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Post by sparkymark75 on Dec 1, 2016 17:40:13 GMT
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Post by stewartgibson on Dec 1, 2016 17:59:57 GMT
So Dingle,Fox and Stockton all out this weekend. Finances the problem for no changes. Imagine if we had to actually pay for brits like every other team in the league. Get Tom Muir out of this club!!
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Post by swarfiga on Dec 1, 2016 18:08:05 GMT
So Dingle,Fox and Stockton all out this weekend. Finances the problem for no changes. Imagine if we had to actually pay for brits like every other team in the league. Get Tom Muir out of this club!! Finances my balls, at least double the gates of Dundee and Edinburgh, no full time Brits... absolute shambles
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Post by bleubrazil on Dec 1, 2016 20:44:56 GMT
Was told by a workmate that Alan Crow was refused entry into the press box on Saturday due to his previous article in the ffp. After his article in this weeks press he may be refused entry at the front door Well said Alan Crow, I think in this article he speaks for a very large majority of Flyers fans. Alan Crow's article was well written and hard-hitting but was missing one essential ingredient - which players did he want gassed and why? Now THAT would have started a real debate.
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Post by tackleberry on Dec 2, 2016 1:00:01 GMT
After his article in this weeks press he may be refused entry at the front door Well said Alan Crow, I think in this article he speaks for a very large majority of Flyers fans. Alan Crow's article was well written and hard-hitting but was missing one essential ingredient - which players did he want gassed and why? Now THAT would have started a real debate. I don't think his article missed anything, he said what needed saying IMO. Maybe YOU should start the real debate on who should go............Oh wait a minute, you are happy as it is, we are in fourth place blah, blah, blah, Well if we are in fourth place come the end of the season with the current squad we have I shall don my hat to you.
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Post by coloradoflyer on Dec 2, 2016 8:07:52 GMT
comments in the FFP from dutes.
“This is a two-tier league,” he said. “For some, the budget is unlimited and there are guys out there if you can afford them, but at 14 imports, and we’re carrying 15 right now, where does it end for us?
“I will defend my bosses on this. They’ve been saying this is a concern of theirs for years.
“It was a concern for them at 13, it definitely is at 14, and if it continues along this route, I think that the club’s position in this league is in jeapordy.
“It can’t be something you endlessly throw money at. Running a club of this size takes significant funds and people don’t realise the cost involved in hockey.
“It’s not just 14 imports salaries - it goes way further than that.”
does this mean that if the majority of the league were in favour of upping the import level or god help us saying there is no level we would be done. no more elite hockey then what does the future hold for the flyers, and also if were struggling at 14 imports or 15 imports how the heck are Dundee and caps and storm managing
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Post by sparkymark75 on Dec 2, 2016 13:02:48 GMT
does this mean that if the majority of the league were in favour of upping the import level or god help us saying there is no level we would be done. no more elite hockey then what does the future hold for the flyers, and also if were struggling at 14 imports or 15 imports how the heck are Dundee and caps and storm managing Not sure about the other two but Storm were/are supported by Neil Black.
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Post by happydaysdancer on Dec 2, 2016 13:05:49 GMT
Given all the uncertainty in the lower league EPL, this might be a timely announcement to get feelers out for a new lower import league (to replace EPL) . Could see us, Edinburgh, Dundee and even possibly Coventry being interested
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Post by grm on Dec 2, 2016 16:40:38 GMT
IMO We need to recognise / accept three things 1. The flyers are the oldest club in the league and have never gone bust so respect to the management throughout the years 2. We all believe we could contend better but will we ever be able to compete consistently with the big budget arena teams 3. To compete we need to improve the quality of our core brits
To compete within those constraints I believe we need to make massive improvements in following areas
1. Dramatically improve our off ice package on game nights - it is amateur city and we could do so much better without spending much 2. Dramticaly improve our sponsorship. - Diageo is the biggest multi national near us - they sponsor the giants so why not us - we have no sponsors who run buses etc - we have a very loyal group of local businesses but need to get more and get some rwal big hitters
Both Would increase our budget substantially
3 establish links with the Scottish universities why have we no tie ups with Stirling uni ( the Scottish institute for sport that offers mbas) , st Andrews that is the oldest uni in Scotland. To attract better players 4. Open our eyes to British talent like Craig Moore
Both would improve recruitment
5. And finally irrespective of all the above be ruthless within the budget to make changes - this is a recurring theme year on year - we all have views on who should be cut and we all know we kneed 1. A power forward 2. More speed in defence 3. A centre to replace Stockton And if possible within those three changes add a tougher body
Making the on ice changes we all crave will make this year a better year but if we have real ambitions to win championships, challenge cups and conferences on a regular basis we need to address all 5 areas I have described
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Post by swarfiga on Dec 2, 2016 17:21:33 GMT
If it's about money... thanks Hutchy... see u later mate. I mean seriously how much extra would it cost for example to get rid of Hutchins, Turon and Isaacs and replace them with Hendrix and a good quality centre. Christ they'd probably be up a few quid. And Stockton aswell, hand him his 2 weeks notice. They need to start being a little more ruthless here, no one wants to see people lose their jobs but in hockey it's inevitable . And I don't believe for a second they're pushing their limits, flyers wouldn't be in the elite league for 6 years without turning a profit. Speak to ex players around the rink and most will tell you there's plenty coin at the rink.
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Post by hillsideflyer on Dec 2, 2016 19:24:52 GMT
Fife flyers is a business and as such the directors will have a business plan. If they stick to the forecast and they are on budget then everything is ok. What fans want is a good on ice product and I believe the directors and coach do as well, it's the way they go about it which baffles me. As has been said on here they need to be a bit more ruthless when it comes to letting players go. That being said I do like the fact that flyers look after their players but to a certain level. Someone else pointed out that the commercial aspect of flyers is not being explored / exploited as it should be from the outside anyway. I do know from first hand that in previous seasons it was laughable. The whole set up needs looked at from top to bottom including youth development which most can see is not happening from a flyers point of view anyway. You just have to look at the change in the stars media and Manchester to see it wouldn't take much and the whole perception of the club would change and possibly attract sponsors who want to be associated with the club. Look at the club media now it's terrible, why would any business think this is a good way to spend my cash even though it's nearly all tax deductible. It would be interesting to look at the end of year accounts for various clubs and see what's going as some I think two maybe three will be running at a massive loss but I could be wrong and only a gut feeling based on attendance vs staff. So what changes are needed Where do you start is my honest answer, not just at flyers but EIHL mainly which in turn would help the smaller gate clubs compete.
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Post by swarfiga on Dec 2, 2016 20:03:47 GMT
Fife flyers is a business and as such the directors will have a business plan. If they stick to the forecast and they are on budget then everything is ok. What fans want is a good on ice product and I believe the directors and coach do as well, it's the way they go about it which baffles me. As has been said on here they need to be a bit more ruthless when it comes to letting players go. That being said I do like the fact that flyers look after their players but to a certain level. Someone else pointed out that the commercial aspect of flyers is not being explored / exploited as it should be from the outside anyway. I do know from first hand that in previous seasons it was laughable. The whole set up needs looked at from top to bottom including youth development which most can see is not happening from a flyers point of view anyway. You just have to look at the change in the stars media and Manchester to see it wouldn't take much and the whole perception of the club would change and possibly attract sponsors who want to be associated with the club. Look at the club media now it's terrible, why would any business think this is a good way to spend my cash even though it's nearly all tax deductible. It would be interesting to look at the end of year accounts for various clubs and see what's going as some I think two maybe three will be running at a massive loss but I could be wrong and only a gut feeling based on attendance vs staff. So what changes are needed Where do you start is my honest answer, not just at flyers but EIHL mainly which in turn would help the smaller gate clubs compete. Think about how bad our off ice stuff is, the PR, the sponsorship it all looks absolutely shocking. Then we've got the yearly pretty poorly recruited squads.. and we still get about 2000 through the door, imagine if they done things properly.... with the right people in these areas and the right recruitment there's no reason why the crowds wouldn't be close to the 3000 mark like in the old days, it's very achievable at the rink but there seems to be no ambition. If we got close to 3000 through the door that would financially allow us to compete near the top end of the league, it's been said too many times, a bunch of amateurs running a professional sports club.
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Post by zamboni on Dec 2, 2016 20:47:38 GMT
How can you complain about the Sponsorship we should be thankful to all Sponsors I know for a fact that the Flyers Commercial Manager has knocked a few doors to try and attract bigger names Whether some like it or not there is not many businesses queuing up to hand over cash to minority sports clubs Were not a city club were a small town on the east coast of Scotland Recruitment again people are entitled to opinion but to say poorly recruited is laughable we don't have the luxury of pre-season camps. Enjoy it while it lasts as there are now noises coming out that its becoming unsustainable
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Post by hillsideflyer on Dec 2, 2016 21:46:16 GMT
How can you complain about the Sponsorship we should be thankful to all Sponsors I know for a fact that the Flyers Commercial Manager has knocked a few doors to try and attract bigger names Whether some like it or not there is not many businesses queuing up to hand over cash to minority sports clubs Were not a city club were a small town on the east coast of Scotland Recruitment again people are entitled to opinion but to say poorly recruited is laughable we don't have the luxury of pre-season camps. Enjoy it while it lasts as there are now noises coming out that its becoming unsustainable I think you may have got wrong end of stick if your post was in response to my commnents, I was pointing out that I believe more could be done to gain more sponsorship in addition the the current sponsors. You have to make a product sell and the flyers just don't do that, the marketing of the brand and product is terrible and that has to be down to various people at the club. I think you are correct there is an undertone of unsustainability brewing. I thought hockey was on an upward trend in general but it could also mean that clubs like flyers, Edinburgh etc may not be able to compete for much longer. Saying that flyers are 4th in the league so what's all the moaning for ?? Lol
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Post by swarfiga on Dec 2, 2016 22:14:42 GMT
How can you complain about the Sponsorship we should be thankful to all Sponsors I know for a fact that the Flyers Commercial Manager has knocked a few doors to try and attract bigger names Whether some like it or not there is not many businesses queuing up to hand over cash to minority sports clubs Were not a city club were a small town on the east coast of Scotland Recruitment again people are entitled to opinion but to say poorly recruited is laughable we don't have the luxury of pre-season camps. Enjoy it while it lasts as there are now noises coming out that its becoming unsustainable I think you may have got wrong end of stick if your post was in response to my commnents, I was pointing out that I believe more could be done to gain more sponsorship in addition the the current sponsors. You have to make a product sell and the flyers just don't do that, the marketing of the brand and product is terrible and that has to be down to various people at the club. I think you are correct there is an undertone of unsustainability brewing. I thought hockey was on an upward trend in general but it could also mean that clubs like flyers, Edinburgh etc may not be able to compete for much longer. Saying that flyers are 4th in the league so what's all the moaning for ?? Lol Think that's the point tho mate, 4th in the league just now (realistically we are going to slide soon though) and there's so much to be improved on, don't agree with Simms much but he's right when he said flyers are a sleeping giant, do things right and we could generate a lot more income and have success, with a bit more ambition, My thoughts anyway!
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