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Post by Marky on Jul 8, 2024 10:24:35 GMT
Partly disagree with you here Stewart, Tom has already stated he thought a Brit was ready to sign for Fife, but chose to go elsewhere, was that O'Connor perhaps?
I don't think we've not went after a Brit this off-season, but getting one to come to Fife is the problem. Tom has tried to get a decent one to sign on.
Old regime and perhaps lack of wages play a part in saying no to Fife?
If we can carry 17 imports, then we defo can afford a top-level Brit.
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Post by newyorkflyer on Jul 8, 2024 11:14:43 GMT
Partly disagree with you here Stewart, Tom has already stated he thought a Brit was ready to sign for Fife, but chose to go elsewhere, was that O'Connor perhaps? I don't think we've not went after a Brit this off-season, but getting one to come to Fife is the problem. Tom has tried to get a decent one to sign on. Old regime and perhaps lack of wages play a part in saying no to Fife? If we can carry 17 imports, then we defo can afford a top-level Brit. It was Davie Phillips and Todd put the blockers on it to expensive being the reason.
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Post by zamboni on Jul 8, 2024 12:35:39 GMT
I would ok with Poteau coming back Does anybody think Emmerdahl will Be back? Still think we will sign brits but at moment were a 3 line hockey club The only one The big teams know they will wear us down We will be competing for 6th to 10th place with no depth
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Post by flyer007 on Jul 8, 2024 13:50:37 GMT
Partly disagree with you here Stewart, Tom has already stated he thought a Brit was ready to sign for Fife, but chose to go elsewhere, was that O'Connor perhaps? I don't think we've not went after a Brit this off-season, but getting one to come to Fife is the problem. Tom has tried to get a decent one to sign on. Old regime and perhaps lack of wages play a part in saying no to Fife? If we can carry 17 imports, then we defo can afford a top-level Brit. It was Davie Phillips and Todd put the blockers on it to expensive being the reason. It depends what the wage demands were. Davie is not a young guy and would have been simply an Elastoplast on the situation. We’re in this position because of years of neglect. When Edinburgh collapsed we should have been in for Plews who has forged a good career down in Swindon and losing Reece is equally shocking. Caly Robertson is also now starting to do well down in the NIHL. Investment in these sort of players would have paid tenfold. I would like to see us use Spence this year as I do think he has some potential. Yes the league has moved on but we managed to get to a position through playing Brits where the likes of Wando, Tommy Muir etc were able to play 5-10 mins a night. The neglect and short sightedness shown by previous management has left us in the hole. We need to start playing Brodie and Spence regular minutes at the start of the season to give them an opportunity. Dundee manage to bring through Brits that eat clock for them like Garrigan, Inglis, McBean (looks a player) so no reason we cannot take a similar approach.
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Post by thebluewellies on Jul 8, 2024 15:45:00 GMT
We need much better than poteau, he tried but was nowhere near elite standard. I still believe Emmerdahl is returning but likewise I don’t think he is anywhere near the standard we should be expecting.
As far as Brits go, I know it’s controversial but I think there league should be raising the import numbers allowed and if that means running without Brits then so be it. Unless you are an exceptional British talent then the elite league isn’t for them. Fans pay a lot of money to watch elite hockey and it should be the best team that they watch and if that’s at the expense of Brits then so be it.
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Post by flyer007 on Jul 8, 2024 16:46:25 GMT
We need much better than poteau, he tried but was nowhere near elite standard. I still believe Emmerdahl is returning but likewise I don’t think he is anywhere near the standard we should be expecting. As far as Brits go, I know it’s controversial but I think there league should be raising the import numbers allowed and if that means running without Brits then so be it. Unless you are an exceptional British talent then the elite league isn’t for them. Fans pay a lot of money to watch elite hockey and it should be the best team that they watch and if that’s at the expense of Brits then so be it. Moving towards an all import league would be the end for British ice hockey. There is already zero funding for the sport and the only way that is ever going to improve is if we achieve at the international level which means getting to the Olympics. For that to happen we need Brits playing professionally at the elite league level or above. The problem is we have talented British players such as Kieran Brown opting to play down at the NIHL level. Where are the next Matthew Myers, the next Davie Phillips, the next Robert Dowds. The focus needs to be on the development of British players at the elite level, for me there should be at least 3 under 25 British players on the roster. The elite league is more than comparable in standard to the Danish league and the Norwegian league yet look at the international standard of player in these countries it is a mile ahead of ours.
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Post by stewartgibson on Jul 8, 2024 19:59:12 GMT
It 100% all comes down to money and i get that, however it seems to be a Fife Flyers issue only. Id understand it if we were getting a really high standard of import and spending all the budget there but CV wise we’re still on the lower end of the scale within the league. Now the flyers community is pretty small and people talk and some of the figures branded about that Brits have been offered, its no surprise we struggle to bring any in. I dont even think the fans demand the O’connors/Dowds of the league, personally id be happy with the Moores/Kellys of the league. On the contrary I really don’t understand the argument of Brits leaving the fife setup and going on to be massive successes. I’ve said it before but I’ll reiterate it, name me one Brit that’s left the Fife junior setup and is now playing in the elite league. Yet Dutes and Hutchy seem to get lambasted for it, but it’s apparent maybe the quality just wasnt there given the level the ones listed are all currently playing at? Could Dutes and Hutchy have done more? Maybe but it all comes down to location and money. None of these local boys are going to get better playing SNL level, the next step where they have a better chance of progressing is nihl but logistically fife cant do two ways, it’s impossible. Just in regards to this season, i cant honestly comprehend how the ownership group haven’t went out and really backed Coolen with capable British players given his comments regarding depth being the key issue. Reading up on Coolen and his departures from European clubs, it doesnt seem like he’s keen on hanging around if things arent right, and this is a situation that isnt right and puts us heavy behind right from the off. Said it in a previous post but having an 18 year old kid as the only Brit signed in mid July is criminal, no other team in the league is facing these issues so why is Fife different? I dont quite agree with the way brits have been treated argument either. For me it’s always been straight forward, if you have the ability youll play and weve seen that in Brits like Moore, Peacock, Jones, Mckenzie, Cochrane, Marr, Dolan. The argument regarding boys like Muir, Wands, Gunn, etc getting ice is irrelevant, the import number was substantially lower when those boys were here so were forced to play or we’d have been a 1 and a half line hockey team. The Brit situation has really bugged me this year as you can probably tell but this isnt a new issue🤣
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Post by zamboni on Jul 8, 2024 20:53:20 GMT
It was Davie Phillips and Todd put the blockers on it to expensive being the reason. It depends what the wage demands were. Davie is not a young guy and would have been simply an Elastoplast on the situation. We’re in this position because of years of neglect. When Edinburgh collapsed we should have been in for Plews who has forged a good career down in Swindon and losing Reece is equally shocking. Caly Robertson is also now starting to do well down in the NIHL. Investment in these sort of players would have paid tenfold. I would like to see us use Spence this year as I do think he has some potential. Yes the league has moved on but we managed to get to a position through playing Brits where the likes of Wando, Tommy Muir etc were able to play 5-10 mins a night. The neglect and short sightedness shown by previous management has left us in the hole. We need to start playing Brodie and Spence regular minutes at the start of the season to give them an opportunity. Dundee manage to bring through Brits that eat clock for them like Garrigan, Inglis, McBean (looks a player) so no reason we cannot take a similar approach. Spence has not been declared yet He might not be signing
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Post by kestrelsfan on Jul 8, 2024 23:09:21 GMT
It depends what the wage demands were. Davie is not a young guy and would have been simply an Elastoplast on the situation. We’re in this position because of years of neglect. When Edinburgh collapsed we should have been in for Plews who has forged a good career down in Swindon and losing Reece is equally shocking. Caly Robertson is also now starting to do well down in the NIHL. Investment in these sort of players would have paid tenfold. I would like to see us use Spence this year as I do think he has some potential. Yes the league has moved on but we managed to get to a position through playing Brits where the likes of Wando, Tommy Muir etc were able to play 5-10 mins a night. The neglect and short sightedness shown by previous management has left us in the hole. We need to start playing Brodie and Spence regular minutes at the start of the season to give them an opportunity. Dundee manage to bring through Brits that eat clock for them like Garrigan, Inglis, McBean (looks a player) so no reason we cannot take a similar approach. Spence has not been declared yet He might not be signing James Spence has a real job I believe. Apprentice something or another. Good for him. I'm told he didn't train with Flyers last season as they train during the day?
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Post by newyorkflyer on Jul 9, 2024 6:04:41 GMT
Spence has not been declared yet He might not be signing James Spence has a real job I believe. Apprentice something or another. Good for him. I'm told he didn't train with Flyers last season as they train during the day? That’s another reason they struggle with Brits. They train at 12ish during the day and Brits are required to attend minimum 1 session. How when most guys have to have full time jobs to pay bills can they attend a training sesh in the middle of the day. It’s a vicious circle that won’t stop.
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Post by stewartgibson on Jul 9, 2024 16:19:58 GMT
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Post by CraggyP on Jul 9, 2024 16:43:30 GMT
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Post by zamboni on Jul 9, 2024 16:45:19 GMT
Teams going to be all about speed and skill this season coming Looks like no Captain returning
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Post by canna on Jul 9, 2024 16:53:15 GMT
Well he is following the Flyers on twitter so it really could be.
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Post by watcher on Jul 9, 2024 17:13:06 GMT
Well folks on here are always moaning g that we need more heidt in defense!
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