To me Paquet was our worst import defenceman last year and I still cant believe we brought him back. it really isnt unfair on the brits,cosidering every year they dont produce. Defensively muir is a shambles,horne was past it 3 year ago and gunns 31 and never improved Hey as I said each to their own, I don't agree with what you say about Muir or Gunn. Kyle is past his best I don't think anyone would disagree with that.
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Post by swarfiga on Jul 22, 2016 14:15:31 GMT
Sisca-Dingle-Brooks Kurtz-Max Campbell-Matt Beca Fox-Stockton-Gunn Delahey-Paquet Mike Vernace-Turon Follmer-Turon/Paquet Chris Carrozzi Craig Douglas Although the whole lines change if we get ben/matty davies Sorry to be a pain but is that noo too many imports there chief?
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Post by stewartgibson on Jul 22, 2016 14:15:53 GMT
it really isnt unfair on the brits,cosidering every year they dont produce. Defensively muir is a shambles,horne was past it 3 year ago and gunns 31 and never improved Hey as I said each to their own, I don't agree with what you say about Muir or Gunn. Kyle is past his best I don't think anyone would disagree with that. how many times last season did muir step up and try play the body then leave himself out of position? The amount of odd man rushes he causes is unbelievable! Ive held judgement on gunn until last season where he was getting PP time and playing with two good imports for the whole season. He scored 5 goals! Thats shocking,its not as though he was playing a checking role or anything.
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Post by stewartgibson on Jul 22, 2016 14:26:10 GMT
Sisca-Dingle-Brooks Kurtz-Max Campbell-Matt Beca Fox-Stockton-Gunn Delahey-Paquet Mike Vernace-Turon Follmer-Turon/Paquet Chris Carrozzi Craig Douglas Although the whole lines change if we get ben/matty davies Sorry to be a pain but is that noo too many imports there chief? 14?
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Post by swarfiga on Jul 22, 2016 14:29:18 GMT
Aye I counted Turon twice, second apology of the day ha
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Post by waterboy on Jul 22, 2016 15:13:16 GMT
Hey as I said each to their own, I don't agree with what you say about Muir or Gunn. Kyle is past his best I don't think anyone would disagree with that. how many times last season did muir step up and try play the body then leave himself out of position? The amount of odd man rushes he causes is unbelievable! Ive held judgement on gunn until last season where he was getting PP time and playing with two good imports for the whole season. He scored 5 goals! Thats shocking,its not as though he was playing a checking role or anything. Ok I tried to avoid doing this but I'll bite, Gunny was playing a more checking role than he has in the past. We finally with Paddy Cullen added had a 3rd line that could compete and did every night. Yeah Gunny only scored 5 goals, so what so did Rob Lachowicz does that make him as bad in your eyes. Tommy played really well with Rioux for me last year and has in previous seasons came on leaps and bounds. Yes he does miss the odd hit but you seem to want to paint him as bringing nothing to the team and for me that's totally wrong. Do we need to improve our Brits yes everybody can see that, targeting our 2 current best British players doesn't make much sense to me those 2 ain't the issue.
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Post by stewartgibson on Jul 22, 2016 15:25:20 GMT
how many times last season did muir step up and try play the body then leave himself out of position? The amount of odd man rushes he causes is unbelievable! Ive held judgement on gunn until last season where he was getting PP time and playing with two good imports for the whole season. He scored 5 goals! Thats shocking,its not as though he was playing a checking role or anything. Ok I tried to avoid doing this but I'll bite, Gunny was playing a more checking role than he has in the past. We finally with Paddy Cullen added had a 3rd line that could compete and did every night. Yeah Gunny only scored 5 goals, so what so did Rob Lachowicz does that make him as bad in your eyes. Tommy played really well with Rioux for me last year and has in previous seasons came on leaps and bounds. Yes he does miss the odd hit but you seem to want to paint him as bringing nothing to the team and for me that's totally wrong. Do we need to improve our Brits yes everybody can see that, targeting our 2 current best British players doesn't make much sense to me those 2 ain't the issue. im only targetting them because they get the most ice time. I dont have anything personal against them but as hockey players in my opinion they dont add anything to the team and i dont believe either of them have improved. I wouldnt say gunn did play a checking role, for a while of the season he played with stockton and fox and even then he didnt produce. Hes not capable of killing penalties which means one of our top players has to kill them, he doesnt have good wrist shot,slap shot or one timer. Hes not the greatest skater. Its nothing personal hes just not good enough for the elite. As for muir ive never rated him,again its nothing personal. I actually think when he was paired with rioux he made rioux a poorer player. Rioux i believe was our best defenceman when he played with delahey/paquet. The amount of times rioux had to sit back and cover muir stepping up was annoying but muir has never learned, he's done it every year in the elite. Muir also has really poor puck control, he cant hit a slap or wristy shot. When you look at mccluskey who we're linked with hes a much better option. Mccluskey is a much better puck handler and he can actually hit a wrist and slap shot
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Post by stewartgibson on Jul 22, 2016 15:39:33 GMT
how many times last season did muir step up and try play the body then leave himself out of position? The amount of odd man rushes he causes is unbelievable! Ive held judgement on gunn until last season where he was getting PP time and playing with two good imports for the whole season. He scored 5 goals! Thats shocking,its not as though he was playing a checking role or anything. Ok I tried to avoid doing this but I'll bite, Gunny was playing a more checking role than he has in the past. We finally with Paddy Cullen added had a 3rd line that could compete and did every night. Yeah Gunny only scored 5 goals, so what so did Rob Lachowicz does that make him as bad in your eyes. Tommy played really well with Rioux for me last year and has in previous seasons came on leaps and bounds. Yes he does miss the odd hit but you seem to want to paint him as bringing nothing to the team and for me that's totally wrong. Do we need to improve our Brits yes everybody can see that, targeting our 2 current best British players doesn't make much sense to me those 2 ain't the issue. and as for the lachowicz point he just happens to be one of the besy penalty killers in the league
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Post by waterboy on Jul 22, 2016 15:45:32 GMT
Gunny has never improved in the EIhl seasons we have had!! Really you honestly think that.
Gunny actually has an excellent shot, trouble is he doesn't use effectively or often enough. He tries to stick handle around guys to often and has some success but his release is a little slow and at this level guys get a stick onto his shot to deflect it away from goal or does that daft turn and shoot move which never works.
Look I get it you don't like them as players. I think they have been decent for us the past 4 years and have both improved a great deal since they first came into the league. Could we do with better players yeah of course but we wont pay the money for them.
I will say this again they are not the issue when it comes to our local guys. Bring in better ones (at a cost) and bump them down the depth chart. The issue for me is having the other guys filling up places and getting no icetime because they offer far less.
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Post by waterboy on Jul 22, 2016 15:48:51 GMT
Ok I tried to avoid doing this but I'll bite, Gunny was playing a more checking role than he has in the past. We finally with Paddy Cullen added had a 3rd line that could compete and did every night. Yeah Gunny only scored 5 goals, so what so did Rob Lachowicz does that make him as bad in your eyes. Tommy played really well with Rioux for me last year and has in previous seasons came on leaps and bounds. Yes he does miss the odd hit but you seem to want to paint him as bringing nothing to the team and for me that's totally wrong. Do we need to improve our Brits yes everybody can see that, targeting our 2 current best British players doesn't make much sense to me those 2 ain't the issue. and as for the lachowicz point he just happens to be one of the besy penalty killers in the league but he only scored 5 goals so he must be garbage!!
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Post by stewartgibson on Jul 22, 2016 15:50:33 GMT
Gunny has never improved in the EIhl seasons we have had!! Really you honestly think that. Gunny actually has an excellent shot, trouble is he doesn't use effectively or often enough. He tries to stick handle around guys to often and has some success but his release is a little slow and at this level guys get a stick onto his shot to deflect it away from goal or does that daft turn and shoot move which never works. Look I get it you don't like them as players. I think they have been decent for us the past 4 years and have both improved a great deal since they first came into the league. Could we do with better players yeah of course but we wont pay the money for them. I will say this again they are not the issue when it comes to our local guys. Bring in better ones (at a cost) and bump them down the depth chart. The issue for me is having the other guys filling up places and getting no icetime because they offer far less. im not arguing with you bud. There not exactly getting any younger so theyre not going to improve much more. I think all our brits are way out of their depth in this league and i think if proper stats were released it would show it.
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Post by stewartgibson on Jul 22, 2016 15:53:21 GMT
and as for the lachowicz point he just happens to be one of the besy penalty killers in the league but he only scored 5 goals so he must be garbage!! thats not my point? Gunny plays minimal minutes and cant kill a penalty which leaves one of our top 6 forwards playing on the PK, which then means the top 6 guy will be more tired which shows our lack of depth. Where as if we had a lachowicz who could kill a penalty we would get more production from our top 6 guy? Makes sense to me instead of having our top 6 play 25 minutes every night which will take its toll
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Post by waterboy on Jul 22, 2016 15:59:25 GMT
Its a debate not an argument, you think one thing I think another.
I don't argue that our Brits are the issue jeez check my history on here I have said it often enough that we need better ones to really compete in the league. I just don't agree with the context with which you are discussing these 2 players.
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Post by stewartgibson on Jul 22, 2016 16:02:16 GMT
Its a debate not an argument, you think one thing I think another. I don't argue that our Brits are the issue jeez check my history on here I have said it often enough that we need better ones to really compete in the league. I just don't agree with the context with which you are discussing these 2 players. i'll end it there mate
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