Why 2 Coaches ?

[CraggyP]

Ok Guys..... not been on for ages but after reading the signing news yesterday I too am dejected by the lack of depth in the squad and totally get all comments and yes I will struggle to watch the continual bullying we seem to endure post Nickerson era.

BUT my genuine query is why 2 coaches - I just don't get it

Who else in the league deems this necessary and by what reasoning does it become economical within a low budget strategy?

Is Hutchins on a trial period,I don't think so , or does he do it as a hobby or for the local budget of £25 a week

Are 2 coaches an essential part of the jigsaw for Flyers success and what can be the value add.

Any Suggestions ?

[swarfiga]

My only thinking is Todd simply can't manage on his own, but even if it's that why has he not got a player assistant coach, to me it's because he can't handle running the Forwards and D from the bench, if that's the case he shouldn't be in the job. It makes zero sense, but what does because they spend money on 2 bench coaches and sign no one like a Nickerson to help with the crowds which would help with the budget which would help with the team which would help with the crowds which would help with the budget which would help sustain long term success 👏👏👏

[zamboni]

Aug 19, 2017 9:20:46 GMT CraggyP said:

Ok Guys..... not been on for ages but after reading the signing news yesterday I too am dejected by the lack of depth in the squad and totally get all comments and yes I will struggle to watch the continual bullying we seem to endure post Nickerson era.

BUT my genuine query is why 2 coaches - I just don't get it

Who else in the league deems this necessary and by what reasoning does it become economical within a low budget strategy?

Is Hutchins on a trial period,I don't think so , or does he do it as a hobby or for the local budget of £25 a week

Are 2 coaches an essential part of the jigsaw for Flyers success and what can be the value add.

Any Suggestions ?

most teams have two coaches these days either assist or player assistant coach
You don't know what money goes on it he could well be doing it for love of being involved in the game

[CraggyP]

Aug 19, 2017 10:01:38 GMT zamboni said:

Aug 19, 2017 9:20:46 GMT CraggyP said:

Ok Guys..... not been on for ages but after reading the signing news yesterday I too am dejected by the lack of depth in the squad and totally get all comments and yes I will struggle to watch the continual bullying we seem to endure post Nickerson era.

BUT my genuine query is why 2 coaches - I just don't get it

Who else in the league deems this necessary and by what reasoning does it become economical within a low budget strategy?

Is Hutchins on a trial period,I don't think so , or does he do it as a hobby or for the local budget of £25 a week

Are 2 coaches an essential part of the jigsaw for Flyers success and what can be the value add.

Any Suggestions ?

most teams have two coaches these days either assist or player assistant coach
You don't know what money goes on it he could well be doing it for love of being involved in the game

Well that's what I was hoping .... he loves the game and wants to be involved as lots of us older Hockey fans understand.

Most teams ? have 2 coaches .
I understand the value of player coaches ( Danny etc ) but I cannot remember any team having 2 suited guys watching from the bench over the team ......but I will be proven wrong I am sure.

[waterboy]

Panthers have done for the past 4 seasons, Steelers the past 5. The clan have for the past 3 out of 4 and us from last season.

Cardiff on some games when Lord puts the suit on, Belfast will do fulltime this season after doing it a few games during last season.

MK will be so will Guildford, Caps will be so will the storm.

So the clan, stars and blaze have one with the clan and blaze having a playing assistant. Cardiff have bench coach and playing head coach. Stars are the only team with one coach.

8 teams will have 2 bench coaches this season.

[CraggyP]

Aug 19, 2017 10:54:59 GMT waterboy said:

Panthers have done for the past 4 seasons, Steelers the past 5. The clan have for the past 3 out of 4 and us from last season.

Cardiff on some games when Lord puts the suit on, Belfast will do fulltime this season after doing it a few games during last season.

MK will be so will Guildford, Caps will be so will the storm.

So the clan, stars and blaze have one with the clan and blaze having a playing assistant. Cardiff have bench coach and playing head coach. Stars are the only team with one coach.

8 teams will have 2 bench coaches this season.

Yip proved wrong .... but I still cannot understand why ?

Everyone must see the benefit of a player / Second coach (Danny)

Why is this now seen as a must if 8/10 have 2 coaches per team.

Waterboy,
Can you name the 2nd coaches you mention apart from Lord who was player/coach please out of curiosity . Clan ? Is one better known than the other or something ?
I must be wrong but cannot remember 2 coaches side by side on the opposition benches before.

Also add, I do understand defensive/offensive coaches etc. but for teams on a tight budget spending capital on 2 'bench' coaches over a quality player/coach ?
unless all budget teams have 'Love of being involved ' 2nd coaches , which I must admit is totally possible as the people who love the sport always want to be involved ,as we know.

[ronniemac]

No danger are Todd & Hutchins doing the job for the love of the game, can you honestly see a players getting paid more than them.....i don't think so....easily a £1,000 a week between those two minimum.

[waterboy]

Aug 19, 2017 11:07:12 GMT CraggyP said:

Aug 19, 2017 10:54:59 GMT waterboy said:

Panthers have done for the past 4 seasons, Steelers the past 5. The clan have for the past 3 out of 4 and us from last season.

Cardiff on some games when Lord puts the suit on, Belfast will do fulltime this season after doing it a few games during last season.

MK will be so will Guildford, Caps will be so will the storm.

So the clan, stars and blaze have one with the clan and blaze having a playing assistant. Cardiff have bench coach and playing head coach. Stars are the only team with one coach.

8 teams will have 2 bench coaches this season.

Yip proved wrong .... but I still cannot understand why ?

Everyone must see the benefit of a player / Second coach (Danny)

Why is this now seen as a must if 8/10 have 2 coaches per team.

Waterboy,
Can you name the 2nd coaches you mention apart from Lord who was player/coach please out of curiosity . Clan ? Is one better known than the other or something ?
I must be wrong but cannot remember 2 coaches side by side on the opposition benches before.

Also add, I do understand defensive/offensive coaches etc. but for teams on a tight budget spending capital on 2 'bench' coaches over a quality player/coach ?
unless all budget teams have 'Love of being involved ' 2nd coaches , which I must admit is totally possible as the people who love the sport always want to be involved ,as we know.

Lord is head coach with Neil Francis as bench coach. Edit: just checked it used to be franny it's Jamie Elson now and has been for the last few seasons.

Clan had Hartmann and Frank Morris on the Bench Fitzy as player coach and Brooksy this year.

Panthers Rick Strachan for ever, even when Corey was still playing.

Steelers have had Darrell Hay Marc Leferbve currently it's Jerry Andersson

Caps Jock Hay for what feels like decades.

Rob Stewart in Belfast if I remember his name right. He has been in the role for at least a few seasons

Manchester is mike Morin former Storm player from years ago

MK and Guildford I would have to look up but both are former import players from the EPL I think it's Emersic and Milos something ??

[waterboy]

Aug 19, 2017 11:38:36 GMT ronniemac said:

No danger are Todd & Hutchins doing the job for the love of the game, can you honestly see a players getting paid more than them.....i don't think so....easily a £1,000 a week between those two minimum.

Yeah that made me chuckle, like you say Ronnie no way it's for the love of the game. It's Todd full time job.

[waterboy]

Aug 19, 2017 9:59:21 GMT swarfiga said:

My only thinking is Todd simply can't manage on his own, but even if it's that why has he not got a player assistant coach, to me it's because he can't handle running the Forwards and D from the bench, if that's the case he shouldn't be in the job. It makes zero sense, but what does because they spend money on 2 bench coaches and sign no one like a Nickerson to help with the crowds which would help with the budget which would help with the team which would help with the crowds which would help with the budget which would help sustain long term success 👏👏👏

You see a clear difference in the both guys on the bench Hutchy is engaged and communicating with his defencemen. Todds style is something akin to suit holder!

[amazepux]

I think a bench coach with a supporting player assistant coach is probably the best for us.
I would have thought we would have an D as player asst coach.
Although I suppose the experienced imports will all chip in with experience and knowledge to 'assist'

I watched a mid-90's B&H cup match recently which had MM as player coach after taking over from Ron Plumb and the then injured G Latto (legend) stepped in to oversee the bench. They won the game v Steelers.

I can also see the potential benefit of having an on-ice perspective to appraise things.

N.B. Bernie McCrone could play a bit!

[waterboy]

Aug 19, 2017 12:08:18 GMT amazepux said:

I think a bench coach with a supporting player assistant coach is probably the best for us.
I would have thought we would have an D as player asst coach.
Although I suppose the experienced imports will all chip in with experience and knowledge to 'assist'

I watched a mid-90's B&H cup match recently which had MM as player coach after taking over from Ron Plumb and the then injured G Latto (legend) stepped in to oversee the bench. They won the game v Steelers.

I can also see the potential benefit of having an on-ice perspective to appraise things.

N.B. Bernie McCrone could play a bit!

Yeah agree with that, Makes sense from budget and playing point of view for us.

Although we need new coaches but thats a different discussion altogether.

[joestoyanovich]

We don't have two player coaches though.

We have one cardboard cutout of TD on the bench during games, I've hardly seen him move during most of the games.
And to back him up we have JH who does..., well I'm not sure what he does to be honest.

I'll tell you one thing it would be P45 time if I had anything to do with it for both of them.

[lightningflyer]

MK have Pete Russell and Blaz Emersic on the bench, last year they had Lewis Clifford as an assistant/video coach but not sure if that role will continue as Clifford had stepped up to coach MK Thunder

[flyer22]

Aug 19, 2017 13:25:08 GMT joestoyanovich said:

We don't have two player coaches though.

We have one cardboard cutout of TD on the bench during games, I've hardly seen him move during most of the games.
And to back him up we have JH who does..., well I'm not sure what he does to be honest.

I'll tell you one thing it would be P45 time if I had anything to do with it for both of them.

Sit right behind Todd, totally see where people would be coming from by thinking Todd stands still doing nothing but from sitting so close you can see he does actually interact with players a lot. Todd is notably quieter that hutchy in talking to them and might not bend down to do so as often,but I 100% assure you that both Hutchy and Todd do the same amount, the same amount as any other coach on the bench in this league does.