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Post by waterboy on Feb 25, 2017 13:34:38 GMT
It's been said a number of times before.
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Post by boschman76 on Feb 25, 2017 15:42:04 GMT
The problem we have is we must be the only team whose fans bother who plays for there team in terms off local guys instead of just wanting a winning team .i wouldn't mind betting the fans off Cardiff Sheffield Belfast couldn't give a monkeys who plays for them as long as they win games .im not saying its right but that's what happens in professional sport it's all about winning
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Post by andikilts11 on Feb 25, 2017 20:04:06 GMT
From a playing perspective, yes winning is everything. However, when you are spending hard-earned money to watch that team play, you want to be entertained first and foremost.
It's unlikely to happen anyway, but i'd rather watch a league with less (but more quality) imports and more local players than what the EIHL has become.
I can hardly think of any memorable games in the club's 6 year existence in the EIHL, but can still easily remember great (and not so great) nights from the Heineken and BNL days. Great players in Fife and opposing jerseys, local guys that were worth a place in the team.
There's no characters any more, teams are much of a muchness, no soul, hardly any passion, on ice or off it. Sometimes professionalism doesn't have its advantages.
Anyway enough of the old man moaning in me, i'm away to read old programmes or watch classic games.
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Post by harlan on Mar 1, 2017 9:50:19 GMT
So yesterday the remaining 7 EPL met to determine the long term sustainability and future of that league and the major factors out of the meeting is that it has been rebranded to now be called Premier Ice Hockey League and the name English has been dropped, which I think is a direct olive branch and appeal to the three east coast Scottish elite teams and removes a significant barrier if we were to think about applying to join
Each team will have 3 non trained British players and in the season 2019/20 there will be no import netminders allowed but with only 3 imports teams would probably not go with an import netminder from next season anyway
The idea of this league sounds like something that will greatly appeal to Muir IMO, especially if Dundee and Edinburgh can be persuaded to jump as well
I know the gap from 14 imports to 3 gives us a lot of spaces to fill but people have been crying out for opportunities for our local boys to play for the Flyers and this seems like it and the gap across from SNL to this league wouldn't be as great for our young guys to try and make.
Do people think that this new league would be something that Muir would now look at? Would it be something that we as fans welcome for the Flyers?
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Post by swarfiga on Mar 1, 2017 9:59:41 GMT
So yesterday the remaining 7 EPL met to determine the long term sustainability and future of that league and the major factors out of the meeting is that it has been rebranded to now be called Premier Ice Hockey League and the name English has been dropped, which I think is a direct olive branch and appeal to the three east coast Scottish elite teams and removes a significant barrier if we were to think about applying to join Each team will have 3 non trained British players and in the season 2019/20 there will be no import netminders allowed The idea of this league sounds like something that will greatly appeal to Muir IMO, especially if Dundee and Edinburgh can be persuaded to jump as well I know the gap from 14 imports to 3 gives us a lot of spaces to fill but people have been crying out for opportunities for our local boys to play for the Flyers and this seems like it and the gap across from SNL to this league wouldn't be as great for our young guys to try and make. Do people think that this new league would be something that Muir would now look at? Would it be something that we as fans welcome for the Flyers? Absolutely no chance, 3 import hockey would be awful and crowds would drop to under the 1k mark, I agree the import limit is too high but 3 is too low, can't see Tam going for that, too much travel and too little incoming cash. But saying that nothing would surprise me. Flyers to me are a top level British club and if they're playing in some part time semi pro league I won't be in attendance, sure many will feel the same.
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Post by waterboy on Mar 1, 2017 10:14:09 GMT
So yesterday the remaining 7 EPL met to determine the long term sustainability and future of that league and the major factors out of the meeting is that it has been rebranded to now be called Premier Ice Hockey League and the name English has been dropped, which I think is a direct olive branch and appeal to the three east coast Scottish elite teams and removes a significant barrier if we were to think about applying to join Each team will have 3 non trained British players and in the season 2019/20 there will be no import netminders allowed The idea of this league sounds like something that will greatly appeal to Muir IMO, especially if Dundee and Edinburgh can be persuaded to jump as well I know the gap from 14 imports to 3 gives us a lot of spaces to fill but people have been crying out for opportunities for our local boys to play for the Flyers and this seems like it and the gap across from SNL to this league wouldn't be as great for our young guys to try and make. Do people think that this new league would be something that Muir would now look at? Would it be something that we as fans welcome for the Flyers? Absolutely no chance, 3 import hockey would be awful and crowds would drop to under the 1k mark, I agree the import limit is too high but 3 is too low, can't see Tam going for that, too much travel and too little incoming cash. But saying that nothing would surprise me. Flyers to me are a top level British club and if they're playing in some part time semi pro league I won't be in attendance, sure many will feel the same. Muir if he is running the club right should jump at this chance to join a league like this. With the Kestrels. Now before folk jump up and down this is exactly what the club needs to develop players for the Eilte team. They did it before for a few seasons and guys like Iain Robertson Les Millie Davie Smith all played in the old First Division with Imports like Del Gosse Graham Herring Steve Marr Steve Mackie. I still remember a cracking game against Telford that ended up about 10-9 or something along those lines. Local club for local guys all right then prove it give them this opportunity.
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Post by swarfiga on Mar 1, 2017 10:17:50 GMT
Absolutely no chance, 3 import hockey would be awful and crowds would drop to under the 1k mark, I agree the import limit is too high but 3 is too low, can't see Tam going for that, too much travel and too little incoming cash. But saying that nothing would surprise me. Flyers to me are a top level British club and if they're playing in some part time semi pro league I won't be in attendance, sure many will feel the same. Muir if he is running the club right should jump at this chance to join a league like this. With the Kestrels. Now before folk jump up and down this is exactly what the club needs to develop players for the Eilte team. They did it before for a few seasons and guys like Iain Robertson Les Millie Davie Smith all played in the old First Division with Imports like Del Gosse Graham Herring Steve Marr Steve Mackie. I still remember a cracking game against Telford that ended up about 10-9 or something along those lines. Local club for local guys all right then prove it give them this opportunity. Posted on another thread about that actually mate, I heard that flyers, Dundee and Edinburgh met to discuss having a joint set up to go into the proposed 2 tier set up to help develop their best talent, if the 3 clubs are low on quality youngsters that could prove a very good idea for them.
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ronniemac
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Post by ronniemac on Mar 1, 2017 10:31:16 GMT
I would agree that 3 imports is too low for todays audience, a progressive reduction over 5 years would be a better way to go, that would help encourage Brits to aspire to a higher level and appease the locals who want to see their own development system produce the next Tony Hand if possible.
Something I saw on Saturday night in Belfast was not a pleasant scene, after the game there were 2 or 3 adults with a group of young children standing at the rear gate of the stadium waiting on the Flyers going to the team bus, they were singing their hearts out for about 20 mins about 30ft away from the exiting players.....only 1 came over and signed a shirt (well done James Isaacs) most of the rest walked past without acknowledging them, some others merely lifted a hand to show a token gesture, Hutchins actually turned as he was walking past and clapped but TD never looked over at all. This may seem trivial to some people but those young guys are the life blood of the clubs existence and I thought it was horrendous the way they were treated, this was about 9.30pm with the boat leaving at 11.30pm and you could check in up to half an hour before leaving with only a 10 minute drive to the docks ........PR what does that mean.
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Post by ronniemac on Mar 1, 2017 10:38:05 GMT
Waterboy
I think one of the players you were referring to was Mark Mackie.
I think The Great Night Out has morphed away from local guys filling most of the roster and Flyers are now in the show business league, perhaps it would be good if a second string could run alongside with 3 imports competing in this proposed new Premier League.
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Post by waterboy on Mar 1, 2017 10:38:55 GMT
I would agree that 3 imports is too low for todays audience, a progressive reduction over 5 years would be a better way to go, that would help encourage Brits to aspire to a higher level and appease the locals who want to see their own development system produce the next Tony Hand if possible. Something I saw on Saturday night in Belfast was not a pleasant scene, after the game there were 2 or 3 adults with a group of young children standing at the rear gate of the stadium waiting on the Flyers going to the team bus, they were singing their hearts out for about 20 mins about 30ft away from the exiting players.....only 1 came over and signed a shirt (well done James Isaacs) most of the rest walked past without acknowledging them, some others merely lifted a hand to show a token gesture, Hutchins actually turned as he was walking past and clapped but TD never looked over at all. This may seem trivial to some people but those young guys are the life blood of the clubs existence and I thought it was horrendous the way they were treated, this was about 9.30pm with the boat leaving at 11.30pm and you could check in up to half an hour before leaving with only a 10 minute drive to the docks ........PR what does that mean. That's actually made my blood boil, disgusting behaviour driven by the coach. Players always and I mean win or lose always have to make time for the fans. That should be written into their contract. Listened to the Paul Hand podcast yesterday and he talks about that very thing. You always have to give back to the fans as they are paying your wages and are the lifeblood of the clubs future. If I owned this club and witnessed that I would have frog marched the lot of them off the bus and over to the fans for signing photos etc. You never take fans for granted. This club is getting some things right but its getting a awful lot wrong, none worse than this for me.
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Post by waterboy on Mar 1, 2017 10:44:09 GMT
Waterboy I think one of the players you were referring to was Mark Mackie. I think The Great Night Out has morphed away from local guys filling most of the roster and Flyers are now in the show business league, perhaps it would be good if a second string could run alongside with 3 imports competing in this proposed new Premier League. Yup my mistake it was Mark Mackie. Terrific player who was part of the first Steelers team if I remember right. I take that back he was a terrible person just for that
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Post by coloradoflyer on Mar 1, 2017 10:53:09 GMT
so we have a guy been here 20 years been coach for what 8 may be and he can't even turn round and say thanks for coming over to Belfast which would not have been cheap, yet the guy been here 5 mins turns round and claps what does that tell you
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Post by harlan on Mar 1, 2017 10:57:29 GMT
Absolutely no chance, 3 import hockey would be awful and crowds would drop to under the 1k mark, I agree the import limit is too high but 3 is too low, can't see Tam going for that, too much travel and too little incoming cash. But saying that nothing would surprise me. Flyers to me are a top level British club and if they're playing in some part time semi pro league I won't be in attendance, sure many will feel the same. Muir if he is running the club right should jump at this chance to join a league like this. With the Kestrels. Now before folk jump up and down this is exactly what the club needs to develop players for the Eilte team. They did it before for a few seasons and guys like Iain Robertson Les Millie Davie Smith all played in the old First Division with Imports like Del Gosse Graham Herring Steve Marr Steve Mackie. I still remember a cracking game against Telford that ended up about 10-9 or something along those lines. Local club for local guys all right then prove it give them this opportunity. I did think that this league could be a good opportunity for the Kestrels to join but forgot to put it as an option in my original post. The financial situation is an awful lot different today than it was for the two seasons Kestrels were in the old First Division and I don't know if there would be the appetite from the Fife public for two teams at these levels now. If it was the Kestrels joining I would want it to be them and not a regionalised "Super" team with Dundee and Edinburgh players in it, I am not a fan of regionalised teams as I think local people would have an even harder identifying with a team that had players from other clubs on it than they do with an import laden team. Where would a regionalised team play and train? Who has the say in which players play for it? If for example Dundee only have one player in the team are they going to want to continue making players available and them not get the chance to play? Also if in that example are any Dundee fans going to travel to Kirkcaldy or Edinburgh to see the team play with only one representative from their club in it? Would they travel to Kirkcaldy or Edinburgh to see that team play anyway no matter how many Dundee players were on it? Likewise Fife and Edinburgh fans, would they travel to Dundee to watch this "Super" team? If we were thinking of putting the Kestrels in then we have to do the selfish thing and think about it for us and I do think it is a fantastic option for Kestrels
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Post by superpatsy on Mar 1, 2017 11:06:34 GMT
Then you get guys like McGrattan who hung about after we beat them a few weeks ago getting pictures taken and signing stuff for people.
Wished I'd known he was hanging around, would loved to have met him!
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Post by swarfiga on Mar 1, 2017 12:03:20 GMT
I would agree that 3 imports is too low for todays audience, a progressive reduction over 5 years would be a better way to go, that would help encourage Brits to aspire to a higher level and appease the locals who want to see their own development system produce the next Tony Hand if possible. Something I saw on Saturday night in Belfast was not a pleasant scene, after the game there were 2 or 3 adults with a group of young children standing at the rear gate of the stadium waiting on the Flyers going to the team bus, they were singing their hearts out for about 20 mins about 30ft away from the exiting players.....only 1 came over and signed a shirt (well done James Isaacs) most of the rest walked past without acknowledging them, some others merely lifted a hand to show a token gesture, Hutchins actually turned as he was walking past and clapped but TD never looked over at all. This may seem trivial to some people but those young guys are the life blood of the clubs existence and I thought it was horrendous the way they were treated, this was about 9.30pm with the boat leaving at 11.30pm and you could check in up to half an hour before leaving with only a 10 minute drive to the docks ........PR what does that mean. That's ****ing disgusting, it wouldn't be that if we all stopped turning up to games and those idiots never got paid!! Who on earth do they think they are? They were kids once, they probably spent hours waiting on photos with their favourite players. Too big for it now aye? Well I'll tell them what some of them need a reality check because they ain't that good
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