flyersforlife01
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Post by flyersforlife01 on Aug 24, 2016 14:30:54 GMT
If our power play is good then these goons will soon stop the cheap shots, the only problem is the refs in our league. No it wont not for a single minute. Oh and look at the level guys like Rosehill Neilson etc have all played at will they take penalties yup no question. However they know how to play the game. When they start pounding our guys into the boards then go face to face and tell our boys to drop the gloves its not a penalty its simply intimidation. It happens every game and will happen even more this year. Get the intimidation bit but if they are putting someone through the boards it's upto the ref to deal with it. If the Flyers haven't got anybody in the line up for these clowns to go toe to toe with then these guys are a waste of time. What Todd is trying to put together is a fast skill based team that isn't afraid to check back, it will be interesting to see how we cope when the puck is in around the boards as that's when size does matter. These guys bring extra bums on seats but at what cost to the team, I can assure that if they take stupid penalties against us they will lose more games than win as we will punish them on the PP.
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Post by jambitink on Aug 24, 2016 14:50:50 GMT
No it wont not for a single minute. Oh and look at the level guys like Rosehill Neilson etc have all played at will they take penalties yup no question. However they know how to play the game. When they start pounding our guys into the boards then go face to face and tell our boys to drop the gloves its not a penalty its simply intimidation. It happens every game and will happen even more this year. Get the intimidation bit but if they are putting someone through the boards it's upto the ref to deal with it. If the Flyers haven't got anybody in the line up for these clowns to go toe to toe with then these guys are a waste of time. What Todd is trying to put together is a fast skill based team that isn't afraid to check back, it will be interesting to see how we cope when the puck is in around the boards as that's when size does matter. These guys bring extra bums on seats but at what cost to the team, I can assure that if they take stupid penalties against us they will lose more games than win as we will punish them on the PP. You say he has built a team that will check back? Lets see how keen they are to check back when Bordeleua or Rosehill go on the ice to warn them against it. Everyone keeps saying Todd is building a fast skilled team. Are you suggesting the other teams in the league are going to be slow and unskilled?? Of course they arent. What they have is a mix, of speed, skill and toughness which is the recipe for a winning hockey club in the EIHL.
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Post by waterboy on Aug 24, 2016 14:52:42 GMT
No it wont not for a single minute. Oh and look at the level guys like Rosehill Neilson etc have all played at will they take penalties yup no question. However they know how to play the game. When they start pounding our guys into the boards then go face to face and tell our boys to drop the gloves its not a penalty its simply intimidation. It happens every game and will happen even more this year. Get the intimidation bit but if they are putting someone through the boards it's upto the ref to deal with it. If the Flyers haven't got anybody in the line up for these clowns to go toe to toe with then these guys are a waste of time. What Todd is trying to put together is a fast skill based team that isn't afraid to check back, it will be interesting to see how we cope when the puck is in around the boards as that's when size does matter. These guys bring extra bums on seats but at what cost to the team, I can assure that if they take stupid penalties against us they will lose more games than win as we will punish them on the PP.
Why would the refs have to deal with hard physical hits???
Clowns really did that include Matt when he wore our colours. Using your rational we will have a winning record against any team with a tough guy in the line up as our Powerplay will be one of the best if not the best in the league.
Love your optimism but your deluded.
Look around the league we are the only team without a real physical presence and have 3 lines with a number of older players. Our defence will take a serious hammering night in night out from fast physical teams who have the ability to dominate us if they want. Take the first game at Braehead if I was on their team you would look to make a statement for the season and go out and hammer the Flyers as hard and as often as you can and try to engage with a few guys and knock seven bells out of them. Crowd at home loving every bit of it after last season and a huge marker down for the rest of the season.
Now I obviously have no idea what the clan will do but if they did go down this route what will our boys do!! Don't get confused here I'm not talking about dirty cheapshot plays that would warrant suspensions just good old fashioned hard hockey.
The Mapleleafs my NHL team have signed Matt Martin to protect their young skill guys and have signed Brandon Prust to a PTO. They know their top players need protection following the Marlies playoff run last season. One of the biggest teams see what is needed even in today's game but the Flyers (Todd) in a league with more enforcers than we have seen in our time in the EIHL don't see any need for it.
In this league for this season that is a huge mistake. I hope our lads don't suffer for the coaches choices but I really do fear we will see injuries as the season goes by.
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ronniemac
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Post by ronniemac on Aug 24, 2016 14:57:35 GMT
The problem with a lot of supporters is they cannot grasp the difference between each side of the boards, the game is twice as fast on the ice and the boards can severely hurt you with a legal hit far less a dirty one, unless you have played the game you cannot comprehend the aches and pains that guys go through participating in the sport they love, it's ok to talk the talk but it aint so easy to walk (or skate) the walk. Apart from tough guys, boards whatever players have another hurdle to overcome ........the open ice hit....quite a few of Flyers current line up or over 30 years old and smaller than a lot of the opposition coming there way with a few of them notorious for this aspect of the game hopefully the heads-up shout is still alive and well.
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Post by jambitink on Aug 24, 2016 15:16:17 GMT
Get the intimidation bit but if they are putting someone through the boards it's upto the ref to deal with it. If the Flyers haven't got anybody in the line up for these clowns to go toe to toe with then these guys are a waste of time. What Todd is trying to put together is a fast skill based team that isn't afraid to check back, it will be interesting to see how we cope when the puck is in around the boards as that's when size does matter. These guys bring extra bums on seats but at what cost to the team, I can assure that if they take stupid penalties against us they will lose more games than win as we will punish them on the PP.
Why would the refs have to deal with hard physical hits???
Clowns really did that include Matt when he wore our colours. Using your rational we will have a winning record against any team with a tough guy in the line up as our Powerplay will be one of the best if not the best in the league.
Love your optimism but your deluded.
Look around the league we are the only team without a real physical presence and have 3 lines with a number of older players. Our defence will take a serious hammering night in night out from fast physical teams who have the ability to dominate us if they want. Take the first game at Braehead if I was on their team you would look to make a statement for the season and go out and hammer the Flyers as hard and as often as you can and try to engage with a few guys and knock seven bells out of them. Crowd at home loving every bit of it after last season and a huge marker down for the rest of the season.
Now I obviously have no idea what the clan will do but if they did go down this route what will our boys do!! Don't get confused here I'm not talking about dirty cheapshot plays that would warrant suspensions just good old fashioned hard hockey.
The Mapleleafs my NHL team have signed Matt Martin to protect their young skill guys and have signed Brandon Prust to a PTO. They know their top players need protection following the Marlies playoff run last season. One of the biggest teams see what is needed even in today's game but the Flyers (Todd) in a league with more enforcers than we have seen in our time in the EIHL don't see any need for it.
In this league for this season that is a huge mistake. I hope our lads don't suffer for the coaches choices but I really do fear we will see injuries as the season goes by.
100% spot on
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Aug 24, 2016 16:23:26 GMT
No it wont not for a single minute. Oh and look at the level guys like Rosehill Neilson etc have all played at will they take penalties yup no question. However they know how to play the game. When they start pounding our guys into the boards then go face to face and tell our boys to drop the gloves its not a penalty its simply intimidation. It happens every game and will happen even more this year. Get the intimidation bit but if they are putting someone through the boards it's upto the ref to deal with it. If the Flyers haven't got anybody in the line up for these clowns to go toe to toe with then these guys are a waste of time. What Todd is trying to put together is a fast skill based team that isn't afraid to check back, it will be interesting to see how we cope when the puck is in around the boards as that's when size does matter. These guys bring extra bums on seats but at what cost to the team, I can assure that if they take stupid penalties against us they will lose more games than win as we will punish them on the PP. Ah we found the guy that writes Todd's press releases and speeches.
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Post by waterboy on Aug 24, 2016 16:55:36 GMT
The problem with a lot of supporters is they cannot grasp the difference between each side of the boards, the game is twice as fast on the ice and the boards can severely hurt you with a legal hit far less a dirty one, unless you have played the game you cannot comprehend the aches and pains that guys go through participating in the sport they love, it's ok to talk the talk but it aint so easy to walk (or skate) the walk. Apart from tough guys, boards whatever players have another hurdle to overcome ........the open ice hit....quite a few of Flyers current line up or over 30 years old and smaller than a lot of the opposition coming there way with a few of them notorious for this aspect of the game hopefully the heads-up shout is still alive and well. Open Ice hit you say......
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flyersforlife01
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Post by flyersforlife01 on Aug 24, 2016 18:29:24 GMT
Get the intimidation bit but if they are putting someone through the boards it's upto the ref to deal with it. If the Flyers haven't got anybody in the line up for these clowns to go toe to toe with then these guys are a waste of time. What Todd is trying to put together is a fast skill based team that isn't afraid to check back, it will be interesting to see how we cope when the puck is in around the boards as that's when size does matter. These guys bring extra bums on seats but at what cost to the team, I can assure that if they take stupid penalties against us they will lose more games than win as we will punish them on the PP. Ah we found the guy that writes Todd's press releases and speeches. Just a seasoned supporter that have seen teams built up to be the next best thing, how many of these enforcers have come over here and have been a success. Let's just wait and see how the team play as I don't even think they have played a game yet and these so called Flyers fans have written them off. Really do wonder how much of you on this forum are real supporters or just people that like to have a moan.
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Post by happydaysdancer on Aug 24, 2016 19:52:52 GMT
When we had Matt many other teams didn't have an enforcer. We scraped 8th that season after being bottom for loads. I'm not judging until we've played each team home and away.
Would put bums on seats there is no argument there but win us more games, I'm not so sure. The players who can be intimidated still will be regardless as a tough guy can't be on the ice every shift. A heavyweight is gonna hit you no matter what the consequences as he expects a fight anyway be it from the guy getting hit or another heavyweight steaming in, all it does is mean 1 from each team sit instead of two. Did Jannsen not hit folk last season because Matt was playing in a Belfast vs panthers game. Of course he did. You aren't going to walk any taller if you are going to get the same hit either way, just in once instance someone is gonna come in afterwards.
Where it helps more is from you Chris frank type cheap shotting and I dunno how many of those types of players are around the league at the moment
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Post by boschman76 on Aug 24, 2016 20:22:22 GMT
The problem you have is the sneaky players like Rutherford keefe to name but 2 will take the cheap shot because they know they have back up on the bench if anything kicks off or a team will sacrifice you of there physical guys if it means taking a opposition guy with them or take out a skill guy and nearly ever team has 3 or 4 of these guys while we have none and iv said it in other posts surely out off all ten coaches 9 build there teams with skill power and physical play while we don't surely these 9 cant all be wrong.the thing alot off these ex and current coaches have in common is alot off them were physical players when they played so they build there teams in there image
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flyersforlife01
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Post by flyersforlife01 on Aug 24, 2016 21:03:59 GMT
The problem you have is the sneaky players like Rutherford keefe to name but 2 will take the cheap shot because they know they have back up on the bench if anything kicks off or a team will sacrifice you of there physical guys if it means taking a opposition guy with them or take out a skill guy and nearly ever team has 3 or 4 of these guys while we have none and iv said it in other posts surely out off all ten coaches 9 build there teams with skill power and physical play while we don't surely these 9 cant all be wrong.the thing alot off these ex and current coaches have in common is alot off them were physical players when they played so they build there teams in there image Think you'll find that Keefe isn't scared to mix it with any enforcer, yes he will cheap shot players but he will also go with the heavyweights. Think you'll find that our imports have come across the so called enforcers in their career, hopefully they will use skill and speed to stay out of their way.
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Post by zamboni on Aug 24, 2016 22:09:41 GMT
Devils now have Batch Hotham Haddad Louis Lord and Bordeleau. Holy hell our boys are in for some long physical battles. I'm actually quite excited to see Cardiff at FIA this season. They have built some team. Honestly think I'd rather drive to Glasgow to see the Clan vs devils game than watch the Flyers this season. Fill yer Boots watch the pot holes on the M8 not good for your wheels
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Post by waterboy on Aug 24, 2016 22:18:57 GMT
When we had Matt many other teams didn't have an enforcer. We scraped 8th that season after being bottom for loads. I'm not judging until we've played each team home and away. Would put bums on seats there is no argument there but win us more games, I'm not so sure. The players who can be intimidated still will be regardless as a tough guy can't be on the ice every shift. A heavyweight is gonna hit you no matter what the consequences as he expects a fight anyway be it from the guy getting hit or another heavyweight steaming in, all it does is mean 1 from each team sit instead of two. Did Jannsen not hit folk last season because Matt was playing in a Belfast vs panthers game. Of course he did. You aren't going to walk any taller if you are going to get the same hit either way, just in once instance someone is gonna come in afterwards. Where it helps more is from you Chris frank type cheap shotting and I dunno how many of those types of players are around the league at the moment Im guessing you never played the game. I don't mean that in a smart ass way but thinking that having these guys in your team makes no difference just screams at me that you don't know what they bring to a team. I'm not looking to prove a point, you have your own thoughts on this but trust me guys play different when someone has their back. The point keeps being made by others- in the EIHL are the 9 other coaches all wrong!!
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Post by waterboy on Aug 24, 2016 22:26:06 GMT
When Mattfirst arrived others in the league that could and did fight included Plumpton Frank Keefe Harvey Henley Spencer Olson Salters. Every team had at least one recognised fighter.
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ronniemac
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Post by ronniemac on Aug 24, 2016 23:28:44 GMT
Let's just wait and see how the team play as I don't even think they have played a game yet and these so called Flyers fans have written them off. Really do wonder how much of you on this forum are real supporters or just people that like to have a moan.
Because you have a different view to the coach does not mean you are a moaner .........perhaps some people don't seem to realize that an opinion can be expressed on a forum as that is its purpose in the first place. Personally i think that the love for the club is expressed by all the contributors on this forum but some have higher aspirations than others for a club that should be competing much better than it is after 5 seasons. we need to get The Wee Team syndrome banished....This club is greater than that.
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