rossco
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Post by rossco on Sept 16, 2016 11:47:09 GMT
Thread started on The Hockey Forum about the recording of plus/minus stats got me interested again in tracking this.
In case anyone doesn't know then it's a stat that whilst widely used is also one over the years that divides opinion about a true measure of a players effectiveness and contribution. In simple terms when a goal is scored (the exception being when it is a PPG) the scoring teams skaters are all given a +1. The team that concedes the goal (again except when it is a PPG) all the skaters are given a -1. So by definition the higher a players + stat is the more effective his contribution. As I say this has long been debated and an array of other stats in recent years, in particular the NHL, (e.g. CORSI) have been devised as a more accurate measure but ultimately these are also being debated.
I believe the team officially record this stuff, along with face off wins etc, used internally and as a league there is no official reporting as in other leagues.
So after 4 games my counting is below:
Muir 2 Moyer -2 Wands 0 Isaacs 4 Paquet 0 Turon 5 Jackman -1 Fox 1 Gunn 0 Scoon 0 Dingle 1 Sisca -1 Stockton 4 Finucci 4 Thinel -1 Brooks 0 Schaber 1
If you were simply to look at the plus and minus individually Turon is a team leading +8 with Stockton and Isaacs +7 (on the ice when goals have been scored)on the other side Thinel is a team leading -5 with Moyer and Stockton -4 (on the ice when goals have been conceded).
I'll try and keep this going as the season progresses, there will be times I have to rely on highlights.
Anyone else keep stats of any kind other than the normal goals, assists, penalties ?
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Post by sparkymark75 on Sept 16, 2016 15:19:07 GMT
I used to monitor attendances across the league, just to get a feel for where we sat. I've not done this for a couple of seasons. Certainly nothing as complex as performance stats.
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rossco
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Post by rossco on Sept 23, 2016 15:48:23 GMT
Updates after a rough last weekend.
Isaacs and Turon (on the ice for all nine of the goals against Stars on Sat) lead the D by a county mile both offensively plus 10 and 11 respectively but also defensively where they are both minus 11 (both were minus 8 on the weekend)
Stockton leads the forwards on offence with a plus 9 and Dingle is a leading minus 8. Put Dingle, Schaber and Brooks together (that line was changed down in Cardiff) and it's ugly!
Muir 1 Moyer -1 Wands -1 Isaacs -1 Paquet 0 Turon 0 Jackman -1 Fox 0 Gunn -1 Scoon -1 Dingle -2 Sisca -2 Stockton 2 Finucci 2 Thinel -1 Brooks -4 Schaber -3
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Post by stewartgibson on Sept 24, 2016 10:03:54 GMT
Updates after a rough last weekend.
Isaacs and Turon (on the ice for all nine of the goals against Stars on Sat) lead the D by a county mile both offensively plus 10 and 11 respectively but also defensively where they are both minus 11 (both were minus 8 on the weekend)
Stockton leads the forwards on offence with a plus 9 and Dingle is a leading minus 8. Put Dingle, Schaber and Brooks together (that line was changed down in Cardiff) and it's ugly!
Muir 1 Moyer -1 Wands -1 Isaacs -1 Paquet 0 Turon 0 Jackman -1 Fox 0 Gunn -1 Scoon -1 Dingle -2 Sisca -2 Stockton 2 Finucci 2 Thinel -1 Brooks -4 Schaber -3
are you adding a minus for when players get scored on,on the PK?
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rossco
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Post by rossco on Sept 24, 2016 12:50:22 GMT
Updates after a rough last weekend.
Isaacs and Turon (on the ice for all nine of the goals against Stars on Sat) lead the D by a county mile both offensively plus 10 and 11 respectively but also defensively where they are both minus 11 (both were minus 8 on the weekend)
Stockton leads the forwards on offence with a plus 9 and Dingle is a leading minus 8. Put Dingle, Schaber and Brooks together (that line was changed down in Cardiff) and it's ugly!
Muir 1 Moyer -1 Wands -1 Isaacs -1 Paquet 0 Turon 0 Jackman -1 Fox 0 Gunn -1 Scoon -1 Dingle -2 Sisca -2 Stockton 2 Finucci 2 Thinel -1 Brooks -4 Schaber -3
are you adding a minus for when players get scored on,on the PK? Nope +/- is only even strength goals or a plus if you score a SHG and a minus when you give up a SHG.
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CraggyP
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Post by CraggyP on Sept 24, 2016 14:52:03 GMT
are you adding a minus for when players get scored on,on the PK? Nope +/- is only even strength goals or a plus if you score a SHG and a minus when you give up a SHG. Should it not read ' Nope +/- is only even strength goals or a plus if you score a SHG and a minus when you give up a PPG ' ?
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rossco
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Post by rossco on Sept 24, 2016 15:00:10 GMT
Nope +/- is only even strength goals or a plus if you score a SHG and a minus when you give up a SHG. Should it not read ' Nope +/- is only even strength goals or a plus if you score a SHG and a minus when you give up a PPG ' ? Nope you can't get a minus for giving up a PPG
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Post by waterboy on Sept 24, 2016 15:00:27 GMT
The only PP goal that counts towards +/- is a shorthanded one. PP goals don't count.
+/- is pretty much considered an out of date stat these days, its been proved to be unreliable in showing a players contribution on the ice.
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CraggyP
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Post by CraggyP on Sept 24, 2016 17:33:47 GMT
Should it not read ' Nope +/- is only even strength goals or a plus if you score a SHG and a minus when you give up a PPG ' ? Nope you can't get a minus for giving up a PPG Im sure I cannot be saying this correctly.....If we are on the PP but give up a goal then surely we get -1 ? This is doing ma heed in lol
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rossco
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Post by rossco on Sept 24, 2016 18:00:56 GMT
Nope you can't get a minus for giving up a PPG Im sure I cannot be saying this correctly.....If we are on the PP but give up a goal then surely we get -1 ? This is doing ma heed in lol You are correct sir. Not what you said above but definitely what I said lol
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Post by rossco on Sept 29, 2016 11:41:26 GMT
Updated from last weekend.
Muir 1 Moyer -4 Wands -1 Isaacs -1 Paquet 0 Turon 0 Jackman -3 Fox -2 Gunn -1 Scoon -2 Dingle -4 Sisca -4 Stockton 2 Finucci 1 Thinel -2 Brooks -4 Schaber -3
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Post by rossco on Oct 8, 2016 15:18:14 GMT
Going into this weekend against Storm and Blaze here's how things stand.
Muir 2 Moyer -2 Wands -2 Isaacs -1 Paquet -2 Turon 0 Jackman -3 Fox -3 Gunn -2 Scoon -2 Dingle -3 Sisca -5 Stockton -1 Finucci 0 Thinel 0 Brooks -5 Schaber -4
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Post by rossco on Oct 21, 2016 15:20:05 GMT
It's not pretty reading and doesn't I think tell us much other than a general team struggle but here's the updated stats as we head into the weekend.
Muir 1 Moyer -2 Wands 0 Isaacs -1 Paquet -4 Turon 0 Jackman -3 Haines -1 Fox -2 Gunn -5 Scoon -2 Dingle -2 Sisca -6 Stockton 1 Finucci -1 Thinel -1 Brooks -5 Schaber -4
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Post by daviejojo on Oct 24, 2016 9:54:31 GMT
Any update from this weekend yet :-)
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rossco
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Post by rossco on Nov 12, 2016 16:20:26 GMT
Scores on the doors after last night's game in Belfast.
Muir 1 Moyer -1 Wands 1 Isaacs -2 Paquet -2 Turon -4 Jackman -7 Haines 0 Fox 3 Gunn -5 Scoon -2 Dingle 1 Sisca -9 Stockton 1 Finucci -3 Thinel -1 Brooks -10 Schaber -5
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