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Post by flyman on Sept 30, 2017 6:08:26 GMT
aren't the Fife Flyers and Fife Ice Arena 2 separate company's if they are the Elite League disciple Fife Flyers saying that they had to put up plexi behind the away bench. But we have to remember Flyers only rent the arena for there ice time like the other arena teams, so when the Elite league fined the team all the Flyers had to do was ask the Arena management to install this. If the arena management came back and said no they were not going to do this then I believe there is nothing the Flyers can do about it. I Know some of you will come back and say but both are owned by the same man (Tam) but in the end they are 2 separate business the Elite league cannot force a arena to do anything as only the teams are under there control of board members.
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Post by swarfiga on Sept 30, 2017 8:49:33 GMT
I suppose that makes sense considering the shambles with teams installing goal cameras why should they do it straight away when others don’t
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spudeeelad
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Post by spudeeelad on Oct 5, 2017 10:10:26 GMT
Something is definitely wrong at Flyers and has been since you joined the Elite league. I thought for the first couple of season you were just struggling with the changes from SNL, but that excuse can't be used anymore.
I don't know how to get there, but from the outside looking in, I think Flyers should be a much bigger team than you are - the average crowd sizes at Flyers are probably 6th in the league behind Braehead Cardiff, Coventry, Nottingham and Sheffield. So whilst I accept it's overly simplistic, it makes sense to me that Flyers should be signing a better team and well, based on the complaints about no response from offices, bad DJs etc. and general lack of professionalism, be doing an all round better job.
I don't know the club like any of you, but from the impressions I consistently get on here, it's like the club is just run by dinosaurs from top to bottom and needs a complete clear-out and fresh personnel bringing in.
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ronniemac
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Post by ronniemac on Oct 5, 2017 11:57:02 GMT
Spud, 11 / 10 for observation.
Owner has no ambition for the club unfortunately, Fife Flyers are basically the Slapshot team equivalent in the EIHL.
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superpatsy
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Post by superpatsy on Oct 5, 2017 12:49:45 GMT
It never bodes well when a fan from an English team in the EIHL is echoing the same sentiments that ring true around the rink and forum from us fans who are there on a weekly basis.
Spot on observation, mate!
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gmac
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Post by gmac on Oct 5, 2017 14:15:13 GMT
"but from the impressions I consistently get on here"
If this place is your only point of reference then it's no surprise you have developed that impression
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Post by coloradoflyer on Oct 5, 2017 14:31:57 GMT
go on twitter and FB right after a game when we have played gash you will see negativity
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spudt25
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Post by spudt25 on Oct 5, 2017 14:59:54 GMT
I've seen and heard various comments over the course about people offering to buy the club, not sure if that means the actual hockey club or the complete rink itself? So there is definite ambition somewhere and the realisation is there that this club has the potential to be a contender in this league in my opinion, but if the view is that the owners have no ambition, then why not sell? Pride....? not wanting someone else to succeed where they couldn't for whatever reason? I've fallen out of love a wee bit with the club over the last season or so, but I still maintain that with all the rinks I've visited over the years watching Fife, FIA when packed and an exciting team out there is by far the best atmosphere I've ever encountered, such a shame don't see that much anymore...
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Post by riverrat on Oct 5, 2017 15:52:04 GMT
I think Flyers should be a much bigger team than you are - the average crowd sizes at Flyers are probably 6th in the league behind Braehead Cardiff, Coventry, Nottingham and Sheffield. They finished 6th in the league last year.
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Post by timeclock on Oct 5, 2017 17:14:01 GMT
If Fife Flyers was not making money Tom Muir would sell it tomorrow.
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finchy
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Post by finchy on Oct 6, 2017 11:18:15 GMT
I think Flyers should be a much bigger team than you are - the average crowd sizes at Flyers are probably 6th in the league behind Braehead Cardiff, Coventry, Nottingham and Sheffield. They finished 6th in the league last year. Spudeelad also forgot Belfast so our crowds are probably actually 7th...
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Oct 6, 2017 14:23:11 GMT
They finished 6th in the league last year. Spudeelad also forgot Belfast so our crowds are probably actually 7th... And the way they are heading 8th or 9th by end of season
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spudeeelad
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Post by spudeeelad on Oct 9, 2017 14:50:31 GMT
"but from the impressions I consistently get on here" If this place is your only point of reference then it's no surprise you have developed that impression Yes and no. It has to be said that this forum isn't even bad compared to THF or on occasion, the Elite League Fan page thing on Facebook which has some right nonsense on it sometimes. Every forum and Facebook page has whingers and people with agendas/rose tinted specs, but I've been lurking on the forum (and the last one) long enough to know who to generally ignore and whose opinions can be interpreted as more balanced and reasoned. There isn't all that much difference between the opinions on a lot of things though, just some express it better than others i.e. some are basically like "the owners/Todd can get tae fluff cos they cannae run a drink up in a brewery" and don't present any real arguments as to why they think that. Then you have the doomsayers who are like "if we have one more c*** game/season the FIA will be as populated as a sleepover in Chernobyl" after almost every loss and it never happens. Then you have the odd few folk who can actually give a reasoned and balanced opinion. Some is based on watching Fife - don't get offended, but some of the Fife games against Storm have been some of the biggest snore fests I have ever seen. Obviously that doesn't give me anywhere near as much time watching Flyers as you lot, but having watched some of the games between our teams the last few seasons, at times I could barely recognise it as hockey and was looking forward to going home before the second period even ended because it was basically non-contact (with the notable exceptions of the Stewart-Didiomete stuff which is just about the only memorable things that I can recall from any of our games) and large chunks of time where both teams looked about as threatening as a cheese grater. Some is just my own opinion based on that really, based on what I see in like terms of marketing, it seems like Fife don't really do any because they've been around so long they know they're going get a couple thousand in regardless and are happy with that just ticking along. Every other team I see marketing for - it's relentless at Storm and even a little annoying. I even see wee Edinburgh trying new ways to get fans in but I don't recall ever seeing Fife push a big game for like 2 weeks and doing rallying cries to the masses and the like, if that makes sense? Some is just easy to work out. Why would the 7th best attended team in the league, which more than doubles the average crowds of some teams, not be making at least one massive marque signing every season that send a message to the league? No offence but never have I ever seen Fife make a signing that has made me go "oohhh, statement being made here" - know what I mean? Even MK and Guildford have already done this and they only just got here, but never Fife. Fife used to have unreal players like Steve Moria. In-fact, I bet every Fife fan on here can tell me 5 players who were absolutely amazing back in the day and had unreal CVs like Moria and a load of the usual bunch you all name, but really from the last 5 seasons, who is all that great? Where you think wow, that line or that player was unreal? Why no signings like Moria anymore? I get it's a different era etc, but your location hasn't changed, your rink hasn't changed so it's not either of those Fife remain the most predictable team season after season and I imagine for an opposition coach (well, maybe not if you ask Braehead atm haha) generally they think that too - you know the coach will be the same, because he never seems to get sacked despite never doing anything (btw, I wonder what objectives he's actually set at the start of the season. I think Fife should be at least attempting to win the CC or something or else it's failure for the season and coach is sacked) and because the coach stays the same, the tactics always seem to stay the same. Fife have always struck me as a team with Plan A and if that fails, more plan A followed by even more plan A and hence why I say that has resulted in some of the most boring games. As an owner, whilst stability is great, there is a difference between noticeable progress being made season upon season and just treading water. Fife strike me as a team that is just happy treading water - why else would the coach not have been sacked with no noticeable progress having been made in half a decade? No trophies, no noticeable increase in attendances, seemingly no long term plan etc. Put it this way, you may disagree with some of the above or all of it. But would you disagree that if at the start of the season you were to order who would finish where, personally, I would place Fife on my board first (except Edinburgh being bottom but that doesn't really count haha) because I can be pretty sure they're going to be where they always are. They're not going to be the dark horse that surprises everyone etc. Everyone else could move up or down up to 5 positions though. If you're honest, I don't think even you can see that with Fife?
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spudeeelad
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Post by spudeeelad on Oct 9, 2017 14:51:27 GMT
Spudeelad also forgot Belfast so our crowds are probably actually 7th... And the way they are heading 8th or 9th by end of season I didn't even see the post but it's wonderful that it's here as it demonstrates one of the points I made in my previous post exceptionally well haha.
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spudeeelad
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Post by spudeeelad on Oct 9, 2017 15:00:44 GMT
I think Flyers should be a much bigger team than you are - the average crowd sizes at Flyers are probably 6th in the league behind Braehead Cardiff, Coventry, Nottingham and Sheffield. They finished 6th in the league last year. Yeah but my point is that if you exclude the recent new arena, Cardiff have been up there challenging for titles for a good 4-5 years now and their attendances were far worse than Fifes at the old place and aren't really all that much higher than Fife's now and I imagine Cardiff's place costs a lot more in ice time, especially if Flyers share the same owner as the FIA. Also, given Cardiff have longer travel than you under the conference system, you should be right up there. Fife are the oldest team, so there if anything they should have more established commercial contacts than Cardiff for sponsorship and what not. Anyway, I don't think I really need to ramble because you probably get my drift
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