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Post by daviejojo on Jan 16, 2013 22:40:05 GMT
I normally come on with constructive posts I believe, but fed up being tactful now.
Driven 1,000 miles 7 times this year to come up to home games, once to Coventry, and both games to Cardiff, with the Nottingham game in a few weeks next.
I know it's not about money, and that's not my point, but seriously, why the **** should I bother when the owners couldn't care less.
Fed up with the broken record we hear every week.
"individual errors cost us a few goals" "Players not sticking to the system" "We've had a chat about what went wrong, we're not afraid to make changes"
If there are mistakes, bench them! If they aren't listening to the system bench them...or ship them out, and bring in replacement, it's not rocket science.
Murphy gets injured on Saturday, Zems phoned within a few hours, deal done. With the greatest of respect it would take us 2 weeks to even make a decision about is the player injured or not. It's a farce to be honest.
Without the backing of the owners, the comments we hear are nothing more than spin and waffle, and i've now had enough. The owners couldn't give a monkeys about competitive hockey I'm afraid, it's about sticking to their pig headed, outdated principles, and doing everything on the cheap. The £75 I spent getting to the game on Sunday was the final straw. We quite simply shouldn't be going to Belfast with a spattering of imports, and half a team of young British lads, some of whom will make EIHL, and half who wont.
It's time that Todd basically laid it on the line to Muir and Wishart. Either give me and Danny the tools to do the job, or take us back to the SNL and save us all the bother of getting agitated when things don't go well.
I don't for 1 second doubt the effort of the guys, that's not my issue, its the blindingly obvious mismanagement, the fleecing of the loyal fans that really winds me up. Every team is now up to full strength, with many carrying a spare, and we can barely put 2 decent lines out.
Lessons learned........YES, I have learned mine!
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Post by ronniemac on Jan 16, 2013 23:12:34 GMT
Looks like the last minute / play a couple of months bargain is going to remain ...................... awol.
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Post by ckbell63 on Jan 16, 2013 23:50:51 GMT
I think we were all feeling the same or worse last season. To be honest lessons have not been learned. In two weeks after the Hull games we may be bottom. If we are then I'm afraid, despite having better imports than last season we will be even more disappointed. The team needs in my opinion two imports. This would allow Todd or Danny to bench coach. One to play centre on the third line and one to play 3rd line defence. I doubt Dundee's imports are expensive. Two young guys who are hungry to make a go at playing over here. The boost will see a few more through the door. However we are wasting our time. Our best imports won'tbe back as they are winners and will not understand our owners way of working. Over to you our owners to prove us all wrong.
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Post by neebur on Jan 17, 2013 0:02:36 GMT
Owners don't care? How bout next time Davie you go have a chat with them - put your points to them one by one and then listen to what they have to say?
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Post by daviejojo on Jan 17, 2013 0:33:37 GMT
Owners don't care? How bout next time Davie you go have a chat with them - put your points to them one by one and then listen to what they have to say? Already done it, both written and verbal :-) Some questions answered, others not, i have my opinions on if I think I was taken seriously or not, but I'll keep them to myself :-). Maybe not care is the wrong phrase, but they certainly seem to think their way is right, despite the other 9 clubs disagreeing. At the end of the day, they either want in or not, no point doing it half hearted. The only change we've made was bringing in Bobby, and that was only because it was easy with minimum effort. Don't get me wrong, I really like Bobby, he's defo improved the team, but I doubt we'd have him if he hadn't been released by Clan. Flyers have the potential to be top 5, and are a gold mine waiting to be mined. We just lack the direction, leadership and vision to make it happen as far as I can see.
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Post by flyer007 on Jan 17, 2013 0:58:04 GMT
I posted this on another thread a few days ago to be a success this is how we need to proceed in my opinion:
There are vast changes required if we are going to fulfil our true potential in this elite league. We will make the playoffs I am sure of it but next weekend is a huge weekend in terms of whether we will finish 6th, 7th or 8th. It is an 8 point swing against Dundee and we need to take the 2 games in 60 minutes to really put ourselves back in the mix.
You can play with 10 imports not 9 but 10 definitely. Even next year I would start at 10 but what we really need to do is change our recruitment process and build a team round the british guys. For instance, we have JD playing with Dutes and Stewie who lack creativity so we don't get the best out of him. Hamish is playing with Gunny and Torch so we don't get the best out of him and then we have a 3rd D line which is two guys who are 2nd year pros if you think they have the potential they need to play with imports.
I think the best option for a club like ourselves is to bring in another quality Brit like Walker or McKenzie and a more experienced Brit D man like Forsyth with 10 imps. Instantly our team becomes better and if we suffer injuries or feel we need another import you can pick one up just like we did with Chaumont. If we do that we will produce a quality team who can compete with Coventry, Cardiff etc.
For a start I would look at Hainesy and Pitts. Who can I get in during the offseason to play line 1 with them. Well he should be RH, a strong skater, a guy who can put the puck in the net and because of the way Fife hockey is a 2 way player who can play alot of minutes.
Then you look at line 2 our British guy on that line is JD so who would he work with. Well we need a natural centreman to play alongside JD, a creative player again who can play 2 way and then on the other wing again a more physical guy who can win pucks down low and create space for JD and the centre.
Then you look at line 3. You have Stewie and Hamish so alongside them you need a strong skater, who can play well defensively and also help the third line chip in with some offence. Someone like Harper (Dundee), Walker (Clan) or McKenzie (Phoenix) could do that role.
By recruiting a team around the british guys you will have a more balanced outfit with superior secondary scoring. Our problem currently is that the lines don't balance as I said Stewie is a 3rd liner and Dutes goes missing in high tempo games as his legs just aren't there anymore, he doesn't get many shots off in a game because his skating doesn't allow him to get that extra space to get the shot away.
Then defensively you look at the guys we have. Horne (experience British D man) and there is no reason why we could not attract Craig Mitchell and Forsyth. Then you look at how they fit together. 1 line can be import based, then put Craig with an import and Horne with Forsyth. That way you have an experienced British D line and not a line with 2nd year pros who are not going to really make it at this level.
I am fed up seeing our 3rd line full of Brits because we have not thought about the recruitment of players correctly it is not going to bring them on in the long run. The individuals we have are good but we have 5 top 6 forwards we just don't have a 6th which is why our secondary scoring is dire.
That is my view and I am saddened that already I am looking into next season as I did this time last season hoping I would see these changes implemented. Truth is without changing the owners way of thinking and Todd's on-ice involvement we will never see us live up to our true potential.
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Post by daviejojo on Jan 17, 2013 1:16:17 GMT
It was a top post then, and still is now :-)
The mentality has to change alas
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Post by flyer007 on Jan 17, 2013 8:27:25 GMT
I would like to see us becoming the Everton of this league always up there challenging the bigger budget team on a considerably lower budget and the funny thing is you can draw parallels from the way they approach things. First of all they recruit a team based amongst mainly young British players who they have brought through, coupled with 1 or 2 experienced Brits.
That is the angle we have to go down. I would like to see a GM at this club as apart from putting money into the club the owners don't seem to do a whole lot on match nights or on the player recruitment side. Todd could fulfil that role next season and along with Danny recruit a team (Brits first as they are a smaller commodity and then find imports to bring the best out of those guys and add balance to the team)
In the offseason you can find any type of import which is why it is so important you build from your Brit pack, it is the way every Erhardt team league constructs their roster. Look at Belfast for me the perfect example:
Scoring 1: Peacock Scoring 2 Shields Checking 1: Garside
That is your template then into the checking line you add Keefe and Lloyd to bring out the best in Garside and then they just put their 4 skill forwards around their two brits. Perfect recruitment strategy.
Until we recruit properly we will never compete.
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Post by sparkymark75 on Jan 17, 2013 10:13:50 GMT
I often wonder if our poor road form is down to our rink being so different from others?
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Post by daviejojo on Jan 17, 2013 10:38:38 GMT
Rink is maybe part of it, but there is also the issue of us not always taking a full squad away from home. We have guys working who can't always commit, and as we run a short bench, we're always chasing our tails.
The games I have seen at Cardiff this year, I actually think we've adjusted to a much smaller Ice pad not too badly. It just a lack of cutting edge, and when they play on the small surface, the guys are constantly looking for way too much time on the puck, which they just won't get.
Maybe they should start doing training like the old skating sessions. Full Ice and End Ice lol
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Post by domi28 on Jan 17, 2013 11:20:02 GMT
How can the rink be part of it. Other teams can come to fife & win.
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Post by sparkymark75 on Jan 17, 2013 11:37:45 GMT
It was Dundee that pushed for the 11 imports for this season. Their mentality was obviously to get a goalie and 2 lines of imports. Then have a third Brit line as a checking line.
They've offloaded their most expensive Brit to us, they obviously felt they could use the money to get an import. They have went with 10 imports from day 1 and 11 from a few weeks later. They have been lucky with injuries but they have had the import depth (not necessarily the scoring depth) from the go.
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Post by sparkymark75 on Jan 17, 2013 11:38:49 GMT
How can the rink be part of it. Other teams can come to fife & win. Other teams come here and scrape a win if they are mid table or beat us by 3 or 4 goals. However, we go their rinks and get blown away either in possession terms, score terms or both.
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Post by flyersfaninfife on Jan 17, 2013 11:41:52 GMT
How can the rink be part of it. Other teams can come to fife & win. Yeah and that's why we have a shocking home record?
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Post by coloradoflyer on Jan 17, 2013 12:27:47 GMT
i think our home record is aw righjt this year , 12 wins 6 loses.
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