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Post by daviejojo on Oct 25, 2016 15:29:19 GMT
Not sure why everyone wants finnucci gone, he was only ever brought in as 3rd liner. Likely makes the least on the team and has the same number of points as the higher salary players which should be far more worrying. Doesn't play on power play so no chance of him getting points there and works tirelessly wit dingle on the PK. a think we have far bigger problems - his freed up salary wouldnt bring in a quality physical presence anyway. My 2 cents but think theres bigger underachievers by far Skill based creative player who dumps the puck in the corner while on a 4 on 2. The guy works hard (or looks like he does) but has no end product when he has the puck. Watch how often he throws it around the boards or into an open space expecting someone else to go and fight for it. He gives up possession more than any other player. It was a gamble to bring him in as we really needed physical players on that 3rd line. We have better small skilled guys on the top 2 lines no need for a lesser version on the 3rd. Someone else said it on a game thread, He's like Ned but not as good! I do think on the right line, he'll be an asset, but it has to be a balanced line. His numbers are decent, but he's not a guy who like to go fight it out in the corner, and thus needs the "dirty" plays to come from elsewhere. I really want it to work for the guy, but I do suspect he might be one to take the hit. Wrong guy to look at first though, by quite a few notches.
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Oct 25, 2016 15:58:43 GMT
I would get rid of Finucci and Schaber right off the bat. I'd also maybe add Thinel into the group as well, but I'd like to see how he performs with a couple of new linemates 1st. Another huge problem of ours this season is in D, we are giving up nearly 40+ shots every single game and that is not good enough. Can't make my mind up on Turon and Jackman just yet as they have both been out injured, Moyer has been solid so far and Paquet is very patchy, for someone that size he should be using it alot more. Paquet brings what all the rest of our d miss a bit nastiness, If he has a sly dig or slash to opposing players to let them no they are not standing in our zone scott free well I'm happy with that. Watch him play, he takes punishment for the team, he has pride, not many of our players can say that, Fox has been on twitter last 2 days saying all is good in the world, a dig at the fans who actually care about the club, unlike him.
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Post by flyersfan on Oct 25, 2016 16:02:59 GMT
Dirty Lyle, I'm glad you mentioned the Twitter dig too! That's how I took it as well. Doesn't really show any respect for the fans or the club that he's playing for. It annoyed me a little to be honest!
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Post by daviejojo on Oct 25, 2016 16:05:16 GMT
I did see those tweets actually, did wonder if he was having a wee pop. To be honest, he should be focusing his efforts on ranting at the team mates not pulling their weight, but then, is it really any of the players fault? I don't think any will go out and not actually try, I just don't think any player, this years, or previous, understand the system Todd wants to play....I think they get it...and know it won't work...and in the end, just give up. If players try and inject some life, and go and do what they're good at, they get sniped at by the coach for going off on their own agenda
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Post by flyeral on Oct 25, 2016 16:30:36 GMT
Ive never heard any departing players comment on dutes coaching though, you'd think something would have been said at some point if they thought it was so bad.
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Post by jambitink on Oct 25, 2016 17:33:51 GMT
I think you won't hear any bad words about Dutes because he seems like a nice guy. Probably everyone's friend in the locker room. He comes across as a decent guy in his interviews... maybe too nice for the job?
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Post by thebear on Oct 25, 2016 19:17:51 GMT
we need a coach with some authority on the bench! Someone to shout at players not pulling their weight and get their point across, not someone who stands there arms folded and "lets the guys sort it out themselves" Gaffer should have the final say in things and instruct players how he wants things run and if any changes are to be made!
Good to see Hutchy being vocal in games, even giving the old pat on the back to our brits when they actually get out and have a good shift, have seen him doing the same with imps
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Post by swarfiga on Oct 26, 2016 8:34:04 GMT
What's the story with Salters? He retired?
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Post by waterboy on Oct 26, 2016 8:51:10 GMT
What's the story with Salters? He retired? Yeah he did after last season. Assume his Health issues might have played a part in his decision.
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Post by coloradoflyer on Oct 27, 2016 13:56:01 GMT
if were talking about getting rid of players ,
worst 3 imports going by points are
brooks on 7 points finucci on 8 points scaber on 7 points thinel on 9 points
rest of the import forwards are in double figures points wise and dingle is over a point game just now
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Post by swarfiga on Oct 27, 2016 15:50:06 GMT
if were talking about getting rid of players , worst 3 imports going by points are brooks on 7 points finucci on 8 points scaber on 7 points thinel on 9 points rest of the import forwards are in double figures points wise and dingle is over a point game just now For me, Brooks is by far the best player of them there but for some reason he's only showing it in flashes which is more than the other 3... but you release Brooks you anger Jackman and Schaber, you release Schaber you anger Brooks, I would probably look at getting shot of Thinel and Finnucci, probably one of the highest earners and one of the lowest, although I agree with what someone else said, Finnucci would probably be an ok third liner but right now he's playing on the top line and on the special teams, Schaber probably falls into the same bracket.
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Post by grm on Oct 27, 2016 17:20:41 GMT
Swarfiga. For me I would release
1. Finucci as not as big or as good as Cullen who had dual nationality - no goals since braehead - works hard but not good enough. Look what stars did with their tiny italien 2. Schaber as not providing the power or physicality we need. The only game he madeva few hits was in Dundee after last debacle at home. So unless he does it every week time to go 3. Jackman as not convinced he has the legs or desire to play the number of minutes we ask our imports to deliver. Been a great player but Father Time has caught up with him
I would reckon in his long career brooks has lost good mates so I would hope he stays as still a great skater who works hard and am sure points will come I would also keep thinel provided we give him the physical presence to create the space he needs. He had great hands and vision and can u imagine the points he would have generated with Jason and Casey
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Post by swarfiga on Oct 27, 2016 17:44:14 GMT
Swarfiga. For me I would release 1. Finucci as not as big or as good as Cullen who had dual nationality - no goals since braehead - works hard but not good enough. Look what stars did with their tiny italien 2. Schaber as not providing the power or physicality we need. The only game he madeva few hits was in Dundee after last debacle at home. So unless he does it every week time to go 3. Jackman as not convinced he has the legs or desire to play the number of minutes we ask our imports to deliver. Been a great player but Father Time has caught up with him I would reckon in his long career brooks has lost good mates so I would hope he stays as still a great skater who works hard and am sure points will come I would also keep thinel provided we give him the physical presence to create the space he needs. He had great hands and vision and can u imagine the points he would have generated with Jason and Casey Not arguing here mate but Iv seen a few quotes about Thinels stick work and vision, I have only seen evidence of this a couple times this year, for example on Sunday it was down right awful, he couldn't control a puck, made a fair amount of intercepted passes, you say father times caught up with Jackman and it's hard not to agree but I'd say it's done the same with Thinel, he's too slow and weak for this league, thing with Jackman is we have 7/8 D here, Todd doesn't need to use him every other shift, Tommy and Wands aren't world beaters and Iv said multiple times I'm not convinced by them BUT they proved a few weeks ago when they played all weekend they are decent enough to step in for a few shifts a game, that makes a difference to a guy like Jackman over the season.
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Post by grm on Oct 27, 2016 18:00:49 GMT
Swarfiga Don't disagree re the D core But we need some power / physical presence at the back and we do not have that in our current group I would keep turon and let Rick go as am sure he is more expensive but whatever happens we need to change our d core as well and isaacs is not the answer To be honest I would not have brought Haines back as Moyer is a step up on him and IMO he has looked off the pace since he returned So changes needed at the back as well as up front
Re thinel again I agree he has loooked out of place but the balance around him is not right so again a decision to be made but I would bring in the physicality of a pitton , biette , spadafora or siddal and if he still looks out of place then he has to go too
Todd has never recruited a balanced team
So fir me this is his last chance
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Post by swarfiga on Oct 27, 2016 18:09:56 GMT
Swarfiga Don't disagree re the D core But we need some power / physical presence at the back and we do not have that in our current group I would keep turon and let Rick go as am sure he is more expensive but whatever happens we need to change our d core as well and isaacs is not the answer To be honest I would not have brought Haines back as Moyer is a step up on him and IMO he has looked off the pace since he returned So changes needed at the back as well as up front Re thinel again I agree he has loooked out of place but the balance around him is not right so again a decision to be made but I would bring in the physicality of a pitton , biette , spadafora or siddal and if he still looks out of place then he has to go too Todd has never recruited a balanced team So fir me this is his last chance Aye you're right there, his recruitment has been balls for 6 years!
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