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Post by willie3av on May 10, 2017 22:35:45 GMT
This is purely a half educated guess bit I would think flyers in the Elite are break even at just over a 1000 crowd. I would imagine their breakdown would be roughly 14 imports at average £800 per week brits total £1000 per week equipment £800 per week so around £13000 cost per week top end (possibly a bit less) And our average gate £12 per head? perhaps, so say a crowd of 1500 weekly gives £18000. Now I know they have costs of other staff, referees, travel. But sponsor money, match night sponsor, equipment sponsor, merchandising, 50/50, chuck a puck, webcasts, would surely cover these things. I think what hurt the Flyers last season was no extra challenge cup game which no doubt covers the initial outlays for flights etc, players will only be paid weekly so this is more or less 100% profit. And of course poor performances despite for the first time in EIHL not scraping in to the playoffs really affected crowd numbers. Flyers, as most have said, with the right team would easily be an average 2000+ crowd, at this kind of budget. A very simplistic outlook, I know you mentioned that there are other costs but I think your budget may soon escalate, you don't take into account of accommodation, insurances, medical costs, TAXES, Flights too and from Scotland, Visas, kit. It all mounts up
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Post by joestoyanovich on May 11, 2017 17:51:28 GMT
Just noticed on the EIHL website after no games we are lying 7th in the table just behind Edinburgh Dundee Coventry Cardiff Braehead and Belfast.
Heady days indeed! TD back in charge and we're already 7th!
I don't want to be pessimistic but will this be our highest league placing of the season?
LOL
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Post by waterboy on May 11, 2017 18:01:31 GMT
This is purely a half educated guess bit I would think flyers in the Elite are break even at just over a 1000 crowd. I would imagine their breakdown would be roughly 14 imports at average £800 per week brits total £1000 per week equipment £800 per week so around £13000 cost per week top end (possibly a bit less) And our average gate £12 per head? perhaps, so say a crowd of 1500 weekly gives £18000. Now I know they have costs of other staff, referees, travel. But sponsor money, match night sponsor, equipment sponsor, merchandising, 50/50, chuck a puck, webcasts, would surely cover these things. I think what hurt the Flyers last season was no extra challenge cup game which no doubt covers the initial outlays for flights etc, players will only be paid weekly so this is more or less 100% profit. And of course poor performances despite for the first time in EIHL not scraping in to the playoffs really affected crowd numbers. Flyers, as most have said, with the right team would easily be an average 2000+ crowd, at this kind of budget. A very simplistic outlook, I know you mentioned that there are other costs but I think your budget may soon escalate, you don't take into account of accommodation, insurances, medical costs, TAXES, Flights too and from Scotland, Visas, kit. It all mounts up Mentioned this on another thread but our attendance is averaged out at 1951 this season. Our income (£13 a head) sitting at £765,000. Which is 25 grand a game. Thats based on actual attendance figures. Budget for us isn't an issue. Put on at least 3 pre season games against good opposition (like the steelers are doing- tickets already on sale for them btw) and that covers costs of training camps/bringing the guys in earlier.
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Post by coloradoflyer on May 11, 2017 18:08:36 GMT
this is where the bigger budget teams have the advantage they can employ people to do proper PR and marketing for the club to get the bums on the seats what change do part timers like us, Dundee and caps do who use volunteers. this league is about firstly really good PR and marketing your club to the hilt then you may get better financial gain which in turn should mean better on ice product which then should mean success
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Post by johndabomb on May 11, 2017 18:23:42 GMT
Why don't us, Caps and Stars all chip in for a joint PR person.
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Post by waterboy on May 11, 2017 18:24:05 GMT
Dont disagree colorado but the past experiences I and family members have had trying to get tickets arranged or answers to season ticket applications etc wasn't exactly brilliant. The folk in the office where not customer focused shall we say.
I went up for tickets a while back and nobody was even in the office to take my money that happened on more than one occasion. No idea if that sort of thing still goes on as I buy tickets online these days so maybe its much better. The cynic in me assumes it wont be.
As for the bigger budget teams Todd Kelman has said a good few times he is on the phone himself pushing for folk to buy tickets to ensure games are sold out. It's all about the effort the club puts in, My impression of the flyers stars Caps is that they open the doors and see who turns up!
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Post by coloradoflyer on May 11, 2017 18:38:08 GMT
anytime I go for tickets now there is someone at the ticket office bit which is now straight in front of you as you walk in the front door, but I agree come customer service professional qualification wouldn't go a miss
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Post by swarfiga on May 11, 2017 18:44:36 GMT
It's just about getting the right volunteers, too many of them are in that clique that's been mentioned, it's been said various people have offered to help but been ignored
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Post by Dirty Lyle on May 11, 2017 19:22:17 GMT
this is where the bigger budget teams have the advantage they can employ people to do proper PR and marketing for the club to get the bums on the seats what change do part timers like us, Dundee and caps do who use volunteers. this league is about firstly really good PR and marketing your club to the hilt then you may get better financial gain which in turn should mean better on ice product which then should mean success PR and Marketing at Fife is not done by a volunteer, they hire someone at a very attractive hourly rate. Total waste of money for an absolute abysmal return. Here is a place where a lot of cash can be saved. Would you honestly pay anything for the PR and marketing the club currently has.
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Post by waterboy on May 11, 2017 19:45:40 GMT
this is where the bigger budget teams have the advantage they can employ people to do proper PR and marketing for the club to get the bums on the seats what change do part timers like us, Dundee and caps do who use volunteers. this league is about firstly really good PR and marketing your club to the hilt then you may get better financial gain which in turn should mean better on ice product which then should mean success PR and Marketing at Fife is not done by a volunteer, they hire someone at a very attractive hourly rate. Total waste of money for an absolute abysmal return. Here is a place where a lot of cash can be saved. Would you honestly pay anything for the PR and marketing the club currently has. For PR help like that they should be getting a refund!
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Post by andi renson on May 11, 2017 20:35:17 GMT
PR and Marketing at Fife is not done by a volunteer, they hire someone at a very attractive hourly rate. Total waste of money for an absolute abysmal return. Here is a place where a lot of cash can be saved. Would you honestly pay anything for the PR and marketing the club currently has. For PR help like that they should be getting a refund! PR eh? Whether you agree with Dutes' re-appointment or not, this should have been published on Flyers website or on Flyers Facebook page(no update since yesterday's Elite statement). I hope we are nor relying on the FFP for news this season again.
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Post by stewartgibson on May 12, 2017 10:16:21 GMT
Poulin,Faryna and Moore to come over from Dundee.
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Post by waterboy on May 12, 2017 11:03:48 GMT
Poulin,Faryna and Moore to come over from Dundee. Moore just announced as signed for the devils.
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Post by coloradoflyer on May 12, 2017 11:15:29 GMT
Poulin,Faryna and Moore to come over from Dundee. Moore just announced as signed for the devils. see what fife could have had ffs 25-50 quid a week who you trying tae kid muir
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Post by waterboy on May 12, 2017 11:22:32 GMT
Dont think this has been confirmed anywhere but...
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