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Oct 24, 2016 20:09:48 GMT
Post by zamboni on Oct 24, 2016 20:09:48 GMT
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Post by daviejojo on Oct 24, 2016 20:10:34 GMT
Definitely an argument for making only 1 change, then seeing where a new coach would take the team
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Oct 24, 2016 20:49:00 GMT
Post by ogilthorpe on Oct 24, 2016 20:49:00 GMT
He would certainly stick up for his team mates but takes an awful lot of second prizes looking at his fights
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Oct 24, 2016 21:58:42 GMT
Post by thebear on Oct 24, 2016 21:58:42 GMT
He would certainly stick up for his team mates but takes an awful lot of second prizes looking at his fights aslong as he isn't getting leatherd about constantly made to look like a punching bag I wouldn't mind, as I've said not necessarily an enforcer but someone that can go toe to toe with the goons, would like to see him along with 1-2 others tho, can't have him in the sin bin then let everyone else run riot over the team
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Oct 25, 2016 9:48:25 GMT
Post by daviejojo on Oct 25, 2016 9:48:25 GMT
We simply need someone out there with a little authority, we've seen the last 2 weeks, Rosehill, Hendrix and Fitzg prowling about...the minute anything remotely like a coming together happens, they're over like a shot, yes they get 2 min penalties, but they look after their guys. That's exactly what Nickerson gave us, his very presence was felt by others, look at Clarkson when he injured Auger...Nicker was injured, but it went in his little black book, and a few weeks later, Devils returned to FIA, and it was "sorted". We simply have nobody in this role, and the very fact that Coach Dutes publicly claims that the league no longer has enforcers or fighters as a requirement, confirms the deluded coaching style.
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Post by finchy on Oct 25, 2016 9:59:11 GMT
We simply need someone out there with a little authority, we've seen the last 2 weeks, Rosehill, Hendrix and Fitzg prowling about...the minute anything remotely like a coming together happens, they're over like a shot, yes they get 2 min penalties, but they look after their guys. That's exactly what Nickerson gave us, his very presence was felt by others, look at Clarkson when he injured Auger...Nicker was injured, but it went in his little black book, and a few weeks later, Devils returned to FIA, and it was "sorted". We simply have nobody in this role, and the very fact that Coach Dutes publicly claims that the league no longer has enforcers or fighters as a requirement, confirms the deluded coaching style. Clarkson didn't injure Auger. He fell through an open door. Clarkson had offered anyone on the Flyers bench a fight in the previous game though so your point does still have merit. We'll need a better enforcer than Nicker these days though... Dundee have what I want- Cescon and Faryna. Blows away any theory about tough guys not being able to play. Todd stated pre season he was looking for toughness. I'd actually say we became softer. TJ Caig could handle himself if necessary and was great in the corners- don't think we even have that now.
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Post by daviejojo on Oct 25, 2016 10:14:46 GMT
We simply need someone out there with a little authority, we've seen the last 2 weeks, Rosehill, Hendrix and Fitzg prowling about...the minute anything remotely like a coming together happens, they're over like a shot, yes they get 2 min penalties, but they look after their guys. That's exactly what Nickerson gave us, his very presence was felt by others, look at Clarkson when he injured Auger...Nicker was injured, but it went in his little black book, and a few weeks later, Devils returned to FIA, and it was "sorted". We simply have nobody in this role, and the very fact that Coach Dutes publicly claims that the league no longer has enforcers or fighters as a requirement, confirms the deluded coaching style. Clarkson didn't injure Auger. He fell through an open door. Clarkson had offered anyone on the Flyers bench a fight in the previous game though so your point does still have merit. We'll need a better enforcer than Nicker these days though... Dundee have what I want- Cescon and Faryna. Blows away any theory about tough guys not being able to play. Todd stated pre season he was looking for toughness. I'd actually say we became softer. TJ Caig could handle himself if necessary and was great in the corners- don't think we even have that now. Can't believe I actually raised a point that has merit at all....away for a lie down
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Post by swarfiga on Oct 25, 2016 11:09:11 GMT
We simply need someone out there with a little authority, we've seen the last 2 weeks, Rosehill, Hendrix and Fitzg prowling about...the minute anything remotely like a coming together happens, they're over like a shot, yes they get 2 min penalties, but they look after their guys. That's exactly what Nickerson gave us, his very presence was felt by others, look at Clarkson when he injured Auger...Nicker was injured, but it went in his little black book, and a few weeks later, Devils returned to FIA, and it was "sorted". We simply have nobody in this role, and the very fact that Coach Dutes publicly claims that the league no longer has enforcers or fighters as a requirement, confirms the deluded coaching style. Clarkson didn't injure Auger. He fell through an open door. Clarkson had offered anyone on the Flyers bench a fight in the previous game though so your point does still have merit. We'll need a better enforcer than Nicker these days though... Dundee have what I want- Cescon and Faryna. Blows away any theory about tough guys not being able to play. Todd stated pre season he was looking for toughness. I'd actually say we became softer. TJ Caig could handle himself if necessary and was great in the corners- don't think we even have that now. That was a topper when Auger went through the door! He was an idiot anyway
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Post by Marky on Oct 25, 2016 11:21:33 GMT
That's another thing about Dutes and our style. The past few seasons we have signed some guys that have proven scoring records, but then they come here and the points dry up or tail off dramatically. That to me is purely down to our coaching style and systems, whatever they may be?
On Sunday night to play Tommy on the wing when we have other Brit forwards on the bench was a total disgrace, If I was one of the other forwards I'd be telling Dutes to get stuffed, as that would be the final nail in the coffin when my coach pretty much makes it obvious that he doesn't rate me in the slightest.
Now I'm not saying the guys on the bench are the best in the world but they turn up every game night and training session and the coach re-signed them, so instead of constantly overplaying the same imports, ice everyone. Especially when we are short handed.
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Oct 25, 2016 11:43:59 GMT
Post by daviejojo on Oct 25, 2016 11:43:59 GMT
Just sums up our coach to be honest
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Post by waterboy on Oct 25, 2016 11:53:21 GMT
As we keep hearing how we have progressed each year I have never thought that(well we have but so has the entire league so any progress is relative).
Given how we have started and we are 2 months in I did a quick comparison to previous seasons over the first 16 games.
I didn't include season 1 for obvious reasons
12/13 7 wins 9 losses 13/14 7 wins 9 losses 14/15 8 wins 8 losses 15/16 7 wins 9 losses
This season: 6 wins 10 losses.
Its our worst start in 5 seasons and we are out the cup for the first time at the first stage in 5 seasons.
Yup I would say we are definitely in a Crisis!! Wonder when we will hear from the club on what is being done to fix this..........not holding breath!
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Post by ronniemac on Oct 25, 2016 12:14:47 GMT
I felt and said he was not the right man for the job on day 1 but he was Johnny on the spot, he under-estimated the league from the beginning and still does today, tactics and team builds have remained the same and those didn't work 5 years ago, Todd is well out his depth and I think he should move on before he totally loses any respect the fans have for his services but please do not hand the job to Hutchins he isn't any better.
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Oct 25, 2016 12:15:49 GMT
Post by daviejojo on Oct 25, 2016 12:15:49 GMT
Yup. Only thing, and it's only fair I guess, the only thing I think that is slightly different, I think we may have had a harder start this season, i.e. played more Southern teams. Generally, we've played Stars and Caps to death by October, so it may have a little bit of an impact. But regardless of the reasons, we all know what needs to be done
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Oct 25, 2016 12:17:12 GMT
Post by daviejojo on Oct 25, 2016 12:17:12 GMT
I felt and said he was not the right man for the job on day 1 but he was Johnny on the spot, he under-estimated the league from the beginning and still does today, tactics and team builds have remained the same and those didn't work 5 years ago, Todd is well out his depth and I think he should move on before he totally loses any respect the fans have for his services but please do not hand the job to Hutchins he isn't any better. If anyone from the current organisation, I would suggest Dingle would be the man, the club does like to promote from within. Or, you look outside, bring in a guy who knows what needs to be done, a born winner who isn't afraid to make the big decisions, and who views the team as his employees, not his pals
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Oct 25, 2016 12:22:34 GMT
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Post by geordiemunro on Oct 25, 2016 12:22:34 GMT
The Brits basically get treated as 2nd class citizens. Why sign these players if you are not going to give them a proper chance? Not a shift or 2 per weekend if they are lucky. They get benched at the drop of a hat, when imports make same mistake not even a word in their ear.
Tommy & Wando good enough the other week against Manchester & Coventry but the minute the imports are fit again they are feeding on the scraps.
Gunny benched on Sunday after 1 or 2 shifts. Scoony pretty much the same. Torch given 1 shift. They all then have to watch as a British D man is asked to play on the wing.
Why sign players if you have no faith in them?
Part of Hutchins' supposed remit was to help develop the local players - current & future. Any evidence of that?
The players themselves will admit they are far from the best in the league but don't deserve this treatment.
It wouldn't surprise me if a few of them aren't getting a bit tired of this.
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