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Jan 28, 2013 13:21:13 GMT
Post by sparkymark75 on Jan 28, 2013 13:21:13 GMT
Some lunchtime numbers ;D
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Against all teams: Played 20, won 14 (70%) Against Gardiner teams: Played 13, won 9 (69%)
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Against all teams: Played 20, won 4 (20%) Against Gardiner teams: Played 12, won 4 (33%)
So all 4 of our away wins have come against Gardiner conference teams. Pretty poor away record.
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Jan 28, 2013 13:43:57 GMT
Post by stirlingflyer on Jan 28, 2013 13:43:57 GMT
As far as I am aware, we've still to win outside of Scotland since we joined the Elite League. Saturday's game at Hull was a good chance to put that right.
The Caps have won in Sheffield, Nottingham and Cardiff this season. Dundee have won in Belfast. I believe we're a better team, certainly better than the Caps anyway. I don't know why we struggle so badly the further we travel, even taking into account import numbers.
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Jan 28, 2013 13:56:55 GMT
Post by sparkymark75 on Jan 28, 2013 13:56:55 GMT
As far as I am aware, we've still to win outside of Scotland since we joined the Elite League. Saturday's game at Hull was a good chance to put that right. The Caps have won in Sheffield, Nottingham and Cardiff this season. Dundee have won in Belfast. I believe we're a better team, certainly better than the Caps anyway. I don't know why we struggle so badly the further we travel, even taking into account import numbers. It must surely come down to the systems/tactics we employ on the road?
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ronniemac
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Jan 28, 2013 14:04:11 GMT
Post by ronniemac on Jan 28, 2013 14:04:11 GMT
Change of coach seems to have done the trick at Braehead and they are short-handed too, perhaps knowledge of more modern systems is an advantage.
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Jan 28, 2013 14:39:30 GMT
Post by spudeeelad on Jan 28, 2013 14:39:30 GMT
Change of coach seems to have done the trick at Braehead and they are short-handed too, perhaps knowledge of more modern systems is an advantage. Or is it that players are now really beginning to fear for their jobs given how many have been gassed in recent months?
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Jan 28, 2013 14:40:47 GMT
Post by spudeeelad on Jan 28, 2013 14:40:47 GMT
Some lunchtime numbers ;D HomeAgainst all teams: Played 20, won 14 (70%) Against Gardiner teams: Played 13, won 9 (69%) AwayAgainst all teams: Played 20, won 4 (20%) Against Gardiner teams: Played 12, won 4 (33%) So all 4 of our away wins have come against Gardiner conference teams. Pretty poor away record. Never read too much into away form when my team were in EIHL. Always preferred a 'start with winning the home games, then build from there' mentality. As long as you're winning the majority of home games, I wouldn't be all that concerned.
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Jan 28, 2013 15:17:29 GMT
Post by jonathan on Jan 28, 2013 15:17:29 GMT
Change of coach seems to have done the trick at Braehead and they are short-handed too, perhaps knowledge of more modern systems is an advantage. Are you suggesting the Flyers use Moffat & Williamson or Rennies for away games? Would it make a big difference?
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Jan 28, 2013 15:55:01 GMT
Post by jaf541 on Jan 28, 2013 15:55:01 GMT
It might help a bit if they could get the guys to away venues earlier and let them rest from the journey instead of being thrown in the deep end alla t once, give them a couple of hours to relax before warm ups
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Jan 28, 2013 16:28:48 GMT
Post by coloradoflyer on Jan 28, 2013 16:28:48 GMT
sounds like a good idea jaf , may be a bit more relaxing before getting in the room and getting kitted for warm up and may be that gets them more ready for game time
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Jan 28, 2013 16:40:46 GMT
Post by beanster on Jan 28, 2013 16:40:46 GMT
Nottingham & Sheffield have been travelling up to Scotland the day before their games so not having bus legs. Also - how many times do we have away double headers - Just about all the arena teams come up and have a 2 game weekend in Scotland. We usually have travelled further that day for Sunday night games.
The example I will give is that we play Nottingham or Sheffield on a Sunday night - We had been in Coventry the night before and Sheffield had been at either Braehead or Dundee.
Either that or our Sunday away games always have bus journey & last nights game in our legs.
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Jan 28, 2013 16:58:45 GMT
Post by harlan on Jan 28, 2013 16:58:45 GMT
Certainly for the longer journeys down south it is patently obvious that we get of to slow starts and conceed early goals and then find ourselves chasing games even though for the majority of those games we are matching the opposition playing wise and skill wise.
Now whether that is down to "bus legs", the lack of home comforts, is it a tactical thing as we won;t clog the neutral zone and play that defensive as we have seen from Clan, Capitals and Stars at Kirkcaldy but try to win the game or the fact that we are unable to get the match up of lines that we want because we have second change, as has happened in Braehead, is all a matter of conjecture but having seen the Flyers down south a number of times over the last two seasons it is obvious to me that getting to away matches as late as we can does have an effect on the outcome of some matches. The first games in Coventry and Hull and our game in Sheffield from this season were alll games we could have got something out of but we were chasing those games for the majority by giving up fairly early leads and that takes more out of you on the road than protecting a lead.
We have three journeys down south left this season and I would like to see the team leave earlier, particularly for our remaining game in Hull, just to give us time to get better prepared and not continually chase games that we believe we can get something from.
There will be those that will continue to bleat about us not having the numbers palying wise. Absolute rubbish. We have got to where we are in the league by playing with 9 imports and beating every other team with that and have shown we can compete on the road with that as well and for me its more of a mental thing to get points down south and in Belfast than a physical numbers thing
We know we can beat every other team in this league, with the exception of Nottingham so far, and that for me has been the frustrating aspect that we haven't been able to match our home form and translate it into a road game but it has probably been even more frustrating for Todd and Danny to have not found the home formula to take to road games, especially those road games down south
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