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Post by joestoyanovich on Jan 24, 2013 11:27:49 GMT
Referee's in any sport have the hardest job going, perhaps even more so in ice hockey due to the speed of the play. Its easy to rag the ref from the stands and moan about them on forums but you have to remember that we do this from a completely biased point of view. Our loyalties are pinned to one side, we do not see things from a neutral perspective. A hit delivered by a Flyers player is greeted with huge applause, a hit on a Flyers player calls for a penalty. Every offside given against the Flyers was never offside, every offside given against our opposition was definetly correct. You know what I mean. Unless a referee is completely biased, and there is no evidence that I have seen that this is the case, we just have to let them get on with it. Fans berating refereeing performances has been going on for decades Reilly, McWilliams, Hanson etc etc. If anyone fancies their job step forward I'm sure there are plenty vacancies. Just remember that no matter what decision you make somebodies gonna think it was c***. As for players potentially getting killed because of poor refereeing, come on davejojo your cleverer than that ! I seriously don't think you give a lot of fans credit by posting this, well, nonsense. Not all fans wear rose tinted specs, I stand and think at times, how the hell was that not called offside. Or what a great hit by them, blah blah you get my point, I just want to see fair consistent refs, we don't get that, and players ARE getting hurt because of this and players and coaches are getting fines and bans cos of them now also, now when players coaches and fans from both sides, in the same game are shouting it from the rooftops, you know something is seriously wrong Not nonsense Mr Goaile but an honest opinion, and if you think that Flyers fans aren't biased you must be wearing black out glasses and ear muffs when at matches. I still don't agree that referees are causing injuries. When a player mashes another player how is it the refs fault ? Consistency in refereeing is the Holy Grail and to be honest we are never really going to achieve this. You only need to watch Match of the Day on BBC on Saturday night to hear Lineker and Hansen bleating on about the same thing, and this is about refs from about the richest league in the world. If they cant achieve this how are we. |
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Post by Dirkster23 on Jan 24, 2013 11:58:13 GMT
I seriously don't think you give a lot of fans credit by posting this, well, nonsense. Not all fans wear rose tinted specs, I stand and think at times, how the hell was that not called offside. Or what a great hit by them, blah blah you get my point, I just want to see fair consistent refs, we don't get that, and players ARE getting hurt because of this and players and coaches are getting fines and bans cos of them now also, now when players coaches and fans from both sides, in the same game are shouting it from the rooftops, you know something is seriously wrong I still don't agree that referees are causing injuries. When a player mashes another player how is it the refs fault ? Your right, It's not the ref that's making the hit, but I'd argue he's just as liable if the hit comes as a result of him not controlling the game and letting dangerous plays go unpunished. |
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Post by joestoyanovich on Jan 24, 2013 12:27:22 GMT
Mmmmmmm referee misses call, player takes law into own hands and takes out retribution on opposition.
Where does the liability lie, surely its with the player ?
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spudeeelad
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Post by spudeeelad on Jan 24, 2013 12:42:54 GMT
The worst and most frustrating thing for me is when you see something blatent, like a cross check in front of goal, the victim turns around like  ref! do something! and nothing gets called. So they victim then becomes the offender and cross-checks the orginal offending player back, but this time the ref is watching because he'd just shouted to the ref and got his attention, thus the ref then calls against the original victim. |
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Post by Dirkster23 on Jan 24, 2013 12:55:02 GMT
Mmmmmmm referee misses call, player takes law into own hands and takes out retribution on opposition. Where does the liability lie, surely its with the player ? I'm not talking about a Ref missing one call though, I'm on about when a ref goes through a game letting late hits and stick work go. If he doesn't make the calls he sets the tone for the game. If that's how he lets the game go, the chances are someone will get hurt. I'm not saying it's all the Ref's fault, but they can influence how a game is played. |
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Jan 24, 2013 13:47:03 GMT
I just hate the inconsistency of the refs, Cowan goes the whole third period an most of ot last Sunday with no calls despite blatant offences on both sides, then calls a penalty on Danny Stewart with a minute to go in overtime, why call that when he had ignored everthing before !!!! No wonder players get frustrated, it is like he decided to give stars a hand as they were never gonna win till then. Rather than talk to players and use communication the refs just take the easy arrogant option of the misconducts to escape from the players frustrations at their poor calls. We now have refs who can't speak to players or control the game as they are fast losing respect from fans and players alike.
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Post by jaf541 on Jan 24, 2013 14:31:21 GMT
Why doesnt the EIHL get import refs with more experience than the brits, this might allow for a summer Refs camp?
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Post by coloradoflyer on Jan 24, 2013 14:32:03 GMT
it's all about money jaf plain and simple
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Post by jm716 on Jan 24, 2013 15:26:41 GMT
Interesting debate which is cropping up a lot at the moment on other forums. I think we all agree the refs have a difficult job but the complete lack of consistancy is so frustrating. The reason the league doesn't give the ref's training is money, there are three teams who collectively could chip in and get them training without losing too much money where as the others can't afford it.
An earlier poster mentioned about retaliations being called but not the first offending incident, thats the way the refs work here, every player in the league should know that the retaliation gets called and shouldn't react.
jaf last season or 2 seasons ago they got the refs from the Dutch leagues over to ref a few games if I remember correctly, they were the same, too inconsistant.
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Post by captainsensible on Jan 24, 2013 15:57:37 GMT
The worst and most frustrating thing for me is when you see something blatent, like a cross check in front of goal, the victim turns around like ref! do something! and nothing gets called. So they victim then becomes the offender and cross-checks the orginal offending player back, but this time the ref is watching because he'd just shouted to the ref and got his attention, thus the ref then calls against the original victim. Thats not the Ref's fault though is it? Surely thats down to the players being dumb. Its like a housebreaker wearing a mask and carrying a bag with "Swag" written all over it, If your going to break a law, be that a game one or the law of the land its kind of dumb to bring it to the attention of the people who enforce that law before or as you commit it  |
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Post by ronniemac on Jan 24, 2013 16:48:24 GMT
Correct, the onus is on the player, they do the crime, a referee has never x/checked a player yet BUT what i'm seeing is a lot of inconsistancy whether its a major /minor penalty, offside, or icing its all across the board.
When it comes to a 10 minute mis-conduct penalty i see 2 things, a player who is venting his spleen quite viciously and a referee who has lost the plot and angrily retaliates in the easiest way he can, at least the king of the 2 x 10mins penalties has hung up his skates but that was always against an import who he expertly goaded into taking the second one...no prizes for guessing who that was.
It is a much harder job than fans realise refereeing a hockey game and i think your own personallity has a big influence on how you go about it but in the stands we do not see the game at the same speed nor have the obstructions you do on the ice during a game, you have to hone your skills over a number of years and people will still have a go, its bad if you get it from both sets of fans though.
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Post by nobabody on Jan 24, 2013 18:40:10 GMT
Correct, the onus is on the player, they do the crime, a referee has never x/checked a player yet BUT what i'm seeing is a lot of inconsistancy whether its a major /minor penalty, offside, or icing its all across the board. When it comes to a 10 minute mis-conduct penalty i see 2 things, a player who is venting his spleen quite viciously and a referee who has lost the plot and angrily retaliates in the easiest way he can, at least the king of the 2 x 10mins penalties has hung up his skates but that was always against an import who he expertly goaded into taking the second one...no prizes for guessing who that was. It is a much harder job than fans realise refereeing a hockey game and i think your own personallity has a big influence on how you go about it but in the stands we do not see the game at the same speed nor have the obstructions you do on the ice during a game, you have to hone your skills over a number of years and people will still have a go, its bad if you get it from both sets of fans though. yeah it's widely recognised that emotional state effects your decision making and vice versa, but Ronnie, the only time i see the game at a different speed is on slow-mo replay or when i'm in the Matrix   |
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ref! do something! and nothing gets called. So they victim then becomes the offender and cross-checks the orginal offending player back, but this time the ref is watching because he'd just shouted to the ref and got his attention, thus the ref then calls against the original victim.
