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Post by swarfiga on Aug 23, 2016 15:30:22 GMT
There's a massive gulf between standing up for yourself against your average dirty player and having anything to do with the likes of Rosehill, Neilson and Fitzy. Our only chance is these guys don't take liberties, we needed a couple guys like Pitton if we didn't want to go down the Nickerson route, a lot of guys didn't want anything to do with him. I fear Clan completely running through us this year.
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Aug 23, 2016 15:38:59 GMT
Tommy in reality is not a fighter, he is a pretty tough guy who will stand his own against players of similar height and weight. Do you remember him getting hammered by Sladok in Edinburgh which I am sure put him out injured for a few weeks, and Sladok is pretty tame by today's standards. Tommy will stick up for the team because he will feel he has to, but I wish we had a guy that would be there to look after our top players properly, cos the refs won't (I don't buy all this guff about punishing teams on the power play) what about the next game when our players are still out injured. Tommy is our best British d man and is in the team on merit for just doing the simple things well.
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Post by waterboy on Aug 23, 2016 16:10:17 GMT
Couldn't agree more Todd lives in another world when it comes to how hockey should be played I'm afraid. Look at his comments about fans baying for blood and guys beating the opposition up and winning games but being in 9th place.
He really has forgotten how our BNL grand Slam teams played, yes the skill and goals were there but so was the physical play Biette Kuznik Spadafora Morris etc etc those guys played the game hard. Not long ago fans were still shouting for Kuznik to come back!! We could really do with a player like that in our team today.
With Todd as the coach we will never see hard hitting physical hockey mixed in with speed skill and terrific games to watch. I said it last season who would you rather watch Cardiff or us, forget being a flyers fan just think about pure entertainment and good hockey. Not really a hard choice is it. Imagine a team like that in FIA!!! The rink would be sold out and bouncing every single game. Who wants that though......
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Post by ronniemac on Aug 23, 2016 16:40:16 GMT
Sisca is a great goal scorer somebody said on this forum how much of that was down to the fact that his back was covered last year by at least 4 or 5 Manchester players should liberties be taken, anybody who has played hockey at ANY level will know of team mates who were very subdued when the other teams hard nuts were on the ice with no deterrent, when other EIHL teams rosters were being announced it came as no surprise to most people in the stands that each would have a couple of players who would step up to the mark if required, maybe TODD is STILL under-estimating the league. I'm with you Waterboy, Cardiff last year were a great team to watch except at Nottingham of course.
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Post by waterboy on Aug 23, 2016 17:10:21 GMT
Sisca is a great goal scorer somebody said on this forum how much of that was down to the fact that his back was covered last year by at least 4 or 5 Manchester players should liberties be taken, anybody who has played hockey at ANY level will know of team mates who were very subdued when the other teams hard nuts were on the ice with no deterrent, when other EIHL teams rosters were being announced it came as no surprise to most people in the stands that each would have a couple of players who would step up to the mark if required, maybe TODD is STILL under-estimating the league. I'm with you Waterboy, Cardiff last year were a great team to watch except at Nottingham of course. Spot on Ronnie. Any player will tell you the difference having a Matt/Fitzy on your side makes. Guys play bigger knowing their backs are covered. The impact is huge without a single punch being thrown. The flip side of that is what we have seen all to often with the Flyers, the bigger guys push their luck but no one is able to push back. Result some guys back down and don't play as hard or go into corners the same. They start to play the game on the edges of the rink. And trust me when that happens the opposition players smell the blood in the water and take full advantage.
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Post by flyersforlife01 on Aug 23, 2016 23:23:21 GMT
Sisca is a great goal scorer somebody said on this forum how much of that was down to the fact that his back was covered last year by at least 4 or 5 Manchester players should liberties be taken, anybody who has played hockey at ANY level will know of team mates who were very subdued when the other teams hard nuts were on the ice with no deterrent, when other EIHL teams rosters were being announced it came as no surprise to most people in the stands that each would have a couple of players who would step up to the mark if required, maybe TODD is STILL under-estimating the league. I'm with you Waterboy, Cardiff last year were a great team to watch except at Nottingham of course. Spot on Ronnie. Any player will tell you the difference having a Matt/Fitzy on your side makes. Guys play bigger knowing their backs are covered. The impact is huge without a single punch being thrown. The flip side of that is what we have seen all to often with the Flyers, the bigger guys push their luck but no one is able to push back. Result some guys back down and don't play as hard or go into corners the same. They start to play the game on the edges of the rink. And trust me when that happens the opposition players smell the blood in the water and take full advantage. If our power play is good then these goons will soon stop the cheap shots, the only problem is the refs in our league.
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Post by boschman76 on Aug 23, 2016 23:40:28 GMT
Sorry but having guys like fitzy nicker and the like are a deterrent to stop other teams taking liberties a couple off power play goals don't help if sisca or thinel are out for a couple of weeks due to a injury caused by someone taking a cheap shot at them because we have no one to stop them and we shouldn't have to keep relying on referees to protect our players we should have our own sheriff to do that iv said it before and Il say it again we are playing with the big boys now if you don't want to play by the big boys rules don't enter the competition
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Post by flyersforlife01 on Aug 23, 2016 23:46:02 GMT
Sorry but having guys like fitzy nicker and the like are a deterrent to stop other teams taking liberties a couple off power play goals don't help if sisca or thinel are out for a couple of weeks due to a injury caused by someone taking a cheap shot at them because we have no one to stop them and we shouldn't have to keep relying on referees to protect our players we should have our own sheriff to do that iv said it before and Il say it again we are playing with the big boys now if you don't want to play by the big boys rules don't enter the competition Wonder if they think this way in the NHL, AHL and the majority of the leagues in Europe.
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Post by boschman76 on Aug 24, 2016 0:04:27 GMT
The nhl teams still have there guys who will drop the gloves to protect teammates it may not happen as often but it still happens same with the ahl you just have to go on eihl fights on twitter and you can see it still goes on and as I said earlier are the 9 other coaches wrong on how they build the balance of their squad for the type off league we play in .how our coach wants to play is better suited to playing in the likes of Denmark and Norway where its like British ice hockey was 30yrs ago more skill based that all changed as soon as British ice hockey went professional I'm not saying its for the best but that's how it is
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Post by ronniemac on Aug 24, 2016 0:16:49 GMT
Wonder if they think this way in the NHL, AHL and the majority of the leagues in Europe.
Flyers are in the EIHL so they have to compete on that front and i feel like a few games i witnessed last season they will get pushed around and bullied out a few games one as well, at times it was pretty embarrassing at KIA when that happened.
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Post by waterboy on Aug 24, 2016 8:59:43 GMT
Spot on Ronnie. Any player will tell you the difference having a Matt/Fitzy on your side makes. Guys play bigger knowing their backs are covered. The impact is huge without a single punch being thrown. The flip side of that is what we have seen all to often with the Flyers, the bigger guys push their luck but no one is able to push back. Result some guys back down and don't play as hard or go into corners the same. They start to play the game on the edges of the rink. And trust me when that happens the opposition players smell the blood in the water and take full advantage. If our power play is good then these goons will soon stop the cheap shots, the only problem is the refs in our league. No it wont not for a single minute. Oh and look at the level guys like Rosehill Neilson etc have all played at will they take penalties yup no question. However they know how to play the game. When they start pounding our guys into the boards then go face to face and tell our boys to drop the gloves its not a penalty its simply intimidation. It happens every game and will happen even more this year.
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Post by waterboy on Aug 24, 2016 9:06:34 GMT
Devils now have Batch Hotham Haddad Louis Lord and Bordeleau. Holy hell our boys are in for some long physical battles.
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Post by jambitink on Aug 24, 2016 11:13:27 GMT
Devils now have Batch Hotham Haddad Louis Lord and Bordeleau. Holy hell our boys are in for some long physical battles. I'm actually quite excited to see Cardiff at FIA this season. They have built some team. Honestly think I'd rather drive to Glasgow to see the Clan vs devils game than watch the Flyers this season.
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Post by waterboy on Aug 24, 2016 11:15:32 GMT
Devils now have Batch Hotham Haddad Louis Lord and Bordeleau. Holy hell our boys are in for some long physical battles. I'm actually quite excited to see Cardiff at FIA this season. They have built some team. Honestly think I'd rather drive to Glasgow to see the Clan vs devils game than watch the Flyers this season. I'm sure others will be horrified at that suggestion but the thought of that game does sound very appealing.
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Post by jambitink on Aug 24, 2016 11:18:32 GMT
I'm actually quite excited to see Cardiff at FIA this season. They have built some team. Honestly think I'd rather drive to Glasgow to see the Clan vs devils game than watch the Flyers this season. I'm sure others will be horrified at that suggestion but the thought of that game does sound very appealing. I'm sure they will be, but as a hockey fan I think those games will be tremendous.
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