icysmith
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Post by icysmith on Dec 26, 2012 18:16:58 GMT
I see you made a statement in another thread that the Flyers do not deserve to be in this league and we are not a big club.
Care to quantify your statements
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ronniemac
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Post by ronniemac on Dec 26, 2012 19:17:10 GMT
Better taking his comments with the proverbial pinch of salt, he is entitled to his opinion but it means sod all to us.
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Post by sparkymark75 on Dec 26, 2012 19:29:02 GMT
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he meant that we'd be better of not in the league as it's run for the benefit of a few and we deserve better.
As for the club statement, that was to do with the result of the review?
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Post by millar on Dec 26, 2012 19:31:26 GMT
meaning dundee have been open that they will take this to the board and there seems to be a change in the penalty. BIG CLUB (not in reality ) Fife players penalty gets increased because of a complaint, wee club ( not in reality ) a 75 year old financially one of the most stable clubs in the league.
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Post by ojc123 on Dec 26, 2012 21:15:03 GMT
Better taking his comments with the proverbial pinch of salt, he is entitled to his opinion but it means sod all to us. Indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 22:25:43 GMT
He could be talking about the managements small town mentality, by going in understrenght on the playing side
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Post by redders on Dec 27, 2012 17:35:25 GMT
Not a big club in what regard?
Lacking ambition? Low(ish) crowds? Failing to run with maximum import quotas?
Personally I've always seen the Flyers as one of the jewels in the crown of British Ice Hockey.
Started watching Panthers in '93 so got to see and learn a bit about Fife and what they stand for before our two teams went their separate ways due to the formation of ISL.
I'll always thing of yourselves as a bigger club than the likes of Hull, Coventry, Guildford, Bracknell etc because of the heritage aspect alone.
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spudeeelad
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Post by spudeeelad on Dec 28, 2012 16:30:40 GMT
I see you made a statement in another thread that the Flyers do not deserve to be in this league and we are not a big club. Care to quantify your statements Sure no problem. Only just saw this thread as I don't visit here too often. In answer to this first question, you have misquoted what I said. I never said Fife do not deserve to be in the EIHL. I said I don't think they should. My beliefs on the EIHL are pretty well known (although probably not here) and I made them clear several times on the old forum. If you don't know what these are, I will briefly clarify below You were invited/accepted (whatever way you want to look at it) into EIHL because the big boys needed a new whipping boy to replace the recently defunct Newcastle Vipers. Personally, I think the big boys should be left to their own devices because the same thing happens in league, after league, after league. Until every 'small' club comes together and tells the big boys where to go (i.e. let Panthers and Steelers play each other 100x a year on their own (and the same goes for other arena teams)) I think the 'small' clubs should form a new BNL and only let the big boys join if it's own our terms rather than us join them on OUR terms, not us smaller clubs keep joining them until we go bust and then get replaced. Sparkymark pretty much summed up it. I think Fife would be better outside the EIHL and the same statement goes for Dundee, Hull and Edinburgh. But I never said anything about not being deserving. It's hard to say who 'deserves' anything in UKIH because it's so crooked and uneven. My main point here is that the EIHL views you, Fife, in this manner; Fife - replacement for Newcastle Dundee - replacement for Manchester Braehead - replacement for Basingstoke (at least it would be had someone else formed this club, not Mr Black) Had Edinburgh gone bust like they very nearly did in the same year as Newcastle, who's next in the list to replace them? You're nothing to EIHL because you're just the same whipping boys under a different name. Do you think the league gives a damn about you? They didn't give a damn about Manchester, Basingstoke or Newcastle before you, so I have to ask, do you really think Fife are viewed differently? Do you not feel if you were really cared about that you would have been invited into the league much sooner, afterall, you've been there the whole time? Again, same to Dundee. On to the second one, that was a harmless little trolling post intended to pull a few strings (although not this hard lol!), I think most people on here saw this one for what it was and it doesn't really need much more explaining than that. If you have any problems with my posts, by all means feel free to PM me and I'll probably respond quicker as I will get notified via email.
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spudeeelad
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Post by spudeeelad on Dec 28, 2012 16:37:09 GMT
He could be talking about the managements small town mentality, by going in understrenght on the playing side Kind of a bit of a bit of that too. Depends how you see Fife being run. Do you really believe are spending everything they earn to make the team a success on the ice? I.e. the directors aren't pocketing a load of it? If so, why can't Fife afford 11 imports with crowds several times the size of their nearest rivals Dundee and Edinburgh? Is this because the club is perhaps run in an unprofessional manner and needs to look more towards the likes of Coventry so as to see how it really needs to be done? Fife and Coventry are of pretty much equal size in terms of seats and the amount of seats they sell on average, so why the huge difference in where the teams finish? How have Coventry won several EIHL titles with an ice pad that only holds 2,500 when competing against teams with 5000+ arenas? In other words, too many questions are lingering around. If you are to be in EIHL, you should not be in it under the circumstances you are, you should be in it to win it or not in it at all. No offense, but given Fife's long and illustrious history, are you really doing that history justice now in EIHL? I don't think so. Sure, it's top flight. But you're league position and running shortbenched etc is insulting to the club's own fans IMO. Edit:- Just to add, I don't buy into this 'we're giving local guys a chance' c***. If you really wanted to improve them, then you'd split up your imports and run with 2 imports and 1 brit on every line and give them the appropriate ice time that comes with being on that line.
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Post by spudeeelad on Dec 28, 2012 16:59:34 GMT
75 year old financially one of the most stable clubs in the league. Yeah but we could all go into EIHL and claim to be financially stable by running shortbenched. Hell, an ENL2 team could join EIHL, have 0 imports and be 'financially stable'. From a common sense perspective, if you can't meet the standards required to reasonably compete in the league, for example 11 imports, then you really shouldn't be in it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2012 17:26:08 GMT
Spud, no point coming on here and giving us half arsed answers, tell us what you really think... ..a few good points tho
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Post by grommit on Dec 28, 2012 19:26:12 GMT
Why are we bothering listening when we are dishing out Tautties at FIA close this thread as who gives a
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Post by ojc123 on Dec 28, 2012 19:32:21 GMT
I think the 'small' clubs should form a new BNL and only let the big boys join if it's own our terms rather than us join them on OUR terms, not us smaller clubs keep joining them until we go bust and then get replaced. Like it or not the Elite League is the only real option available to Flyers. The EPL teams seem quite happy to stay south of Sheffield. I can't imagine how we convince those clubs to join a BNL mk27 (or whatever it would be) if it means getting on a bus to Kirkcaldy, Dundee or Edinburgh now and again. A lot of politics went on during the BNL days and I think the politics would resurface again. I don't want to get into who was at fault; that gets us nowhere. Your suggestion sounds good in theory but I'd be very surprised if it ever happens. It would require too much give and take.
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spudeeelad
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Post by spudeeelad on Dec 28, 2012 19:53:05 GMT
I think the 'small' clubs should form a new BNL and only let the big boys join if it's own our terms rather than us join them on OUR terms, not us smaller clubs keep joining them until we go bust and then get replaced. Like it or not the Elite League is the only real option available to Flyers. The EPL teams seem quite happy to stay south of Sheffield. I can't imagine how we convince those clubs to join a BNL mk27 (or whatever it would be) if it means getting on a bus to Kirkcaldy, Dundee or Edinburgh now and again. A lot of politics went on during the BNL days and I think the politics would resurface again. I don't want to get into who was at fault; that gets us nowhere. Your suggestion sounds good in theory but I'd be very surprised if it ever happens. It would require too much give and take. Indeed. But sooner or later, we are ALL going to have to come together for the good of UKIH or we will ALL suffer.
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spudeeelad
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Post by spudeeelad on Dec 28, 2012 19:54:08 GMT
Spud, no point coming on here and giving us half arsed answers, tell us what you really think... ..a few good points tho Lol, the above is pretty much what I think. Fife should either be run properly or not in the EIHL, not somewhere in between lol
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