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Post by --G-- on Apr 14, 2022 10:54:40 GMT
For anyone with Facebook, you can see the video montage (and reaction) on the Fife Flyers Supporters Club page.
To anyone who doubts Todds commitment to this club, go watch that and tell me what other coaches in the league would have this level of passion for a team.
Regardless what you think of Todd, this is a hell of an achievement and I for one am glad he chose to stay at Fife.
Well done Todd!
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Post by flyer1990 on Apr 14, 2022 11:09:44 GMT
For anyone with Facebook, you can see the video montage (and reaction) on the Fife Flyers Supporters Club page. To anyone who doubts Todds commitment to this club, go watch that and tell me what other coaches in the league would have this level of passion for a team. Regardless what you think of Todd, this is a hell of an achievement and I for one am glad he chose to stay at Fife. Well done Todd! Absolutely this. Had a great chat with him and Hutchy last night. The plans they have for this organisation and where they want to take it is exciting. The issue with this club is the ownership more importantly Tam Muir. Just hope Todd and Jeff get to run it their way going forward. Well done to Todd on 25 years. |
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Post by thebluewellies on Apr 14, 2022 11:47:49 GMT
Loyalty and passion shouldn’t be confused with performance
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Post by stewartgibson on Apr 14, 2022 14:58:26 GMT
Loyalty and passion shouldn’t be confused with performance can only p*ss with the c*ck youve been given |
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Post by --G-- on Apr 14, 2022 16:54:11 GMT
Loyalty and passion shouldn’t be confused with performance True. His performance: (ignoring the first season in the league and the covid years) Final league standings from 2012-13 to 2018-19 in order: pos team GP W L OTL GF GA +/- TP P/PG Postseason7. Fife Flyers 52 23 - 27 - 2 154 176 -22 48 0.92 Quarterfinal loss 7. Fife Flyers 52 24 - 23 - 5 172 188 -16 53 1.02 Semifinal loss 8. Fife Flyers 52 22 - 27 - 3 170 180 -10 47 0.90 Quarterfinal loss 6. Fife Flyers 52 26 - 23 - 3 171 164 7 55 1.06 Semifinal loss 6. Fife Flyers 52 25 - 24 - 3 174 186 -12 53 1.02 Quarterfinal loss 7. Fife Flyers 56 33 - 21 - 2 218 172 46 68 1.21 Semifinal loss 6. Fife Flyers 60 30 - 24 - 6 188 204 -16 66 1.10 Quarterfinal loss Do you genuinely believe that a different coach would see the flyers do better? Money is the issue, and Todds record is pretty impressive for such a small market team. for comparison, here is Dundee - the closest team to our budget/location pos team GP W L OTL GF GA +/- TP P/PG Postseason 9. Dundee Stars 52 19 - 27 - 6 138 194 -56 44 0.85 Did not make playoffs 3. Dundee Stars 52 28 - 20 - 4 152 148 4 60 1.15 Quarterfinal loss 10. Dundee Stars 52 14 - 33 - 5 123 203 -80 33 0.63 Did not make playoffs 7. Dundee Stars 52 22 - 19 - 11 200 196 4 55 1.06 Quarterfinal loss 7. Dundee Stars 52 20 - 26 - 6 162 183 -21 46 0.88 Semifinal loss 10. Dundee Stars 56 22 - 30 - 4 167 233 -66 48 0.86 Did not make playoffs 10. Dundee Stars 60 23 - 25 - 12 169 201 -32 58 0.97 Did not make playoffs |
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Post by zamboni on Apr 14, 2022 22:17:08 GMT
Some impressive characters in this montage
Well done on 25 years
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Post by waterboy on Apr 15, 2022 12:08:20 GMT
Loyalty and passion shouldn’t be confused with performance True. His performance: (ignoring the first season in the league and the covid years) Final league standings from 2012-13 to 2018-19 in order: pos team GP W L OTL GF GA +/- TP P/PG Postseason7. Fife Flyers 52 23 - 27 - 2 154 176 -22 48 0.92 Quarterfinal loss 7. Fife Flyers 52 24 - 23 - 5 172 188 -16 53 1.02 Semifinal loss 8. Fife Flyers 52 22 - 27 - 3 170 180 -10 47 0.90 Quarterfinal loss 6. Fife Flyers 52 26 - 23 - 3 171 164 7 55 1.06 Semifinal loss 6. Fife Flyers 52 25 - 24 - 3 174 186 -12 53 1.02 Quarterfinal loss 7. Fife Flyers 56 33 - 21 - 2 218 172 46 68 1.21 Semifinal loss 6. Fife Flyers 60 30 - 24 - 6 188 204 -16 66 1.10 Quarterfinal loss Do you genuinely believe that a different coach would see the flyers do better? Money is the issue, and Todds record is pretty impressive for such a small market team. for comparison, here is Dundee - the closest team to our budget/location pos team GP W L OTL GF GA +/- TP P/PG Postseason 9. Dundee Stars 52 19 - 27 - 6 138 194 -56 44 0.85 Did not make playoffs 3. Dundee Stars 52 28 - 20 - 4 152 148 4 60 1.15 Quarterfinal loss 10. Dundee Stars 52 14 - 33 - 5 123 203 -80 33 0.63 Did not make playoffs 7. Dundee Stars 52 22 - 19 - 11 200 196 4 55 1.06 Quarterfinal loss 7. Dundee Stars 52 20 - 26 - 6 162 183 -21 46 0.88 Semifinal loss 10. Dundee Stars 56 22 - 30 - 4 167 233 -66 48 0.86 Did not make playoffs 10. Dundee Stars 60 23 - 25 - 12 169 201 -32 58 0.97 Did not make playoffs You can’t discount the first season as he and the owners by their own admission got it wrong. COVID shortened season last place and an awful team to watch this season exactly the same. That’s 3 seasons of last place hockey. Seasons with better more balanced recruiting Danny Stewart heavily involved. Dutes adversity to physical hockey and tough players has been on display for over a decade. His lack of understanding of the league his team are in over that time has been shocking. Money not the issue. Flyers pay imports well and treat them to a holiday camp with as much ice time as they want. Club lost players like Bloodoff and Dingle to Coventry because of how they operate. Something as head coach he has agreed with every single season. If he didn’t he wouldn’t be back. Brits- can of worms time. They joined the EIHL 11 years ago the lack of work done in that time with KIHC is shocking. Their director of player development has said he takes no part of any players other than those who play for the Flyers. Not a fan (obviously) of him as a coach/gm, really nice guy who will always be linked to this club but his coaching and building record here is awful. |
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Post by thebluewellies on Apr 15, 2022 12:25:33 GMT
And the 1000 - 1500 fans who no longer go to watch tells an unarguable story
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Post by boschman76 on Apr 15, 2022 14:28:37 GMT
Any coach worth his salt who wasn't happy with the behind the scenes management would have walked along time ago but not him because he knows he isn't good enough to get another head coaching role in this league so he has stayed put picking up easy money every month feathering his own nest with hard earned flyers fans money .he may go down as a flyers playing legend but as a coach he along with Muir will go down as the men who drove this once great team into a big black hole that they will never recover from and drove lifelong flyers fans away that they will never get back
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Post by --G-- on Apr 15, 2022 15:01:30 GMT
True. His performance: (ignoring the first season in the league and the covid years) Final league standings from 2012-13 to 2018-19 in order: pos team GP W L OTL GF GA +/- TP P/PG Postseason7. Fife Flyers 52 23 - 27 - 2 154 176 -22 48 0.92 Quarterfinal loss 7. Fife Flyers 52 24 - 23 - 5 172 188 -16 53 1.02 Semifinal loss 8. Fife Flyers 52 22 - 27 - 3 170 180 -10 47 0.90 Quarterfinal loss 6. Fife Flyers 52 26 - 23 - 3 171 164 7 55 1.06 Semifinal loss 6. Fife Flyers 52 25 - 24 - 3 174 186 -12 53 1.02 Quarterfinal loss 7. Fife Flyers 56 33 - 21 - 2 218 172 46 68 1.21 Semifinal loss 6. Fife Flyers 60 30 - 24 - 6 188 204 -16 66 1.10 Quarterfinal loss Do you genuinely believe that a different coach would see the flyers do better? Money is the issue, and Todds record is pretty impressive for such a small market team. for comparison, here is Dundee - the closest team to our budget/location pos team GP W L OTL GF GA +/- TP P/PG Postseason 9. Dundee Stars 52 19 - 27 - 6 138 194 -56 44 0.85 Did not make playoffs 3. Dundee Stars 52 28 - 20 - 4 152 148 4 60 1.15 Quarterfinal loss 10. Dundee Stars 52 14 - 33 - 5 123 203 -80 33 0.63 Did not make playoffs 7. Dundee Stars 52 22 - 19 - 11 200 196 4 55 1.06 Quarterfinal loss 7. Dundee Stars 52 20 - 26 - 6 162 183 -21 46 0.88 Semifinal loss 10. Dundee Stars 56 22 - 30 - 4 167 233 -66 48 0.86 Did not make playoffs 10. Dundee Stars 60 23 - 25 - 12 169 201 -32 58 0.97 Did not make playoffs You can’t discount the first season as he and the owners by their own admission got it wrong. COVID shortened season last place and an awful team to watch this season exactly the same. That’s 3 seasons of last place hockey. Seasons with better more balanced recruiting Danny Stewart heavily involved. Dutes adversity to physical hockey and tough players has been on display for over a decade. His lack of understanding of the league his team are in over that time has been shocking. Money not the issue. Flyers pay imports well and treat them to a holiday camp with as much ice time as they want. Club lost players like Bloodoff and Dingle to Coventry because of how they operate. Something as head coach he has agreed with every single season. If he didn’t he wouldn’t be back. Brits- can of worms time. They joined the EIHL 11 years ago the lack of work done in that time with KIHC is shocking. Their director of player development has said he takes no part of any players other than those who play for the Flyers. Not a fan (obviously) of him as a coach/gm, really nice guy who will always be linked to this club but his coaching and building record here is awful. Ok, fair - so included the 1st and last 2 seasons, flyers have made the playoffs 7 outta 9 times (not include the year with no playoffs, where you are totally right - we sucked anyways and wouldnt of made it). Dundee? 5 outta 9, Manchester? 2 outta 5, Glasgow 8 outta 9 and Edi 1 in 7. I guess as a record I think thats about where I expect flyers to be. We have also made the final four a bunch of times, winning really exciting 1/4 finals (manchester and the clan games esp) To truly expect Fife to compete for top of the league currently, is pie in the sky stuff. Money is without doubt an issue, you cannot argue otherwise. Even in the most basic metrics we are far behind alot of team - its a gate based sport, and we have a max of around 3,200. Steelers: 9,300 Belfast: 8,700 Panthers: 7,500. The smaller capacity english and welsh teams make up for this with significant financial backing. Something we do not have. I am not sure we loose players because of how the club treats its players, i think location and salary are relevant there too. But even if that was the case, its not all that common for us to lose players to other clubs year after year, is it? I do actually agree that a change in coaching is what we need, but thats not the same as saying Todd has been rubbish. I also dont think its fair to say his record is awful, given we make it to playoff hockey almost every year. He has built some very good teams and got burnt with injuries (sam jones and ian young spring to mind) as we dont spend the money on reserve imports like almost every other team in the league historically. Its also difficult to believe that a coach with his term of service in this league (possible the longest?) has no understand of what works. I agree on the point about Todd leaning away from the bigger players, I would like us to always carry a knuckle player or two. I think it is required in this league at the minute. And I could not agree with you more about the **** poor local dev. It has been awful for years and year, and even when we did dress players like Scoon, Anderson etc, they never got the ice time. Todd for sure has responsibility there. But what if its just a case of them not being good enough? What do you think is the goal the owners set for the flyers each year? Make the playoffs? Be the best team in Scotland? Win a cup? |
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Post by --G-- on Apr 15, 2022 15:05:45 GMT
Any coach worth his salt who wasn't happy with the behind the scenes management would have walked along time ago but not him because he knows he isn't good enough to get another head coaching role in this league so he has stayed put picking up easy money every month feathering his own nest with hard earned flyers fans money .he may go down as a flyers playing legend but as a coach he along with Muir will go down as the men who drove this once great team into a big black hole that they will never recover from and drove lifelong flyers fans away that they will never get back Thats pretty bleak man. I think the honest truth is the mgmt are happy with his record, and he is not looking to move away from fife to manage a team in the elite league. That's not to say I wouldn't welcome a new head coach. To be fair, anyone but Hutchy would be fine with me. A change, a chance to let someone else try spark some magic. It's been a long time since we had a team to be excited about. |
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Post by waterboy on Apr 15, 2022 15:49:57 GMT
You can’t discount the first season as he and the owners by their own admission got it wrong. COVID shortened season last place and an awful team to watch this season exactly the same. That’s 3 seasons of last place hockey. Seasons with better more balanced recruiting Danny Stewart heavily involved. Dutes adversity to physical hockey and tough players has been on display for over a decade. His lack of understanding of the league his team are in over that time has been shocking. Money not the issue. Flyers pay imports well and treat them to a holiday camp with as much ice time as they want. Club lost players like Bloodoff and Dingle to Coventry because of how they operate. Something as head coach he has agreed with every single season. If he didn’t he wouldn’t be back. Brits- can of worms time. They joined the EIHL 11 years ago the lack of work done in that time with KIHC is shocking. Their director of player development has said he takes no part of any players other than those who play for the Flyers. Not a fan (obviously) of him as a coach/gm, really nice guy who will always be linked to this club but his coaching and building record here is awful. Ok, fair - so included the 1st and last 2 seasons, flyers have made the playoffs 7 outta 9 times (not include the year with no playoffs, where you are totally right - we sucked anyways and wouldnt of made it). Dundee? 5 outta 9, Manchester? 2 outta 5, Glasgow 8 outta 9 and Edi 1 in 7. I guess as a record I think thats about where I expect flyers to be. We have also made the final four a bunch of times, winning really exciting 1/4 finals (manchester and the clan games esp) To truly expect Fife to compete for top of the league currently, is pie in the sky stuff. Money is without doubt an issue, you cannot argue otherwise. Even in the most basic metrics we are far behind alot of team - its a gate based sport, and we have a max of around 3,200. Steelers: 9,300 Belfast: 8,700 Panthers: 7,500. The smaller capacity english and welsh teams make up for this with significant financial backing. Something we do not have. I am not sure we loose players because of how the club treats its players, i think location and salary are relevant there too. But even if that was the case, its not all that common for us to lose players to other clubs year after year, is it? I do actually agree that a change in coaching is what we need, but thats not the same as saying Todd has been rubbish. I also dont think its fair to say his record is awful, given we make it to playoff hockey almost every year. He has built some very good teams and got burnt with injuries (sam jones and ian young spring to mind) as we dont spend the money on reserve imports like almost every other team in the league historically. Its also difficult to believe that a coach with his term of service in this league (possible the longest?) has no understand of what works. I agree on the point about Todd leaning away from the bigger players, I would like us to always carry a knuckle player or two. I think it is required in this league at the minute. And I could not agree with you more about the **** poor local dev. It has been awful for years and year, and even when we did dress players like Scoon, Anderson etc, they never got the ice time. Todd for sure has responsibility there. But what if its just a case of them not being good enough? What do you think is the goal the owners set for the flyers each year? Make the playoffs? Be the best team in Scotland? Win a cup? Maybe I didn’t explain my thinking well on loosing players. We lose them because we do nothing while other clubs are talking to them months before us. Guys can’t wait for Fife to do something. Pretty sure I remember Dingle saying that when he left. Crowds have been in decline since nicker left, another point was that he wasn’t expected to be in shape here but had to make changes to be ready for belfast. Speaks volumes on how Todd runs things. Fife can bring in big crowds only 3 teams would beat them if we max out ( might be four think clan have higher capacity) sponsorship for flyers it’s good let’s not pretend otherwise. Spare imports yup they had them most seasons. We have had good teams and for me it’s mostly Danny that did that. It’s well known he did most of the recruiting when he was here. The conference winning season they struck gold with guys like heelis mosey young. No knock from me a good team. Should have built on it and pushed on. The owners goal, make money. I honestly don’t see them with any goals if they did say top five get to a final. Todd would have been out years ago. |
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Post by coloradoflyer01 on Apr 15, 2022 18:43:42 GMT
Said for years tam muir doesn't care and it shows, we need new ownership of we can get that we can have a better chance of winning something. Well done Todd
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Post by swarfiga on Apr 15, 2022 20:16:01 GMT
Fair play to the guy, he is a nice genuine guy who loves the club, and he does want the best for it. He was a tremendous player in his day, and he does deserve recognition for his length of service. He does not deserve the abuse, but his coaching style and performance hasn’t been good enough for 3 seasons in a row now. And I would even argue that when we were finishing mid table we were still 1 or 2 changes away from being higher during those runs.
If tam and money is the issue then why do we have 2 full time coaches?
If tam and money are the issue why are they not doing more to put a team on the ice that will attract a crowd.
Todd’s recruitment since Danny left has been pretty brutal, his failure to recruit balanced teams year in year out can’t be questioned anymore.
The truth is none of us completely know who is really at fault.
Thanks for your commitment to the club but it’s time to move on.
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Post by joestoyanovich on Apr 16, 2022 14:29:44 GMT
First of all congratulations Todd on your long service with the club, few sportsmen these days will have such a long stay at one club.
Interesting stats posted earlier, looking through rose tinted glasses they don't appear too bad.
But for most Flyers fans our time in the EIHL has been bitterly disappointing and frustrating. Barring one or maybe two seasons where we done well it's been poor, poor player selection, poor uninspiring coaching and tactics, a culling of any home based player opportunity and a reluctance to make any changes when things are clearly not right. The times when we have had a good team to me anyway a result of blind luck rather than inspired player recruitment.
I'm sorry Jeff if your reading this and I'm coming across all negative but changes are needed to get this old proud club back to where it belongs not floundering around at the bottom of the league. Time to pass the reigns to someone new.
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