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Post by bobdee on Oct 24, 2016 12:11:09 GMT
Crowds are dropping fast - Challenge cup avg 2250 League Avg - 1848 To drop 400 fans in a matter of weeks is unreal. Take our first home game against Belfast 2521 through the door. Last night we only had 1667. That's basically 50% of what the rink can hold. -854 To drop that amount of fans in 2 months for a gate based club has to scare the people running the club. What did Todd say about enforcers "sure they put more bums on seat" Might want to start looking at youtube for a good fighter Todd At £10 a throw on average = £8,500. This is good business?
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Oct 24, 2016 12:11:53 GMT
I think as well the drop in attendance is due to in recent weeks the games being mainly on a Sunday. But once again that's due to total lack of organisation and sending someone to negotiate who in all honesty doesn't really bother about the club or fans needs.
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Oct 24, 2016 12:24:08 GMT
Post by waterboy on Oct 24, 2016 12:24:08 GMT
Crowds are dropping fast - Challenge cup avg 2250 League Avg - 1848 To drop 400 fans in a matter of weeks is unreal. Take our first home game against Belfast 2521 through the door. Last night we only had 1667. That's basically 50% of what the rink can hold. -854 To drop that amount of fans in 2 months for a gate based club has to scare the people running the club. What did Todd say about enforcers "sure they put more bums on seat" Might want to start looking at youtube for a good fighter Todd At £10 a throw on average = £8,500. This is good business? I normally go with £13 as an average ticket price so its more like £11,100. Whichever way you look at it its not great. Assume home gate max is 3200 at £13 a head- potential income so far for 8 games is £332,800 Actual attendance for these games is 16,396 (max is 25,600) so again avg price shows £213,148 in gate money. Not sure about anyone else but If my business had lost out on a potential extra £120,000 I'm fairly sure I would be asking some serious questions. Thing is we are still avg just over 2000 fans which is what their budget needs(going by Todd's statements in the summer about being a gate based club). I get the feeling this will drop quickly, I will be surprised if the crowd is above 15oo next week (assuming nothing changes).
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Oct 24, 2016 12:34:20 GMT
Post by zamboni on Oct 24, 2016 12:34:20 GMT
Sunday night with School the next day after 2 weeks October Holiday and work the next day and no drinking crowd always a lot less on a Sunday Just the die hard and the masochists fans
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Post by daviejojo on Oct 24, 2016 12:38:57 GMT
The numbers I guess, are hard to work out, we don't know how many corporate tickets etc, season tickets that are paid, but empty due to a Sunday etc, very hard to put a number on. The only undeniable fact, is crowds drop. We saw 2 or 3 years back, crowds of 3200-3500 on our late Play Off push, that shows the potential. A winning formula would have crowds at 2,500+ for every game, and when Clan etc come to town, you'd push over the 3,000 comfortably. It doesn't appear to need a NASA engineer to work out we're shipping a heck of a lot of revenue to foolhardy decisions being made either by the ownership or coaching staff.
Todd frequently says his directors won't put up with poor performances, alas, I see no evidence of this being true.
It looks, externally, that as long as we break a profit, we're comfortable. No idea what the magic numbers is, I suspect somewhere around the 1000-1200 mark puts us in the black, so even with crowds down, I suspect no real panic will come
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Post by hillsideflyer on Oct 24, 2016 12:46:12 GMT
For the first time in a long time I walked out a flyers game at the end of the 2nd against braehead at home.
The team that was sold to us at the start of the season has appeared once or twice, not good enough.
And the fact that this situation is almost a carbon copy each year is laughable.
Changes need to be made and fast. I actually understand todd's thinking behind this seasons play and when it works and frustrated the opposition it can work but we are simply not doing it.
The grittiness is there with a select few and same with the speed.
I will not be back to FIA until things change, and I'm sad to say that. Call me what you like but you pay for a product and at the minute it's not there.
Matt filled a lot of seats that are now empty. I'm not saying have an out and out enforcer but a bit more fight in the lines would certainly help.
In a pre season interview todd did say if the team he set out didn't work toughness wise he would review and look to change......that time is upon is now.
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Post by waterboy on Oct 24, 2016 14:47:02 GMT
For the first time in a long time I walked out a flyers game at the end of the 2nd against braehead at home. The team that was sold to us at the start of the season has appeared once or twice, not good enough. And the fact that this situation is almost a carbon copy each year is laughable. Changes need to be made and fast. I actually understand todd's thinking behind this seasons play and when it works and frustrated the opposition it can work but we are simply not doing it. The grittiness is there with a select few and same with the speed. I will not be back to FIA until things change, and I'm sad to say that. Call me what you like but you pay for a product and at the minute it's not there. Matt filled a lot of seats that are now empty. I'm not saying have an out and out enforcer but a bit more fight in the lines would certainly help. In a pre season interview todd did say if the team he set out didn't work toughness wise he would review and look to change......that time is upon is now. I wouldn't say your anything other than a flyers fan, who has had enough. I watched a woman bring out her Kindle to read a book last night the game was that boring. I am of a similar mind I don't intend on going this weekend unless changes are made. Not willing to throw my money away anymore. I have watched the Flyers for over 3 decades and witnessed some fantastic highs and terrible lows in that time but I have had enough.
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Post by daviejojo on Oct 24, 2016 14:49:11 GMT
I don't even think it's frustration at the team if I'm honest, that's been a couple of dreadful weekends, particularly at home, and in fairness to the crowd, they haven't really got on guys backs etc, quiet yes, but it's hard at times to be noisy when you are taking serious drubbings. The real frustration would appear to be at the fact that this happens every year, it's a constant, and it is so utterly avoidable
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Post by waterboy on Oct 24, 2016 14:57:03 GMT
I don't even think it's frustration at the team if I'm honest, that's been a couple of dreadful weekends, particularly at home, and in fairness to the crowd, they haven't really got on guys backs etc, quiet yes, but it's hard at times to be noisy when you are taking serious drubbings. The real frustration would appear to be at the fact that this happens every year, it's a constant, and it is so utterly avoidable I don't blame the players not at all, some are just not good enough and most fans picked them out before a skate hit the ice. Our coach has recruited a poor team. Just like I don't really blame the players when Fitzy went on the warpath, it's not who they are. They all know they cant stand up to him without coming out the other end hurting. It falls to the coach for who he recruited. An aging squad with no physical players in a league that is built on fast physical hockey and tough guys doing what tough guys do.
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Post by daviejojo on Oct 24, 2016 15:02:48 GMT
I don't even think it's frustration at the team if I'm honest, that's been a couple of dreadful weekends, particularly at home, and in fairness to the crowd, they haven't really got on guys backs etc, quiet yes, but it's hard at times to be noisy when you are taking serious drubbings. The real frustration would appear to be at the fact that this happens every year, it's a constant, and it is so utterly avoidable I don't blame the players not at all, some are just not good enough and most fans picked them out before a skate hit the ice. Our coach has recruited a poor team. Just like I don't really blame the players when Fitzy went on the warpath, it's not who they are. They all know they cant stand up to him without coming out the other end hurting. It falls to the coach for who he recruited. An aging squad with no physical players in a league that is built on fast physical hockey and tough guys doing what tough guys do. Absolutely spot on
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Oct 24, 2016 17:37:04 GMT
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Post by boschman76 on Oct 24, 2016 17:37:04 GMT
The best power forward Imo that iv seen in the league has to be salters perfect blend of a points scorer physical and will drop the gloves when required that is what is needed at the fia a couple off players in a similar mold
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Oct 24, 2016 18:15:56 GMT
Post by thebear on Oct 24, 2016 18:15:56 GMT
My tuppence worth
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- Finucci, for me hasn't done anything apart from win an O/T game in Braehead, not good enough, no end product I could go on, has had plenty of time to prove himself, very puck greedy reminds me of Ned but with half the skill & ability
- Schaber, Another one who has done next to nothing, looked impressive against a German 3rd division team but thats it, nice guy but, like Finucci, has not proven himself looks to be our new Jeff Lee
- Jackman, age is catching up to him, looks even slower than he did last year for Braehead, only thing I've seen him do is argue and complain to the refs
On Thin Ice
- Thinel, got excited when we signed this guy but hasn't shone like I thought he would, isn't the fastest guy but has good skill & vision and probably the best passer of the puck we have. Does show signs of what he is cabable of but needs to be consistant with it. Clock is ticking for him, I know a lot of people on here would get rid of him now but I would gass the other 2 forwards before him
- Sisca, for me has been very week. Yes he has scored goals/points but they have moslty been put on a plate for him. He can't hold the puck up, loses posession far too easily, can't back track and usually ends up taking a stupid penalty when his man gets passed him. Needs to improve for me
- Turon, me personally I think he has been OK, I know people would get rid of him but I wouldn't say he has been out worst d-man, on paper our 2nd highest scoring d-man but would prefer someone a bit more solid at the back
It's all very well us all being critical of each guys abilitys but a lot of this has got to be down to Todds system of hockey he is running. It's garbage, outdated and hasn't been working from day 1. How many players over the years have we had that have looked imense in the 1st few weeks only to fade away once the Todd system has been well and truly established and set in
I 100% agree we need 2 big power forwards sooner rather than later, shove one in the 1st & 2nd line and watch how better our players will become. 1 guy needed to protect Dingle, Fox, Stocks etc and SCREEN THE GOALIE!!!! its an utter joke how few times in a game we fail to put any traffic infront of the opposing net! I also feel that if we had these power forwards they could play and hold the puck more efficiently than who they have replaced, then can feed guys like Sisca & Thinel who I think would improve if they had guys like this to play with on their lines. Throw in a big powerful d-man, not necessarily an enforcer, but just a big tough d-man that can play, score the odd goal, good number of assists, and can hold his own with most of the bigger guys in the league and is willing to protect the team, then we have a team that can compete with any team in this league
Most of us have been harping for guys like this for years
Will we get them?
Not likley
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Post by grm on Oct 24, 2016 18:38:40 GMT
Bear Agree wth every element of your post The three players you call out need to go asap to be replaced up front by a siddal, pitton , biette , spadafora type In d we need a Matt or a kuznik
The one elephant in room you ignored is our brits
For me Bin Jamie Put scoon on a two way
Sign Dolan and Mccluskey
We kill our imports asking them to play pp and pk Braehead used Haywood and Mackenzie on their kill Dundee use Moore We don't truat any of our brits in special teams Dolan can play pp and Mccluskey can play both
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Oct 24, 2016 19:33:19 GMT
Post by thebear on Oct 24, 2016 19:33:19 GMT
Bear Agree wth every element of your post The three players you call out need to go asap to be replaced up front by a siddal, pitton , biette , spadafora type In d we need a Matt or a kuznik The one elephant in room you ignored is our brits For me Bin Jamie Put scoon on a two way Sign Dolan and Mccluskey We kill our imports asking them to play pp and pk Braehead used Haywood and Mackenzie on their kill Dundee use Moore We don't truat any of our brits in special teams Dolan can play pp and Mccluskey can play both The crisis of our Brits is we don't play them or utilize them the right way!
Agree with us using our imps on pp & pk constantly i.e. Dingle, who im surprised isn't burnt out already
For me Gunn has done nothing wrong and is our only forward brit capable of playing alongside imps in an established line, Wilson just not good enough but I would still throw him in there for a wee bit to give the imps a bit of a longer breather, Scoonie tries but again is not good enough but like Wilson get him on the ice for a bit!
Tommy & Wando have, for me, done nothing too drastically wrong either, yes they are going to make mistakes, maybe cause a few goals, but so far nothing more than any other imp D has done! In all honesty I think not having Horne has hurt us this year, no depth whatso ever in D, I would even argue as far back as Forsyth hanging them up, at least there were plenty of D to rotate
we are basically playing 2-2.5 lines each game, the odd 3 line game but not using any of our brits nearly enough, all our imps are going to be burnt out by x-mas (even the lazy slow ones) at this rate!
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Post by boschman76 on Oct 24, 2016 19:51:46 GMT
Think going by the games on you tube with schaber he would play the same role as Fulton only he would actually drop the gloves if we had 2 big physical guys in the same team we bring in guys then don't let them play there natural game same with thinel he has probably been accustomed to playing with a big physical guy along side him to create space for him square pegs in round holes
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