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Post by waterboy on Jul 22, 2016 16:05:06 GMT
but he only scored 5 goals so he must be garbage!! thats not my point? Gunny plays minimal minutes and cant kill a penalty which leaves one of our top 6 forwards playing on the PK, which then means the top 6 guy will be more tired which shows our lack of depth. Where as if we had a lachowicz who could kill a penalty we would get more production from our top 6 guy? Makes sense to me instead of having our top 6 play 25 minutes every night which will take its toll We have 3 lines we don't have the depth to have guys in specific roles I have been saying that on here for years. I get it I agree with what you have said. Still doesn't mean I agree with some of what you have said regarding those 2 players. For me our best PK forward was Danny one of our 3rd line guys!!
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Post by stewartgibson on Jul 22, 2016 16:10:56 GMT
thats not my point? Gunny plays minimal minutes and cant kill a penalty which leaves one of our top 6 forwards playing on the PK, which then means the top 6 guy will be more tired which shows our lack of depth. Where as if we had a lachowicz who could kill a penalty we would get more production from our top 6 guy? Makes sense to me instead of having our top 6 play 25 minutes every night which will take its toll We have 3 lines we don't have the depth to have guys in specific roles I have been saying that on here for years. I get it I agree with what you have said. Still doesn't mean I agree with some of what you have said regarding those 2 players. For me our best PK forward was Danny one of our 3rd line guys!! i think our third line should be prodominantly guys who can kill penalties and last year cullen or gunn didnt,which left 3 of our top 6 forwards in fox,stockton and dingle killing penalties. I totally agree stewy has been our best penalty killer the past 5 years but we have to have 2 out of the three guys on the third line capable of killing penalties and last year we didnt which i believe hampered our offensive production and the stats show that, we are simply asking the forward imports to play to many minutes
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Post by waterboy on Jul 22, 2016 16:53:16 GMT
I get all that but we only play 3 lines so 4 guys out off 9 have to kill penalties at a minimum throw in powerplay time etc and your right our guys play to many minutes. Many on here have said exactly that for a long time. It was fine when every other team did the same but with 4 line hockey which is now here these other teams have the role players doing there thing and not using their top players. Its a luxury that we simple don't have. Might have been easier if we went 4 import defence and had 2 good quality british d-men McCluskey for one as an example. Giving us 9 import forwards, recruit the likes of Ben Davies and one other keep Gunny ( ) suddenly we have 4 forward lines and we can have role players filling the PK slots etc. Again though we wont spend that amount on Brits so we are stuck with what we already have. Which leaves us pretty much exactly where we have been every other season!!
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Post by fifeflyer11 on Jul 22, 2016 18:56:13 GMT
Sisca-Dingle-Brooks Kurtz-New Imp-Beca Fox-Stockton-Gunn
Delahey-Paquet Barlock-Turon Follmer-Muir
Mark Dekanich Craig Douglas
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Post by coloradoflyer on Jul 22, 2016 19:07:05 GMT
I did a comparison a wee while back and compared to teams in our conference our Brits are very poor points production wise
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Post by swarfiga on Jul 22, 2016 22:03:33 GMT
#bringbackbrencis
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Post by sparkymark75 on Jul 22, 2016 22:07:27 GMT
I did a comparison a wee while back and compared to teams in our conference our Brits are very poor points production wise To be honest, you could probably come to that conclusion without looking at any numbers!
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Post by joestoyanovich on Jul 26, 2016 10:33:52 GMT
Maybe its just me but I want "our Brits" as everyone calls them to actually be "our Brits". I don't want the Flyers team that I have followed for decades to have no local lads in it, what's the point of that then?
If Gunn, Muir, Scoon etc etc are the best we have got then in my opinion they should be in the team, no question. The criticism that these players receive is unbelievable considering the sacrifices that they must make in their personal lives to pull on the Flyers jersey.
We have enough hired mercenaries in the ludicrous amount of imports that are allowed in the league without adding a whole new bunch of British imports. Remember that these imports will jump ship at the drop of a hat moving on after a year or so to the next better money offer that comes along, the Flyers will mean virtually nothing to most of them, it will be the same for British imports.
I would honestly rather stick with what we have and whoever is coming through the ranks than fill the team with dare I say outsiders. At the end of the day any success that the Flyers have will be mainly down to the quality of the foreign imports that we sign, get that right and we have a chance, and that's something that we have never really managed so far in the Elite League.
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Post by --G-- on Jul 26, 2016 11:27:14 GMT
I agree Joe, i wouldnt want to see a flyers team with no local lads, however i think the time has come for some of them. Replace them with some fresh kdy faces, and see what happens.
if they flyers are going to compete, then we cant carry dead wands...i mean weight.
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Post by stewartgibson on Aug 10, 2016 9:00:29 GMT
I'll have another stab at this-
Sisca-Dingle-Thinel Schaber-Davies-Brooks Fox-Stockton-Finucci
Delahey-Jackman Turon-Paquet Follmer-McCluskey
Shane Owen Craig Douglas
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Post by swarfiga on Aug 10, 2016 9:44:12 GMT
Aye why no, no like work is that important
Dingle-Cisca-Brooks Davies-Schaber-Thinel Fox-Stockton-Finnuci
New - Jackman Follmer - Pacquet Turon - Muir
Owen
If no Davies, fox up and Gunn on second.
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Post by thebear on Aug 10, 2016 12:17:06 GMT
Sisca-Dingle-Thinel Schaber-Stockton-Brooks Finucci-Fox-Gunn Wilson-Scoon-Smith (Chad)
Delahey-Jackman Turon-Paquet Follmer-Muir Horne-Wands
Owen Douglas
Only put 4th line of Brits as I think we will resign them all, as good as they may not be, they need to be utalized right to give our top guys more of a breather. I honestly hope we get Delahey back and would welcome Ben Davies (as much as I disliked him for Braehead) he is defo a Brit that can play top minutes in this league
I've heard from a few guys (maybe rumours) that Chad Smith will be playing for the Flyers this year, wether thats a 2-way with Kestrels I don't know, I just hope we have a few guys from the Kestrels on 2-ways this year or even the apprenticeship route, Todd has defo missed the boat with this but it is something that needs to happen NOW!
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Post by swarfiga on Aug 10, 2016 15:03:28 GMT
Scoon and Fox are never going to centre a line
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Post by bobdee on Aug 10, 2016 16:10:20 GMT
Maybe its just me but I want "our Brits" as everyone calls them to actually be "our Brits". I don't want the Flyers team that I have followed for decades to have no local lads in it, what's the point of that then? If Gunn, Muir, Scoon etc etc are the best we have got then in my opinion they should be in the team, no question. The criticism that these players receive is unbelievable considering the sacrifices that they must make in their personal lives to pull on the Flyers jersey. We have enough hired mercenaries in the ludicrous amount of imports that are allowed in the league without adding a whole new bunch of British imports. Remember that these imports will jump ship at the drop of a hat moving on after a year or so to the next better money offer that comes along, the Flyers will mean virtually nothing to most of them, it will be the same for British imports. I would honestly rather stick with what we have and whoever is coming through the ranks than fill the team with dare I say outsiders. At the end of the day any success that the Flyers have will be mainly down to the quality of the foreign imports that we sign, get that right and we have a chance, and that's something that we have never really managed so far in the Elite League. I also think Flyers should be the pinnacle of Kirkcaldy Ice Hockey club. Our local youngsters can dream of playing for them surely.
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Post by k3vya on Aug 10, 2016 23:02:20 GMT
Maybe its just me but I want "our Brits" as everyone calls them to actually be "our Brits". I don't want the Flyers team that I have followed for decades to have no local lads in it, what's the point of that then? If Gunn, Muir, Scoon etc etc are the best we have got then in my opinion they should be in the team, no question. The criticism that these players receive is unbelievable considering the sacrifices that they must make in their personal lives to pull on the Flyers jersey. We have enough hired mercenaries in the ludicrous amount of imports that are allowed in the league without adding a whole new bunch of British imports. Remember that these imports will jump ship at the drop of a hat moving on after a year or so to the next better money offer that comes along, the Flyers will mean virtually nothing to most of them, it will be the same for British imports. I would honestly rather stick with what we have and whoever is coming through the ranks than fill the team with dare I say outsiders. At the end of the day any success that the Flyers have will be mainly down to the quality of the foreign imports that we sign, get that right and we have a chance, and that's something that we have never really managed so far in the Elite League. British imports? What because there not local you class them as your own kind of imports?? also if the local Brits are not up to standard an they wish to use them thats fair enough it's the coach that picks the team no one else but the fans are gettin over charged if that's the case, payin the league average price when not hoping to improve where we can
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